Former State Rep Rashida Tlaib Removed by Police at Trump Cobo Event

[belleislerunner]

Thought it was interesting that a previously elected official, Rashida Tlaib, was one of the protesters who were evicted from Cobo earlier this week after shouting and interrupting a presidential nominee speech.

If only I could say I was proud of who represents us in Detroit.

Why do we always get stuck with the "leaders" who lack class?

As a citizen of Detroit I find her behavior offensive and embarrassing.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...tors/88526292/

Like they teach you in elementary school - I may not always agree with what you say - but I will defend to my death your right to say it. Voltaire.

Seems not everyone is interesting in defending the right for people to have free speech.

[southen]

She was the first Muslim to represent people in Michigan and has a very legitimate beef with the rhetoric of Donald Trump towards many different groups of people, including hers. She has a right to free speech and was removed from the event which was the right of the people putting the event on.

She represented her district well and would have easily been re-elected had it not been for term limits. Saying she lacks class while defending Trump is absolutely hilarious. I for one am glad that she is still active in support of her causes and didn't just disappear into the private sector.

It is also funny how you mention elementary school, cause that is exactly how Trump acts at the slightest provocation.

[Johnnny5]

She was the first Muslim to represent people in Michigan and has a very legitimate beef with the rhetoric of Donald Trump towards many different groups of people, including hers. She has a right to free speech and was removed from the event which was the right of the people putting the event on.

Would you feel the same way if pro-life or pro 2nd Amendment protestors continuously interrupted Clinton's speeches?

[southen]

Would you feel the same way if pro-life or pro 2nd Amendment protestors continuously interrupted Clinton's speeches?

It might make sense if Clinton was saying inflammatory things on a daily basis about either group. I love when people try to make an apples to apples comparison between Hillary and Donald, 99% of the time it doesn't fit because although you may not like her, she isn't out there stoking fear about groups of people.

Then again if Clinton was saying as much stupid crap as Trump I would have enough sense to drop the candidate and stop trying to defend them constantly.

[dtowncitylover]

Would you feel the same way if pro-life or pro 2nd Amendment protestors continuously interrupted Clinton's speeches?

Clinton didn't propose blocking pro-life or "pro-2nd amendment" people [[whatever that means) from coming into the United States.

Rashida Tlaib, IMO, has been a great voice for her community from what I've seen. Good on her!

But yes I would feel the same way. Taking protesters out of a rally is nothing new. It only changed with Trump when he nearly wanted violence against them.

[Johnnny5]

Sorry, but it's only different because you disagree with Trump politically. If former Republican reps were doing the same at a Hillary Clinton rally this thread would be 10 straight pages of condemnation.

[belleislerunner]

The point isn't whether one agrees with Trump or not - I voted for Kerry and I voted for Obama. My point is you have to respect the office of the presidency, even if you don't respect the person who holds that office.

Her actions were a clear indication she lacks the maturity needed to effectively represent me. And as a DEC member that's the issue.

How would she feel if a bunch of protesters went inside a mosque and started screaming when the imam was leading service? That's effectively what she did to DEC members.

I would propose both campaigns should institute policies where you register that they place a $1,000 hold on your credit card - and if you're escorted out - that money goes to charity or the candidates campaign. That way the offensive people actually contribute to the campaign if they act poorly as she.

[southen]

Sorry, but it's only different because you disagree with Trump politically. If former Republican reps were doing the same at a Hillary Clinton rally this thread would be 10 straight pages of condemnation.

Sure. It couldn't be that we haven't seen a crackpot like Trump in our political history, it is simply partisanship. At some point you will have to stop blaming the media or clarifying everything he says and realize your party nominated a bigoted idiot.

Oh and just so we are clear, I don't even like Hillary. She gets my vote because the thought of another Scalia or two on the Supreme Court scares the crap out of me.

[southen]

My point is you have to respect the office of the presidency, even if you don't respect the person who holds that office.

How would she feel if a bunch of protesters went inside a mosque and started screaming when the imam was leading service? That's effectively what she did to DEC members.

You might want to talk to Trump about respect for the office...

As for harassment do you really want to compare what Trump deals with at a rally to what Muslims in this country have to deal with on a daily basis? That isn't a good way to bolster your argument, especially when the guy you are defending is one of the loudest voices painting the entire muslim community with the terrorist brush.

[Honky Tonk]

You might want to talk to Trump about respect for the office...

As for harassment do you really want to compare what Trump deals with at a rally to what Muslims in this country have to deal with on a daily basis? That isn't a good way to bolster your argument, especially when the guy you are defending is one of the loudest voices painting the entire muslim community with the terrorist brush.

Are you referring to this incessant celebrating of Christmas @ office parties, Gays having local bars where they can gather and enjoy themselves, or these heathen families getting together for an evening of fireworks on Bastille Day?

[southen]

Those who don't actually know any Muslims sure are quick to label them all together. Fear of the "other" is alive and well in America. That thinking has never had any consequences as evidenced by history right?

[belleislerunner]

You're just as quick to generalize all Muslims together. I have a Muslim roommate born in the Middle East and he went to the Trump rally in Toledo two weeks ago and supports him. So to think all Muslims are pro-Clinton is just as naive as saying all whites are Republicans or all blacks are Democrats.

[Shai_Hulud]

Sorry, but it's only different because you disagree with Trump politically. If former Republican reps were doing the same at a Hillary Clinton rally this thread would be 10 straight pages of condemnation.

False-equivalence.

If Clinton were campaigning on mandatory abortions or repealing the second amendment, then you'd have a case. Neither of those are true.

My point is you have to respect the office of the presidency, even if you don't respect the person who holds that office.

Surely you made that argument when Trump was making dick jokes on the trail and calling for violence against protesters? When he was demanding Obama's birth certificate?

How would she feel if a bunch of protesters went inside a mosque and started screaming when the imam was leading service? That's effectively what she did to DEC members.

False-equivalence.

If said Imam were on record calling for banning Christians from the country that would be comparable. If that were the case, said protesters would be perfectly justified in doing so.

No one is under any obligation to apply rules of decency to hate speech from Trump. The decent thing to do is denounce it in any, and every way.

[southen]

You're just as quick to generalize all Muslims together. I have a Muslim roommate born in the Middle East and he went to the Trump rally in Toledo two weeks ago and supports him. So to think all Muslims are pro-Clinton is just as naive as saying all whites are Republicans or all blacks are Democrats.

Can you show me where I said all Muslims support Hillary? I said Rashida had just cause to protest Trump. You know there is a difference in those statements right?

[belleislerunner]

She had a just cause to protest him outside the Center.

She violated the respect of the hosting organization by causing a scene inside their event. She was a guest at their event. That's the point you're missing. This was a paid invite only plus guests. This was not a a "general admission" free for all.

It's like me having a beef with the CEO of GM. Having a friend who works there invite me as a "plus one" to her daughter's wedding and then me standing up screaming as she toasts the wedding party that GM knew about ignition issues and she's responsible for the deaths of those who died in accidents.

That's what she did and it's tasteless. We should expect more of those who claim to represent us.

[Bham1982]

Trump is, easily, the craziest serious Presidential candidate in U.S. history.

Given the fact that an avowed fascist and racist is actually in contention for the most powerful position on earth, it's reasonable to assume his candidacy will attract spirited protest.

Good for Talib. Trump's bile needs a response.

[Bham1982]

Would you feel the same way if pro-life or pro 2nd Amendment protestors continuously interrupted Clinton's speeches?

That doesn't make any sense as A. Clinton is pro 2nd-amendment [[is there any U.S. politican who isn't?) and B. There are plenty of pro-life protestors against the Dems, always.

I never understand how Trump-supporting idiots conflate support for gun regulations as being against the 2nd Amendment. Are they really that feeble-minded?

[southen]

She had a just cause to protest him outside the Center.

She violated the respect of the hosting organization by causing a scene inside their event. She was a guest at their event. That's the point you're missing. This was a paid invite only plus guests. This was not a a "general admission" free for all.

It's like me having a beef with the CEO of GM. Having a friend who works there invite me as a "plus one" to her daughter's wedding and then me standing up screaming as she toasts the wedding party that GM knew about ignition issues and she's responsible for the deaths of those who died in accidents.

That's what she did and it's tasteless. We should expect more of those who claim to represent us.

Well since we are making wild comparisons to what she did ill say it was as if you were at a Klan rally and got up and spoke your mind. Im ok with that. See? Now doesn't that make sense? *eyeroll

The hilarious thing is that you keep demanding class and saying that you expect more from those who claim to represent us, but have a different standard for the man trying to be President. Rashida currently doesn't represent us, Trump is vying for the highest office in the land. Perhaps it is time to reevaluate your priorities on who displays appropriate conduct this election season.

[Johnnny5]

That doesn't make any sense as A. Clinton is pro 2nd-amendment [[is there any U.S. politican who isn't?) and B. There are plenty of pro-life protestors against the Dems, always.

I never understand how Trump-supporting idiots conflate support for gun regulations as being against the 2nd Amendment. Are they really that feeble-minded?

Support of regulation to the point of pseudo prohibition is not being "Pro" anything. That's like saying the Texas lawmakers that demanded hospital admitting privileges for all abortion providers were "Pro Choice".


Specific examples aside, my only point is that it's completely hypocritical to support the actions of Tlaib knowing full well that one would call out a protestor from the opposing party for doing the same thing.

[Bham1982]

Support of regulation to the point of pseudo prohibition is not being "Pro" anything.

That's fine and all, but I don't know a single U.S. politician who has such a stance. Certainly Hillary is very pro-2nd Amendment.

For some weird reason, simple-minded Trump fans believe that ANY gun regulation, no matter if just returning policies to where they were in past years, before the NRA took over Congress, is somehow indicative of opposition to the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment does not state "there shall be no regulations of weaponry, and even infants are allowed to brandish nuclear armaments and chemical warfare agents."

The Supreme Court has established that there are limits to all the amendments, and that Congress can restrict weapons usage, just as they can restrict free speech and other Constitutional protections. Totally allowed and reasonable. In fact the Constitution actually mandates such oversight and restrictions [[a point conveniently forgotten by the NRA nuts).

That's like saying the Texas lawmakers that demanded hospital admitting privileges for all abortion providers were "Pro Choice".

I have no idea what you're referencing in Texas or what this means.

There are plenty of pro-life protesters everywhere at Dem events, which is why it's odd you brought them up. It isn't a "what-if"; they're a constant presence.

[Johnnny5]

Certainly Hillary is very pro-2nd Amendment.

You and I must live in alternate universes. That, and I think I've had enough of this discussion.

[southen]

This Hillary gun rhetoric is brought to you by the same people who said Obama was going to destroy the 2nd Amendment every week of his Presidency. It is a false claim perpetrated by the NRA which has bolstered gun sales and rallied pro gun people around an issue that frankly doesn't exist. Trump says it at every rally without any proof whatsoever and no people repeat it here as if it were fact.

[softailrider]

That doesn't make any sense as A. Clinton is pro 2nd-amendment [[is there any U.S. politican who isn't?) and B. There are plenty of pro-life protestors against the Dems, always.

I never understand how Trump-supporting idiots conflate support for gun regulations as being against the 2nd Amendment. Are they really that feeble-minded?

Hillary is pro 2nd amendment? You must be joking. Her husband obviously hated firearms, Hillary seems just like him or worse.

[MSUguy]

If more your're concerned about being classy to a bigot than the protesting and confronting the bigot you may want reevaluate your values. Reading belle isles complaints I can't help but think this MLK quote:

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

[Bham1982]

Hillary is pro 2nd amendment? You must be joking.

Could you give us ANY support for your claim that Hillary isn't pro 2nd Amendment? This should be good...

Her husband obviously hated firearms, Hillary seems just like him or worse.

Given that Bill was president for eight years, could you please give us ANY support for this wild claim too? Just one example, please...

Are people really this stupid? Is this country the biggest band of idiots or what? We are seriously debating these daily Trump verbal diarrhea quotes? Anyone else for "proving" Vince Foster was killed, the Clintons are part of the Illuminati, Obama is a secret ISIS agent, and all the rest of the right-wing crap?