Greektown Shootings

**Bobl** · June-22-15, 11:00 AM

I was not there, and details are sketchy. Was anyone in the vicinity? To me, it ceased being Greektown when the casino moved in.

**stinkytofu** · June-22-15, 11:24 AM

Multiple shootings. Saturday night a girl was shot outside Five Guys [[she survived). I walked by half an hour later with a friend from out of town and cops had secured the scene. Not a good look for my own of town friend.

Last night someone was shot and killed and another one was injured in a shooting as well. Not good.

**mtburb** · June-22-15, 11:47 AM

I've walked through Greektown multiple times over the years and never heard a single gun being fired each time.

**SpartanDawg** · June-22-15, 12:00 PM

was very shocked hearing these reports... i frequent greektown very often on the weekends and the whole area has a VERY HEAVY police presence...

hope these incidents were isolated

**mikeg19** · June-22-15, 12:00 PM

Shootings can/will happen anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's in Greektown or in a vacant lot behind the Masonic Temple. You probably walk past a lot of people carrying guns on them and never would suspect it.

**Honky Tonk** · June-22-15, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by mikeg19

Shootings can/will happen anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's in Greektown or in a vacant lot behind the Masonic Temple. You probably walk past a lot of people carrying guns on them and never would suspect it.

Correct, it's no big deal... until it happens to you.

**Danny** · June-22-15, 12:26 PM

Everyone has the right to bear arms. Thank-you 2nd amendment. Even irresponsible gun waving yahoos like Dylann Roof!

**Danny** · June-22-15, 12:28 PM

Gun control doesn't quite work in most public areas in America. But only you can keep people with guns out of your property. Just like you can keep anyone who smokes, drinks alcohol and wearing hate signs.

**MSUguy** · June-22-15, 01:09 PM

I have to say I don't think it is a coincidence with the type of crowds the River Days and Fireworks tends to bring out.

**401don** · June-22-15, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by mikeg19

Shootings can/will happen anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's in Greektown or in a vacant lot behind the Masonic Temple. You probably walk past a lot of people carrying guns on them and never would suspect it.

Of course shootings can happen anywhere but it makes a big difference where they occur. Shootings in busy commercial districts are more likely to have innocent people caught in the crossfire and to affect people's attitudes and behaviour about returning to that area. Similarly shootings in neighborhoods where innocent people are shot on their front lawn or in a park are likely to cause those people to move from the area. When someone is shot in a vacant alley or other deserted area chances are it's not random and they knew the risk they were taking by being in that area.

**Gannon** · June-22-15, 01:59 PM

There was a young woman killed within the heavily-guarded perimeter of the SuperBowl celebration here in 2006...across the street from Campus Martius, at that Red Square bar [[that had three names at the time, it was an odd joint). There was precious little media attention to it, they buried in on purpose.

There is never any guarantee, unless you want metal detectors everywhere...and even then insistent folk will find a way around them, too.

**1953** · June-22-15, 02:09 PM

I was at the Ren Cen last year around the time of River Days and found the crowds full of large groups of young kids without parents. It didn't make me feel very safe, and I suspect as the poster above does that this event may be related to the shootings.

**stinkytofu** · June-22-15, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by MSUguy

I have to say I don't think it is a coincidence with the type of crowds the River Days and Fireworks tends to bring out.

It was definitely an uncomfortable crowd on Saturday. Normally even at midnight on a weekend you see folks in their 20s, 30s, 40s wandering around. It was clearly primarily high school age and early 20s and they were in big groups. I actually walked my group back to my place using a path were there weren't many people.

**gumby** · June-22-15, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gannon

There was a young woman killed within the heavily-guarded perimeter of the SuperBowl celebration here in 2006...across the street from Campus Martius, at that Red Square bar [[that had three names at the time, it was an odd joint). There was precious little media attention to it, they buried in on purpose.

There is never any guarantee, unless you want metal detectors everywhere...and even then insistent folk will find a way around them, too.

Yeah that one was crazy. My friends and I were right there when it happened. My buddy was directly behind the shooter within a foot of him. I have never seen him run so fast afterwards, it was some scary stuff.

**dtowncitylover** · June-22-15, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by stinkytofu

It was clearly primarily high school age and early 20s and they were in big groups.

But if we impose a curfew, it's a violation of civil rights.

**cla1945** · June-22-15, 03:38 PM

A curfew is a violation of civil rights? That's bull! Juveniles are supposed to be under the control of their parents or guardians. I'd like to see where it's stated that a curfew is a violation of civil rights.

**dtowncitylover** · June-22-15, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by cla1945

A curfew is a violation of civil rights? That's bull! Juveniles are supposed to be under the control of their parents or guardians. I'd like to see where it's stated that a curfew is a violation of civil rights.

That was one of the many arguments when the curfew came under vote with the city council. I don't agree with it.

**Ray1936** · June-22-15, 05:51 PM

Years back, my kids had a curfew, as did I as a young'un. To me, civil responsibilities are even more important than civil rights.

**Cliffy** · June-22-15, 08:51 PM

Its pretty shocking to have back to back shootings in Greektown. Makes me think twice about going downtown even during the daylight hours.

**mtburb** · June-22-15, 10:30 PM

Ain't it strange that this is actually making me plan to take my annual summer downtown trip way earlier than usual this year?

**night-timer** · June-23-15, 02:23 AM

Strange and sad. Not good for Greektown, which is normally a fun place. Greektown would probably have above average police and private security guard numbers.

**Dan Wesson** · June-23-15, 07:15 AM

[QUOTE=stinkytofu;481847]It was definitely an uncomfortable crowd on Saturday. Normally even at midnight on a weekend you see folks in their 20s, 30s, 40s wandering around. It was clearly primarily high school age and early 20s and they were in big groups. I actually walked my group back to my place using a path were there weren't many people./QUOTE]

Great, I lived like that in the D too long. F that.

**dtowncitylover** · June-23-15, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Cliffy

Its pretty shocking to have back to back shootings in Greektown. Makes me think twice about going downtown even during the daylight hours.

Don't give into the shallow fear and hysteria based on two unfortunate events. These are rare downtown and I would guess every major downtown has its one or two bad crimes a year. If we give into the fear and hysteria then we are letting the criminals make a home downtown. Police presence is always present downtown, now we have to do our part and be, what Jane Jacobs called, the ballet of the sidewalk.

**piczka** · June-23-15, 11:17 AM

10 Things Not to do in The D This Weekend!

**Dan Wesson** · June-23-15, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by dtowncitylover

Don't give into the shallow fear and hysteria based on two unfortunate events. These are rare downtown and I would guess every major downtown has its one or two bad crimes a year. If we give into the fear and hysteria then we are letting the criminals make a home downtown. Police presence is always present downtown, now we have to do our part and be, what Jane Jacobs called, the.

ballet of the sidewalk?

What's that? Cross the street mid-block?