Can you name something that makes you feel Detroit is on a comeback

[Zacha341]

Nice to hear from you G. Good point. There was deadly crash on the Lodge recently were the drivers and occupants fled the scene fearing possibly the citations for no insurance, license etc. There are many people driving dirty [[no insurance) in the D.

When it doesnt cost $4000 a year to insure a $1000 hooptie

[Zacha341]

Yes, midtown, downtown etc., nice. Got that, but this does not help life in the 'hood' where the remaining population strives. We still have strong, viable areas, but many neighborhoods, east and west continue to decline and are becoming enclaves of 'police don't go there' crime. Seven mile for example is rough, relative to violence and car jackings [[especially at the gas stations) from the far east to west!

To the perpetual haters - Chicago48, Bham82, TTime

Nobody is saying the whole city or even most of the city is COMING BACK. My neighborhood, Warrendale, is still in slow decline. The vast majority of neighborhoods from Dexter-Davison to Brightmoor to Conant Gardens to Boynton to Old Redford are stagnant or falling still....

[Zacha341]

Hah. Weee, and bully on that. Duggan knows he best be cool. He'd never get the pass KK received all time that he did!

What amazes me about Detroit's "comeback" is that Duggan has not been charged with corruption by the feds. Yet.

[Honky Tonk]

Do you mean when these things become a reality or is it where you live!

When they become a reality, Zacha341. I, supposedly, live in one of the nicer Detroit areas.

[Mind field]

How about when the city doesn't have multiple days where there are 3 or 4 homicides in a single day? No normal, tax paying, law abiding citizen will want to live anywhere near that kind of bullshit.

[TTime]

I guess this wasn't really shocking to see especially if you visit other cities regularly. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...s-us/83580252/

[masterblaster]

I guess this wasn't really shocking to see especially if you visit other cities regularly. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...s-us/83580252/

The question was "is Detroit on a comeback?". Those select areas [[downtown, midtown, Corktown, East Riverfront) are ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY. Just because there are less businesses within 3 miles of downtown compared to other cities does not negate the fact that those aforementioned areas are seeing population growth, renewed vibrancy, and investment.

Again, why are you such a hater?

[masterblaster]

How do you figure this?

During the 1970's-80's, downtown got a 7 tower complex, including a luxury shopping mall, the tallest hotel in the world, and six office towers. Detroit completely rebuilt the two main shopping corridors, and added a new mall and department store in New Center. Oh, and an elevated rail system alongside a street-running trolley.

During the 1980's-90's, downtown got multiple trophy office buildings [[including one by Hines, the gold standard in higher end commercial space) a shopping mall in Greektown, three highrise residentials, multiple new hotels, and two huge riverfront developments along Jefferson.

During the 1990's-00's downtown got two new HQ buildings, three massive casinos, two new stadia, renovated its largest abandoned tower to a luxury hotel, major expansion at Wayne State.

You can have stuff get built and still struggle. A city as big as Detroit will have development, even if the overall narrative is decline. "But stuff is being built" isn't really a reasonable response to whether or not the city is still declining. Stuff is always being built, whether cities are growing or shrinking.

There are 2 major differences between the development in downtown that has happened in the last 10 years and the development in the time period of the 1970's to early 2000's.

1. Yes, there was a decent amount of new development from the '70s to '00s [[Ren Cen, Trolley Plaza), BUT DURING THAT SAME PERIOD A LARGE NUMBER OF buildings WENT DARK - Hotel Tuller, Hotel Statler, Lafayette Building, Hudson's Building, Broderick Building, Whitney Building, Metropolitan Building, Wurlitzter Building, the now demolished 21-story building that was next to the Cadillac Tower, the Monroe Block, the Theaters - Michigan, United Artists, National, Madison, Adams, etc, etc. etc. During the past 10 years, however, only the Book Tower has WENT DARK, and that building has now been purchased by Gilbert for a likely residential conversion.

2. Downtown's resurgence in the past 10 years is more focused on bringing new residents downtown, while in the previous years it was just about getting office workers and pro sports fans downtown.

[TTime]

The question was "is Detroit on a comeback?". Those select areas [[downtown, midtown, Corktown, East Riverfront) are ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY. Just because there are less businesses within 3 miles of downtown compared to other cities does not negate the fact that those aforementioned areas are seeing population growth, renewed vibrancy, and investment.

Again, why are you such a hater?

Ha to answer your question again, I am not a hater. I am simply providing a reality check. Why does the truth bother you so much? Ignore it if you choose, it's that simple but the original question is a loaded one and that article was in the paper this morning and I thought it was relevant because it provided direct evidence to show that the city may not be in a comeback at all. Here go ahead and get even more mad about this article too if you like....http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...rate/83395596/ ....also in the paper this morning.

[Junjie]

Ha to answer your question again, I am not a hater. I am simply providing a reality check. Why does the truth bother you so much? Ignore it if you choose, it's that simple but the original question is a loaded one and that article was in the paper this morning and I thought it was relevant because it provided direct evidence to show that the city may not be in a comeback at all. Here go ahead and get even more mad about this article too if you like....http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...rate/83395596/ ....also in the paper this morning.

Again, the question at hand is about trends, not absolute comparisons to other cities. Knowing where Detroit stands in this ranking in one given year provides zero "direct evidence" that the city is moving in any direction at all. You can't have a trend without at least two data points and so far you've provided one.

masterblaster was pretty clear in his claims - certain areas around downtown are on an upward trajectory. No one here is arguing that Detroit is not poorer or less filled with retail than other cities in the US. But do you think that the same map, if made in 2010, would have had more red dots than it does today?

[TTime]

Again, the question at hand is about trends, not absolute comparisons to other cities. Knowing where Detroit stands in this ranking in one given year provides zero "direct evidence" that the city is moving in any direction at all. You can't have a trend without at least two data points and so far you've provided one.

masterblaster was pretty clear in his claims - certain areas around downtown are on an upward trajectory. No one here is arguing that Detroit is not poorer or less filled with retail than other cities in the US. But do you think that the same map, if made in 2010, would have had more red dots than it does today?

The question was can you name something that makes you feel Detroit is on a comeback. I think the evidence is there that it is not and articles like the ones I included support that claim. If the Tigers finished every season in last place would you buy into a marketing campaign that told you to buy tickets for next season because hey they may have finished in last place baby but the short stop improved his batting average so get on board with your comeback Tigers!

[emu steve]

I think this article suggests a theme of hope and optimism that Detroit has turned the corner...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...owes/83629818/

[SammyS]

Posted in another thread but I think it's more appropriate here.

https://detroit.curbed.com/2017/8/31...n-mansion-sold

1885 Brush Park Victorian mansion, now rental property, sells for $2.65M

The previous owners had bought the house for $275,000 in 2011, then renovated it. More interior renovation photos can be seen here.
Late last year, another grand mansion in Brush Park garnered over $2 million. The Inn at 97 Winder, which had been for sale for years, sold for $2.4 million and has since reopened under new ownership.

In addition to the Crosswinds condos demanding $250/sqft and 50% of City Modern already sold for >$300/sqft, I think Brush Park is slowly retuning to it's former glory of being a very exclusive inner city neighborhood.

[rex]

downtown seems to be doing fine. They are going to connect midtown and downtown. Something i expected to happen
i haven't been able to find accurate crime stats in some time
Before too long. Assuming the economy doesn't tank. Some well placed areas should see a lot of new development.

[Pat001]

People younger than 50 have never known a time when Detroit wasn't "coming back."

[401don]

In the entire "Amazon" thread, people give their reasons why Detroit may or may not win, but there is not a single "Ha!Ha! Not A Chance" among them. Imagine that 10 years ago.

[O3H]

I think not only DETROIT isn't coming back, the USA is still in trouble

America has roughly 326.5 Million citizens - 40 Million are on Food Stamps

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[Bham1982]

I think not only DETROIT isn't coming back, the USA is still in trouble

America has roughly 326.5 Million citizens - 40 Million are on Food Stamps

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What do food stamps have to do with whether or not the U.S. is "in trouble"? Wouldn't the U.S. be more "in trouble" if there were fewer or no such benefits?

Mexico has no food stamps; guess they're doing fine. The Scandinavian countries go far above the U.S. in terms of food benefits; guess they're struggling.

[313WX]

What do food stamps have to do with whether or not the U.S. is "in trouble"? Wouldn't the U.S. be more "in trouble" if there were fewer or no such benefits?

To have so many people dependent on some form of government assistance to make ends meet [[versus being able to support themselves) certainly isn't something to brag about.

[O3H]

People on Food Stamps are NOT going to pro sporting events, buying $500- $1,000 dollar bikes, watches, etc. and they certainly are not dropping $100 at that new local restaurant for drinks and nibbles.

Wake up and read about the Reality of Detroit - not the hype, glitz, spin.

Detroit won't come back until the middle class rebounds with expendable income to spend on the "other" stuff not necessary for day-to-day living

Does anyone really think, the Suburbs are now going to take care of, Detroit in some economic manner via frivolous spending and recreation ?

The kids at Wayne State University are working, to pay tuition, food, clothes, etc. and don't have massive amounts of expendable income.

Who is buying all the STUFF, and how repetitive are those sales ?
IF there is no game/event bringing folks downtown = the dollars = $0.00

[gnome]

With an eye towards our history, one of the things that has irked me about Detroit is that it has had a bad case of ADHD.

It has not been able to stay focused.

Cool Hub-and-Spoke street scape. Oops.

Downtown is looking cool; let's build a new one and call it New Center!

Neat neighborhood named after some famous horses; let's put up some shacks next door.

Riverfront? Who needs that thing. Let's put up buildings with no windows so no one can see that wet area.

Finally, at long last there seems to be someone with focus and the ability to know that the Hindu prayer, "Go from strength to strength " means to build where there is success and then build right next to it.

Does that mean 7 and Kelly are going to keep sucking?

Yeppers.

[emu steve]

...Finally, at long last there seems to be someone with focus and the ability to know that the Hindu prayer, "Go from strength to strength " means to build where there is success and then build right next to it...

Great advice.

Isn't that how the Wayne State area got better? Just keep getting better block by block.

[O3H]

EXCEPT the fact the university kids are not buying a ton of stuff, or dropping coin at the restaurants, etc., etc. Yeah its nice, but it is not driving the economy of the D