Rand Paul fights against modern day slavery.

[canuck]

Good Samaritan Rand Paul tells it like it is; Universal Health Care is slavery. Love this shit. I couldn't even make this up in my deep sleep phase. lol. Love this shit!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=44&v=u_HVyoT2PgM

[oladub]

As a foreign subject perhaps you don't know about or care about the US Constitution which delegates powers to the federal government. If the power isn't delegated,or forbidden to states, it belongs to states and the people. The Supreme Court got around this by calling Obamacare a tax. Since the federal government is delegated with the power to tax, it reasoned, and Obamacare is a tax, therefore Obamacare is constitutional. I have problems with that reasoning. Every new law could come come with a new tax so every new law would then be constitutional. It doesn't matter what I think though. Supreme Court rulings are the law of the land. If the Court says Obamacare is a tax so it's ok or if it says that corporations are people, such ruling become effective law.

Beyond his choice of words, where Paul is wrong is that states, as mentioned above, can have health care plans. When Vermont tried to institute its own Canadian provincial like single payer plan, never elected Obamacare bureaucrats in Washington,DC stepped in and forbade it. So Vermont had to continue with societally unaffordable Obamacare; a plan whose principle architect was the former VP of Wellpoint a huge for profit healthcare system.

Give Paul a little space on his choice of words though. A couple of days ago, he held up the renewal of the Patriot Act by leading a 10.5 hour bi-partisan talkathon in the Senate. He is bucking most of the Republican Party and allied with mostly Democrats on that issue. He is also allied with more Democrats than Republicans in his oppositions to the TPP. In the past, he successfully thwarted Obama's attempt to have police drones flying all over with a filibuster. If anyone wants to fight the TPP, Patriot Act attacks on the 4th Amendment, the ongoing wars, and corporate privilege, Paul is a viable candidate. Hillary, in contrast is a corporatist warmongering crook. Last year, Paul returned $1.8M budgeted to his office back to the US Treasury while Hillary gave a $250,000 speech to Citcorps employees. So I think your attack on Paul's choice of words falls short of the greater dangers facing the US which Paul, more than most politicians, addresses. I am very thankful whenever a congressperson, Democrat or Republican, takes on the banksters, warmongers, and those attacking our Constitutional freedoms.

[canuck]

As a foreign subject perhaps you don't know about or care about the US Constitution which delegates powers to the federal government. If the power isn't delegated,or forbidden to states, it belongs to states and the people. The Supreme Court got around this by calling Obamacare a tax. Since the federal government is delegated with the power to tax, it reasoned, and Obamacare is a tax, therefore Obamacare is constitutional. I have problems with that reasoning. Every new law could come come with a new tax so every new law would then be constitutional. It doesn't matter what I think though. Supreme Court rulings are the law of the land. If the Court says Obamacare is a tax so it's ok or if it says that corporations are people, such ruling become effective law.

Beyond his choice of words, where Paul is wrong is that states, as mentioned above, can have health care plans. When Vermont tried to institute its own Canadian provincial like single payer plan, never elected Obamacare bureaucrats in Washington,DC stepped in and forbade it. So Vermont had to continue with societally unaffordable Obamacare; a plan whose principle architect was the former VP of Wellpoint a huge for profit healthcare system.

Give Paul a little space on his choice of words though. A couple of days ago, he held up the renewal of the Patriot Act by leading a 10.5 hour bi-partisan talkathon in the Senate. He is bucking most of the Republican Party and allied with mostly Democrats on that issue. He is also allied with more Democrats than Republicans in his oppositions to the TPP. In the past, he successfully thwarted Obama's attempt to have police drones flying all over with a filibuster. If anyone wants to fight the TPP, Patriot Act attacks on the 4th Amendment, the ongoing wars, and corporate privilege, Paul is a viable candidate. Hillary, in contrast is a corporatist warmongering crook. Last year, Paul returned $1.8M budgeted to his office back to the US Treasury while Hillary gave a $250,000 speech to Citcorps employees. So I think your attack on Paul's choice of words falls short of the greater dangers facing the US which Paul, more than most politicians, addresses. I am very thankful whenever a congressperson, Democrat or Republican, takes on the banksters, warmongers, and those attacking our Constitutional freedoms.

Excellent point. I don't trust Hilary Clinton, in spite of her squeaky clean use of well worded typescripts. In Canada, the health care system was enabled by federal provisions but is very much a provincial run scheme. Where it becomes a universal system for Canadians is that we are all covered if something happens outside our respective provinces and territories. I am confident that the US will find a scheme that covers everyone in your country. In spite of the fuck-ups in Cnadian healthcare which is nowhere nearly universal as say, France's or England's scheme; the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Vermont's stubbornness in this is tied to its closeness to Canada and its knowledge of how our system works, it is not borne out of ignorance and hearsay.
I am looking forward to some debates involving Bernie Sanders if he ever gets a chance from the media circus operators. I hope we don't see another episode of "Spin" in the next presidential campaign where some candidates were flushed out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJkgQZb0VU

[oladub]

Most of my relatives are Canadian. They pretty much like their health care systems with a few exceptions usually involving waits for specialists. I think that it would be possible to similarly make individual state health care plans more universal. After all, each state institutes different driver testing and age requirements but state drivers' licenses are accepted in other states. I'm not a Democrat but I would like to see Sanders or even Warren mix it up in the primary. Sanders seems honest. I agree with them both about reigning in the big banks. My ideal race would be Warren and Paul.

[rb336]

yeah, those poor, poor Europeans who don't have to go broke because they get sick. how utterly stupid

ps - the first person who fought for federal government sponsored health care? George Washington