Gordie Howe International Bridge

[Canadian Visitor]

On the subject of the conditions to me met for a replacement span for the Ambassador Bridge [[note, not an additional span, a replacement span), the link is here:

http://orders-in-council.canada.ca/a...=35019&lang=en

The details of which are as follows:

The following definitions apply in this Schedule.

Ambassador Bridge means the existing four-lane international bridge that spans the Detroit River between Windsor, Ontario, and Detroit, Michigan. [[pont Ambassador Bridge)
Canadian border services facilities means the border services facilities of the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor, Ontario, that will also serve the Replacement bridge. [[installations canadiennes de services frontaliers)
Canadian border services facilities work means the work proposed by the Canadian Transit Company to alter the Canadian border services facilities, as described in the Canadian Transit Company’s application and documents relating to it. [[travaux relatifs aux installations canadiennes de services frontaliers)
Replacement bridge means a new six-lane international bridge immediately west of the Ambassador Bridge, as described in the Canadian Transit Company’s application and documents relating to it. [[pont de remplacement)

Alteration of the Canadian Border Services Facilities

2 The approval of the Canadian border services facilities work is subject to the terms and conditions set out in sections 3 to 12.

3 The Canadian border services facilities work shall be performed within the footprint of the conceptual drawing for that work submitted to the Canada Border Services Agency in June 2016 by the Canadian Transit Company and approved by that Agency by letter dated July 11, 2016 to the Canadian Transit Company.

4 The Canadian border services facilities work shall be performed in compliance with the statement of requirements entitled Ambassador Bridge January 2014 Approved, attached to the Canada Border Services Agency’s letter dated January 31, 2014 to the Canadian Transit Company.

5 The final plans for the Canadian border services facilities work shall be substantially consistent with the conceptual drawing submitted to the Canada Border Services Agency in June 2016 by the Canadian Transit Company and approved by that Agency by letter dated July 11, 2016 to the Canadian Transit Company.

6 The Canadian Transit Company shall, in performing the Canadian border services facilities work, implement and comply with all mitigation, monitoring and follow-up measures described in the Environmental Assessment Screening Report dated January 23, 2014 and prepared pursuant to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act by Transport Canada and the Windsor Port Authority.

7 The Canadian Transit Company shall establish a process to ensure that the Walpole Island First Nation is consulted on the performance of the Canadian border services facilities work, including on the design, the Archeological Stage IV issues and the benefits and opportunities that the work may present for the Walpole Island First Nation.

8 The Canadian Transit Company shall, prior to the completion of the Canadian border services facilities work, acquire the portion of Huron Church Road between College Avenue and Wyandotte Street in Windsor, Ontario, and, unless a written agreement addressing the issue of the relocation of that portion of Huron Church Road and its public utilities before the completion of the Canadian border services facilities work is concluded with the City of Windsor, shall also
[[a) keep open for public use and maintain, at its own cost, that portion of Huron Church Road until it closes;

[[b) relocate or cause to be relocated, at its own cost, that portion of Huron Church Road and any and all of its public utilities to a location that is immediately adjacent to the west side of the Canadian border services facilities, as expanded by the performance of the Canadian border services facilities work, as illustrated on page 8 of the Canadian Transit Company’s application to Transport Canada dated February 27, 2014 and in Appendix A to the Canadian Transit Company’s letter to Transport Canada dated August 21, 2014;
[[c) provide all proper easements necessary for the purpose of and as a result of the relocation of any and all of the public utilities referred to in paragraph [[b);
[[d) open and keep open for public use the relocated road referred to in paragraph [[b); and
[[e) maintain, at its own cost, the relocated road referred to in paragraph [[b)..

9 The design and construction of the relocated road and the public utilities referred to in paragraph 8.[[b) shall be similar to the portion of Huron Church Road and its public utilities between College Avenue and Wyandotte Street and shall meet standards, specifications and requirements that are not less stringent than those that apply to the design and construction of similarly situated roads and public utilities in the City of Windsor.

10 Upon the opening for public use of the relocated portion of Huron Church Road, the Canadian Transit Company shall close or cause to be closed the portion of Huron Church Road between College Avenue and Wyandotte Street.

11 Unless a written agreement addressing the issue of the response time for the City of Windsor Emergency Response Teams to serve the community as a result of the Canadian border services facilities work is concluded with the City of Windsor, the Canadian Transit Company shall, at its own cost and prior to the commencement of that work, cause Fire Hall Number 4, located at 2600 College Avenue, to be relocated to a location in Windsor, Ontario, that is within the boundaries described as follows:
 Commencing at the intersection of Prince Road and Peter Street;  Thence in a general northeasterly direction along Peter Street to the intersection of Peter Street and Mill Street;  Thence in a general southeasterly direction along Mill Street to the intersection of Mill Street and Felix Avenue;
 Thence in a general southeasterly direction along Felix Avenue to the intersection of Felix Avenue and Millen Street;
 Thence in a general southwesterly direction along Millen Street to the intersection of Millen Street and Brock Street;
 Thence in a general southeasterly direction along Brock Street to the intersection of Brock Street and Well Street;
 Thence in a general southwesterly direction along Well Street to the intersection of Well Street and Prince Road;  Thence in a general northwesterly direction along Prince Road to the point of commencement.

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[Canadian Visitor]

12 Unless a written agreement addressing the issue of road infrastructure impacts resulting from the Canadian border services facilities work is concluded with the City of Windsor, the Canadian Transit Company shall, at its own cost,

[[a) ensure that any municipal road infrastructure in Windsor, Ontario, used for the performance of the Canadian border services facilities work is kept clean and free from any dirt and debris that results from the performance of the work; and
[[b) carry out or cause to be carried out, following the performance of the Canadian border services facilities work, the rehabilitation or restoration of the following road infrastructure in Windsor, Ontario:
[[i) College Avenue from Felix Avenue to Huron Church Road,
[[ii) Felix Avenue from College Avenue to Mill Street,
[[iii) the intersection of College Street and Huron Church Road, and
[[iv) any other municipal road infrastructure that was damaged as a result of that work.

Construction and Operation of the Replacement Bridge 13 The approval of the proposed construction and operation of the Replacement bridge is subject to the terms and conditions set out in sections 14 to 28.

14 The Canadian Transit Company shall commence the construction of the Replacement bridge no later than five years after the Governor in Council approved its construction.
15 The Canadian Transit Company shall complete the Canadian border services facilities work prior to the Replacement bridge opening to traffic.

16 The Canadian Transit Company shall not construct the Replacement bridge according to standards that are less stringent than the standards set out in the Canadian Highway Bridge Design Code.

17 The Canadian Transit Company shall, in carrying out the construction of the Replacement bridge, implement and comply with all mitigation, monitoring and follow-up measures described in the Environmental Assessment Screening Report dated January 23, 2014 and prepared pursuant to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act by Transport Canada and the Windsor Port Authority.
18 The Canadian Transit Company shall establish a process to ensure that the Walpole Island First Nation is consulted on the construction of the Replacement bridge, including on the design, the Archeological Stage IV issues and the benefits and opportunities that the construction may present for the Walpole Island First Nation.

19 The Canadian Transit Company shall, at least 30 days prior to the commencement of the construction of the Replacement bridge, provide the Minister with a security risk assessment that
[[a) identifies the security risks associated with the construction of the Replacement bridge;
[[b) indicates the consequences associated with and the likelihood of the security risks materializing;
[[c) identifies the measures to be taken to mitigate the security risks; and [[d) describes the methodology used to prepare the risk assessment.

20 The Canadian Transit Company shall, at least 30 days prior to the day on which the Replacement bridge opens to traffic, provide the Minister with a letter from an independent and qualified engineering firm certifying that the Replacement bridge was constructed in compliance with section 16 and in accordance with sound engineering principles and that it is safe for public use.

21 The Canadian Transit Company shall, at least 30 days prior to the day on which the Replacement bridge opens to traffic, provide the Minister with a security risk assessment that
[[a) identifies the security risks associated with the operation of the Replacement bridge;
[[b) indicates the consequences associated with and the likelihood of the security risks materializing;
[[c) identifies the measures to be taken to mitigate the security risks; and
[[d) describes the methodology used to prepare the risk assessment.
22 The Canadian Transit Company shall demolish or cause to be demolished the Ambassador Bridge other than the border services facilities. The demolition must be completed within five years from the day on which the Replacement bridge opens to traffic.

23 The Canadian Transit Company shall, prior to the commencement of the construction of the Replacement bridge, provide the Minister with a list of all permits and authorizations required in Canada and the United States for the demolition of the Ambassador Bridge other than the border services facilities.
24 Subject to section 25, the Canadian Transit Company, prior to the commencement of the construction of the Replacement bridge, shall obtain or cause to be obtained all permits and authorizations required in Canada and the United States for the demolition of the Ambassador Bridge other than the border services facilities, and shall provide a copy of each permit and authorization to the Minister.
25 If, for reasons that are beyond the control of the Canadian Transit Company or any person that can demolish the Ambassador Bridge other than the border services facilities, permits or authorizations referred to in section 24 cannot be obtained prior to the commencement of the construction of the Replacement bridge, the Canadian Transit Company shall provide the Minister with

[[a) a list of those permits or authorizations;
[[b) the reasons why such permits or authorizations cannot be obtained prior to the commencement of the construction of the Replacement bridge;
[[c) a written declaration certifying that all conditions required for the issuance of those permits or authorizations can and will be met to enable the demolition; and [[d) the approximate date on which the conditions referred to in paragraph [[c) will be met and the approximate date on which permits or authorization are expected to be obtained.

26 The Canadian Transit Company shall, prior to commencement of the construction of the Replacement bridge, provide the Minister with
[[a) a time and cost estimate for the demolition of the Ambassador Bridge other than the border services facilities, from an independent and qualified engineering firm that can certify the engineering work related to the demolition; and
[[b) a written declaration certifying that the Canadian Transit Company or any person that can demolish the Ambassador Bridge has or will have the necessary funds to demolish the Ambassador Bridge other than the border services facilities, based on the cost estimate referred to in paragraph [[a).. The written declaration shall be supported by evidence demonstrating that such funds are or will be available.

27 Unless otherwise agreed to in writing with the City of Windsor, the Canadian Transit Company shall
[[a) acquire, in Windsor, Ontario,
[[i) the properties that are within the boundaries confined by the future location of the Replacement bridge to the East, Wyandotte Street to the South, Indian Road to the West and University Avenue West to the North,

[[ii) the properties that are within the boundaries confined by the future location of the Replacement bridge to the East, Riverside Drive to the North, University Avenue to the South and the intersection of Riverside Drive and University Avenue to the West, and
[[iii) the property located at 2856 Riverside Drive West;
[[b) demolish all buildings on the properties described in paragraph [[a); and
[[c) develop and maintain those properties, at its own cost, as public parkland.

28 Unless a written agreement addressing the issue of road infrastructure impacts resulting from the construction of the Replacement bridge is concluded with the City of Windsor, the Canadian Transit Company shall, at its own cost,
[[a) ensure that any municipal road infrastructure in Windsor, Ontario, used for the construction of Replacement bridge is kept clean and free from any dirt and debris that results from the construction; and
[[b) carry out or cause to be carried out, following the construction of the Replacement bridge, the rehabilitation or restoration of the following road infrastructure in Windsor, Ontario:
[[i) University Avenue, Peter Street, Donnelly Street and Wyandotte Street and associated sidewalks between Huron Church Road and Indian Road,
[[ii) College Avenue from Felix Avenue to Huron Church Road,
[[iii) Felix Avenue from College Avenue to Mill Street,
[[iv) the intersection of College Street and Huron Church Road, and
[[v) any other municipal road infrastructure that was damaged as a result of that construction.

[Worldsgreatest]

Anyone who thinks that this battle is all over is seriously underestimating Moroun.

Ha ha tricks. you mean one "trick" that doesn't take a fortune teller to oversee. Oh no! undercutting tolls! whatever shall we do!

First of all the logistical advantages of GHIB make whatever marginal cut in prices the morons introduce pointless. Second of all if it seriously becomes a problem Canada can just... ya know... shut down their own customs at the Ambassador. LOL sorry morons!

They lost, there is no other play any way you slice it. the morons get to sit in their own shit and sniff it. I doubt they even ever had any intention of actually building a new bridge they only pushed the idea to stop Gordie Howe so they could have complete control. Morons will sit on Ambassador and continue to do the very least.

Canada is far from dumb and has the control now. the bone they threw at the morons was an in your face jeer more than anything else. They know damn well matty isn't building anything without significant government assistance which is never happening and matty sure as hell isn't going to spend the money to tear down the Ambassador bridge on top of it.

[Honky Tonk]

What a great article from a year and a half ago that vaguely states construction might start in 2018 or early 2019 if they get more permits.

Well you can @ least read a calendar, I'll give you that much.

[Meddle]

As President, I'll withdraw all funding for Federal personnel at the old location. I'll get Canada to do the same. No Federal employees, no traffic crossing.

No 87,000 line forum post needed either.

[JonWylie]

Well you can @ least read a calendar, I'll give you that much.

Show me something in the last year that indicates they are still on track to build a second span. Everything people have said in this thread indicates a very small chance it ever gets done. He can build it for all I care, but back yourself up with some information

[Richard]

Do people think one just opens a box of legos and snaps a bridge together,read the conditions CV posted which contains lots of studies etc that goes on behind the scenes.

Look at the proposed new bridge,4 years later they are just now drilling to see if the soil even will support the foundations or how far down they need to go.

When we see a road crew out resurfacing or building a road we do not realize that process started years ago before even one shovel full of dirt was moved.

In the United States we have laws about the government directly competing with private business for good reason.

It does not matter what people say on this thread or does it lend credence that it will not happen.

The easiest thing to do is to send them an email and ask or call them.

[Gistok]

Do people think one just opens a box of legos and snaps a bridge together....

Oh ye of little faith....

[Richard]

^ okay I stand corrected lol

I am like an hour away from legoland,it’s pretty cool,everytime I go there it is like a whole new place,some pretty creative stuff with those little plastic blocks.

[RO_Resident]

Look at the proposed new bridge,4 years later they are just now drilling to see if the soil even will support the foundations or how far down they need to go.

There have been at least 2 rounds of boreholes for the bridge.

November 2008
http://www.partnershipborderstudy.co...stigations.pdf
http://www.nthconsultants.com/dric.html

2014
https://www.gordiehoweinternationalb...inter-friendly

The Gordie Howe folks have been working on this for ages. Not just 4 years later.

[Meddle]

In the United States we have laws about the government directly competing with private business for good reason.

And I maintain that NO International Border crossing should be owned or operated privately. I know people have said there are others, but ALL should be owned and operated jointly by the two countries.

[Richard]

^ agreed but in this case you have an old bridge that served it purpose and did not cost the taxpayers,built in the time before the anti compete became valid.

Then you have a new bridge that the US government said,why? There is already a bridge that cost US taxpayers nothing so why put up 3 billion unnecessarily when there are more pressing road projects in need of funding.

Or maybe they could not do anything because of the anti compete outside of buying the existing bridge then building a new one,which they could not get the numbers to work in order to hand the bill to the taxpayers.

So that may have been thier only opt out,Canada pays for the bridge circumventing the American anti compete aspect,Canada does not care if thier government competes with private enterprise.

Not to make it political but that is exactly what Chavez did in Venezuela,he had government food stores that under cut the farmers prices until they could not afford to produce and were forced to close the farms.

In turn the government controlled every aspect of the food supply,that is why we have anti compete laws.

The ideal situation would have been to buy out the ambassador and a joint cost split and ownership in order to build the new one.

People are focused on the bridge without zooming out,what happens when you build a easy access highway?Commence gravitates to it.

I still say the new bridge is a key promised aspect of the whole aero park thing and agree it was planned over 10 years ago.

Two other parts of the plan was the Detroit city airport and the fairgrounds property,thier future use was also decided over ten years ago.

Everything revolves around the new bridge,if it did not get built everything else was dead in the water,watch the Detroit city airport and fairgrounds battles heat up the closer it gets to the bridge being built.

http://www.detroitaero.org/

See any blue and red dots in the city of Detroit on the map?

http://www.detroitaero.org/properties/

[ABetterDetroit]

As the Republicans in Michigan again launch another bid to stop the Gordie Howe International Bridge, does not anyone else get sick and tired of politicians interfering in the economy of this state just to push the agenda of wealthy donors?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ge/1431671001/

Who financed this d bag from Milford is important.

http://mcfn.org/donor-tracking?candidate=121

[Honky Tonk]

As the Republicans in Michigan again launch another bid to stop the Gordie Howe International Bridge, does not anyone else get sick and tired of politicians interfering in the economy of this state just to push the agenda of wealthy donors?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ge/1431671001/

Who financed this d bag from Milford is important.

http://mcfn.org/donor-tracking?candidate=121

Yes, I'm also tired of politicians pushing the agenda of wealthy donors, whether its bridges, coliseums, or auto racing in public parks. It's also important to note that the Obama administration wouldn't provide funding for the Customs Plaza. You would think because of border security concerns, [[after all, this IS an international crossing and not just a Detroit thing) the Feds would have stepped up to the plate. Matt Murdock thinks like a small time street corner nickel bag dealer and not like someone who's politically savvy. "see a couple of cancelled checks", jeez.

[Richard]

According to the article and repeated several times,it is a Michigan and Canada thing and not considered an international crossing.

Maybe that is why Obama did not support it as a federal prospect?

You guys missed where they want to sell the airports,bridges and rails to Canada?

[Honky Tonk]

According to the article and repeated several times,it is a Michigan and Canada thing and not considered an international crossing.

Maybe that is why Obama did not support it as a federal prospect?

You guys missed where they want to sell the airports,bridges and rails to Canada?

Nonsense. USA's borders and security fall under Federal jurisdiction. The Ambassador Bridge and Detroit-Windsor tunnel are staffed with Federal employees. Customs, FDA, Homeland Security, and Immigration. Streets, areas near, and the straits themselves, are patrolled by Homeland Security and the Coast Guard. [[Disclaimer: I don't want to give the impression we're a buttoned down military compound) Given the Federal presence here, you'd think they would want to establish security from the ground floor up. I don't understand the logic. Yes, I read the part where Murdock wants to shed State involvement and turn it over to private ownership. My feelings are that that would be even more of a burden on taxpayers. Corporations have ways of writing off tax obligations. I must have missed the part about Canada being the interested party. Murdock is a shill for some corporate entity.

[rb336]

You guys missed where they want to sell the airports,bridges and rails to Canada?

Why don't you enlighten us with that documentation, oh wizard of nitwittedness.

[Richard]

Why don't you enlighten us with that documentation, oh wizard of nitwittedness.

How about you actually read the links provided and follow the sub links if you are really interested,if a documented 5000# safe fell out of the sky on you,you still would not get it.

[archfan]

How about you actually read the links provided and follow the sub links if you are really interested,if a documented 5000# safe fell out of the sky on you,you still would not get it.

This is the quote from the article. They want to sell the Blue Water Bridge, which happens to connect Port Huron to Canada. They aren't specifically selling to Canada.

The House plan also directs the state to solicit bids for potential sale of the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron to Canada, four state-owned airports, eight welcome centers and a rail line that runs between Grayling and Gaylord.

[Richard]

^ yes,and the potential sale of the blue water bridge part is highlighted,which when clicked on takes you here.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ow/1358416001/

[COLOR=rgba[[0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]The subcommittee is already aware of some parties interested in the bridge, including a group of investment funds,
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As of now they are all pretty much subsidized by the taxpayers and not showing profit.The bridge,which is co-owned with Canada,is reported as being covered by tolls but the airports and rails etc are not.

It is your sub committee,so ask them who the group of investment funds are and you get your answer,the state owns the assets currently and outside of the bridge they show not even covering operating costs.

Only governments can “invest” in things that do not require a return in investment.

Outside of selling a few trinkets to tourists,anybody got any ideas how one profits from a welcome center?

[rb336]

How about you actually read the links provided and follow the sub links if you are really interested,if a documented 5000# safe fell out of the sky on you,you still would not get it.

Where does it say "Canadians" or "Canada" as the interested party? And did you notice that one of the proponents of selling the bridge isMatt Maddock, the same moronic Moroun lapdog behind blocking the GHI funding?

Do you know the difference between reading and comprehending? Clearly, from virtually every post of yours I've seen, the answer is no.

[Richard]

Where does it say "Canadians" or "Canada" as the interested party? And did you notice that one of the proponents of selling the bridge isMatt Maddock, the same moronic Moroun lapdog behind blocking the GHI funding?

Do you know the difference between reading and comprehending? Clearly, from virtually every post of yours I've seen, the answer is no.

Anybody can read something and take it at face value,and some see things in black and white,I do not hold that against you on your mission,where you lose value is when you try and downgrade somebody else for your own deficiencies.

In the same time you came up that groundbreaking thought you could of picked up the phone and called your representative and asked him,do not be scared.

There is nobody in the city of Detroit or the state of Michigan [[public or private)that you cannot pick up a phone and respectfully call them with questions,you do not send them a text or email,old school,dial the number.

But it is much easier to just say he is a Moroun lapdog,if he is,it’s because you allow it,so accept the blame or accept the consequences without blaming others.You are just coming up with excuses for your own inaction.

There is no one singular action when it comes to cities and states and everything that happens is connected through cause and effect in the bigger picture,they are not working with narrow views and you end up with what you had when you do.

[Canadian Visitor]

On a different note.

The "Community Benefits Public Report" is out on the Gordie Howe Bridge website.

Link here: https://www.gordiehoweinternationalb...Electronic.pdf

The US benefits details start at Page 30.

Canadian benefits on Page 26.

[Richard]

Give me 5 billion in taxpayer monies and I will Trump all of that with 1 billion in community benefits.

What were the community benefits of Canada’s control over the existing tunnels?

If the ambassador shuts down that gives Canada control of two tunnels,and a bridge,makes sense to pick up the other one and have total control of an international border.

[Canadian Visitor]

Give me 5 billion in taxpayer monies and I will Trump all of that with 1 billion in community benefits.

What were the community benefits of Canada’s control over the existing tunnels?

If the ambassador shuts down that gives Canada control of two tunnels,and a bridge,makes sense to pick up the other one and have total control of an international border.

Canada doesn't control the existing tunnel? Where do you your BS from.

Windsor has owned a 50% interest for ages, as did Detroit.

Detroit sold its 50% to Syncora in 2013.

Syncora is a Bermudan company, not Canadian.

The City of Windsor btw....is a City, and not the Federal government of Canada.

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You never tire of publishing false information here.