Little Caesar Pizza Headquarter Palace

**det** · July-22-15, 10:40 AM

Anyone know if Olympia plans on going through with this development between the Fox/Fillmore theaters? They were supposed to break ground on this by now.

**Spartan** · July-22-15, 11:08 AM

no one ever knows if Ilitch will follow through on a development, unless it's a stadium

**swingline** · July-22-15, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Spartan

no one ever knows if Ilitch will follow through on a development, unless it's a stadium

+1

However, sources report that Olympia Development is moving forward with a new business arm that will provide consulting services to developers seeking to demolish structures located in locally designated historic districts.

**bailey** · July-22-15, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Spartan

no one ever knows if Ilitch will follow through on a development, unless it's a stadium

...and at least half the construction is funded by the taxpayer.

**Honky Tonk** · July-22-15, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

...and at least half the construction is funded by the taxpayer.

And he gets to keep the profits.....

**1953** · July-22-15, 03:42 PM

In short, he's a jerk.

**Honky Tonk** · July-22-15, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by 1953

In short, he's a jerk.

Actually, I would say not. He's just getting away with what the taxpayers and powers that be, let him get away with. He knows how to play the masses.

**emu steve** · July-22-15, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Actually, I would say not. He's just getting away with what the taxpayers and powers that be, let him get away with. He knows how to play the masses.

or doing what hundreds of thousands sports fans want him to do.

After all, he isn't taking a public subsidy to run an oil refinery. He is running a sports and entertainment business which has broad appeal to folks in Southeast MI [[and beyond).

**313WX** · July-22-15, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Spartan

no one ever knows if Ilitch will follow through on a development, unless it's a stadium

...Surrounded by miles and miles of surface lots...

**Honky Tonk** · July-22-15, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by emu steve

or doing what hundreds of thousands sports fans want him to do.

After all, he isn't taking a public subsidy to run an oil refinery. He is running a sports and entertainment business which has broad appeal to folks in Southeast MI [[and beyond).

Then he should've taken a collection up among the thousands of sports fans, since he needs a few bucks. I'd be more apt to support him if it was an oil refinery.

**Detroit** · July-22-15, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by det

Anyone know if Olympia plans on going through with this development between the Fox/Fillmore theaters? They were supposed to break ground on this by now.

It's still happening. My understanding is the plans are being finalized now.

**Bham1982** · July-22-15, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by emu steve

or doing what hundreds of thousands sports fans want him to do.

After all, he isn't taking a public subsidy to run an oil refinery. He is running a sports and entertainment business which has broad appeal to folks in Southeast MI [[and beyond).

An oil refinery would be a comparatively superior public expenditure. Refineries provide lots of high paying jobs, and usually lower local fuel prices.

A subsidized stadium will provide no net economic benefit over an unsubsidized one. There won't be one additional job created.

Also, who are these "hundreds of thousands of sports fans" who prefer that their tax dollars go to billionaires pocketbooks as opposed to schools, roads, safety or economic development? I haven't yet met one.

**Scottathew** · July-22-15, 09:07 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. He hasn't earned my trust yet. So far all he's done is taxpayer funded stadiums and surface lots.

**Dbest** · July-23-15, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Then he should've taken a collection up among the thousands of sports fans, since he needs a few bucks. I'd be more apt to support him if it was an oil refinery.

They already tried that, in the final season at Tiger Stadium[[under city ownership) there was 1 dollar from every ticket set aside for future upkeep of the stadium. Long story short, following the end of the season the city sells the stadium to Ilitch for $1, and along with it came that 2 million dollar collection for upkeep, everyone should know the rest of the story. Free Money!

**Honky Tonk** · July-23-15, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Dbest

They already tried that, in the final season at Tiger Stadium[[under city ownership) there was 1 dollar from every ticket set aside for future upkeep of the stadium. Long story short, following the end of the season the city sells the stadium to Ilitch for $1, and along with it came that 2 million dollar collection for upkeep, everyone should know the rest of the story. Free Money!

I forgot about that. What a shame.

**Dbest** · July-23-15, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I forgot about that. What a shame.

The scary thing is how much pull Ilitch has within the state. He got Tiger torn down, even though the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy and U.S. Senator Carl Levin secured funds and had a sound business plan for saving and redeveloping the site, it didn't get a chance. The DEGC played the role of facilitator.

Baseball field or not, pretty much all my relatives had been to Tiger, and they're all in the GR area. It was a Michigan institution for many. There aren't too many...

Finally, the most pathetic thing is the fact the mower gang has been shouldering the maintenance load for the field so long. It does say something about Tiger Stadium that a group is so dedicated to keeping the field intact...Pizza! Pizza!

**Honky Tonk** · July-23-15, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dbest

The scary thing is how much pull Ilitch within the state. He got Tiger torn down, even though the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy and U.S. Senator Carl Levin secured funds and had a sound business plan for saving and redeveloping the site it didn't get a chance. The DEGC played the role of facilitator.

Baseball field or not, pretty much all my relatives had been to Tiger, and they're all in the GR area. It was a Michigan institution for many. There aren't too many...

Finally, the most pathetic thing is the fact the mower gang has been shouldering the maintenence load for the so long. It does say something about Tiger Stadium that a group is so dedicated to keeping the field intact...Pizza! Pizza!

And now it'll be a mini-mall and apartments.

**Gistok** · July-23-15, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Bham1982

An oil refinery would be a comparatively superior public expenditure. Refineries provide lots of high paying jobs, and usually lower local fuel prices.

Let me bring you up to date on that concept....

http://archive.freep.com/article/201...-officials-say

**emu steve** · July-23-15, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Let me bring you up to date on that concept....

http://archive.freep.com/article/201...-officials-say

So much for another talking point being debunked...

So for 175M: 15 jobs + smog.

i'm liking the arena deal more and more: No smog plus many hundred jobs.

**ekleezy** · July-23-15, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by emu steve

So much for another talking point being debunked...

So for 175M: 15 jobs + smog.

i'm liking the arena deal more and more: No smog plus many hundred jobs.

Are there really that many jobs getting made though? Seems like they're just moving from one location to another.

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · July-23-15, 03:06 PM

Seldom, if ever, do the promised jobs appear after companies are granted huge sums of corporate welfare.

**Richard** · July-23-15, 03:39 PM

Kinda reminds me of the Little Ceasers GO-Fast boat,once a world champion that now sits in a vacant lot in Miami,stripped and full of moldy rain water.Once it serves its purpose it is allowed to waste away.Kinda like a building.

**Gistok** · July-23-15, 03:48 PM

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...-cesars003.jpg

**Richard** · July-23-15, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...-cesars003.jpg

We had one "The Doll House" even though LC ran circles around us. It was fun until the IRS decided that the topless bar business was a good investment to take.I think they still run it today.

**Bham1982** · July-24-15, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Let me bring you up to date on that concept....

http://archive.freep.com/article/201...-officials-say

Sorry, but no. Need to google a bit harder, and actually read posts carefully before responding.

Again, oil refineries offer lots of high paying jobs, and decrease gas prices. The next stadium taxpayer boondoggle does neither.

The same is true for the Marathon refinery. Your link has an article dealing with refinery air pollution and net new jobs being created from an existing refinery. It says nothing about gas prices nor existing jobs nor existing salaries.