Environmentalism / Global Warming

[Papasito]

"Do as I say, not as I do"
~ The United States Government



Governments do not intend to actually FIX the planet because there is no money in it.

[Danny]

Of coarse, So much for the EPA and Clean Air Act. So much for Earth Day. Global Warming is here and its not a myth. Forests are being deforested. Ozone layer is depleting. Animals species are becoming endangered and possibly extinct. Our blue sky has become a brown sky. Polar Ice Caps will be melting. Storms are getting violent. Our seas are becoming dead seas. Our lands are becomes a wastelands. Man are beginning to hate the Earth and all its beauty. Man wants to leave it for a bigger and better planet.

[Papasito]

Another example of how Government could do something about treating the Earth like a garbage dump, but doesn't : THE PACIFIC GARBAGE PATCH

THE PROBLEM:




THE SOLUTION:

A 19-YEAR-OLD environmentalist, Boyan Slat, may just have found the solution to rid the ocean of plastic and garbage.An organisation founded by Slat, The Ocean Cleanup, has devised a machine that exploits natural ocean currents and winds, which transports garbage towards a collection spot.Solid floating barriers are used to concentrate the trash from the ocean, reducing the risk of wildlife entanglement — a common occurrence when using nets to clean up rubbish.

Slat tested his machine at the Azores Islands before confirming the capture and concentration potential of the floating barriers, after which the trash and plastics are removed mechanically and recycled.

The Ocean Cleanup conducted a year-long scientific research and recently released a feasibility report concluding that the method deployed are both technically and financially viable.It can reportedly reduce the content of plastic in the infamous Great Pacific Garbage Patch by almost 50% within 10 years — an attempt that was deemed impossible in the past.

http://www.therakyatpost.com/life/20...h-save-oceans/

[rb336]

"Do as I say, not as I do"
~ The United States Government



Governments do not intend to actually FIX the planet because there is no money in it.

More like "Government - Do as we say. Or Else." -Multinational Corporations

[Jimaz]

Papasito, you may not yet have recognized that the Koch brothers are exploiting you but there is still time to save yourself. You can do it, I have faith in your strength to escape.

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Get out more.

[Danny]

Read Rod Sterling's book and his movie.

"A town has turn to dust."

Then you will see what happen to Earth about 200 years from now.

[Papasito]

Instead of slamming big bad America every single day, day in and day out, let's look at CHINA for a true comparison and realize WHERE THE ATTENTION SHOULD TRULY BE DIRECTED AT

Environmentalists should be raging mad at the #1 polluter on the Earth -

[rb336]

Instead of slamming big bad America every single day, day in and day out, let's look at CHINA for a true comparison and realize WHERE THE ATTENTION SHOULD TRULY BE DIRECTED AT

Environmentalists should be raging mad at the #1 polluter on the Earth -

thank you again for your simplistic view. Yes, China churns out 6.018 million tons of greenhouse gases per yearyear. In a country of 1.325 billion people. Roughly 9 pounds per person. The US is #2 at 5.833 million tons per year with 310,000,000 or over 37 tons per person. roughly FOUR TIMES China's per capita rate.

China also is creating renewable energy infrastructure at the fastest rate in the world while here Republicans are rushing to tax and/or outlaw people who install solar on their homes or business and/or leave the grid

[MizMotown]

Keystone XL [[oil pipeline from Canada to Nebraska) will make climate change worse


http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nge-worse.html

[rb336]

Keystone XL [[oil pipeline from Canada to Nebraska) will make climate change worse


http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nge-worse.html

it's supposed to be through Nebraska to Texas, but they need to get eminent domain to build it.

and, of course, the tea party types never talk about that

[Jimaz]

Episode 1/4: Carbon

• GreenWorldRising.org

[gazhekwe]

Keystone goes right over the Ogalala Aquifer, which is already quite challenged. Who needs any more trouble?

[Jimaz]

Keystone goes right over the Ogalala Aquifer, which is already quite challenged. Who needs any more trouble?

If You Think the Water Crisis Can't Get Worse, Wait Until the Aquifers Are Drained: We're pumping irreplaceable groundwater to counter the drought. When it's gone, the real crisis begins.

Aquifers provide us freshwater that makes up for surface water lost from drought-depleted lakes, rivers, and reservoirs. We are drawing down these hidden, mostly nonrenewable groundwater supplies at unsustainable rates in the western United States and in several dry regions globally, threatening our future.

The Ogallala aquifer is why a lot of Republican Nebraska farmers are getting agitated against Keystone XL. They have a historic vested interest in that water. There's not much money to be made in Nebraska without water.

[old guy]

If You Think the Water Crisis Can't Get Worse, Wait Until the Aquifers Are Drained: We're pumping irreplaceable groundwater to counter the drought. When it's gone, the real crisis begins.The Ogallala aquifer is why a lot of Republican Nebraska farmers are getting agitated against Keystone XL. They have a historic vested interest in that water. There's not much money to be made in Nebraska without water.

And really no benefit to the U.S. other than a small group of greedy individuals. That crap is being sent from Canada [[who doesn't want it to cross through their country to the west coast,) to the gulf to be exported to China, We don;t even use that grade of oil.

[gazhekwe]

Support the Cowboy Indian Alliance and Idle No More. As Natives is it our sworn mission to protect the Water we all live on. And don't forget how fracking is converting millions of gallons of our water to poisonous waste that must be disposed of somewhere. We suspect fracking waste is being surreptitiously dumped in the Upper Peninsula, as waste haulers have been seen crossing north into the UP on Mighty Mac. Let's don't forget the Detroit area landfill, Wayne Disposal, that is currently licensed and is receiving radioactive fracking waste from Pennsylvania. Protect our water. How will it be when all our water is poisoned?

http://rejectandprotect.org/

https://www.facebook.com/IdleNoMoreCommunity

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...racking-waste/

[rb336]

And really no benefit to the U.S. other than a small group of greedy individuals. That crap is being sent from Canada [[who doesn't want it to cross through their country to the west coast,) to the gulf to be exported to China, We don;t even use that grade of oil.

I believe the Canadian govt. wanted that route, but the First Nations groups would not allow it to cross their lands

[Papasito]

Keystone XL [[oil pipeline from Canada to Nebraska) will make climate change worse


http://www.newscientist.com/article/...nge-worse.html

But sending it across the globe in guzzling super tankers is more environmentally friendly?

China also is creating renewable energy infrastructure at the fastest rate in the world while here Republicans are rushing to tax and/or outlaw people who install solar on their homes or business and/or leave the grid

Yeah right. China the environmentally friendly. Ahead of the USA. All your response is is a smash against the political party that opposes your views, and discounts China as a threat to the planet. Typical partisan nonsense.

Here's a comparison of the polluted rivers of Asia VS Europe:


Pollution beyond the scope of any American is the daily way of life in China



Keep bashing American political parties. That will fix things and save us all.

Just go to a Chinese beach and learn how wonderful and clean it is there!
After all, you said
"China also is creating renewable energy infrastructure at the fastest rate in the world"
So obviously they have a culture to put NATURE first.

[rb336]

Papa, why is everything so black and white? If everything I said was "smash against the political party that opposes your views" it is only because that party is against FACTS.

"discounts China as a threat to the planet"

Mentioning the fact that we pollute far more on a per capita basis in terms of greenhouse gases doesn't excuse China's pollution. Pointing out that they are doing something BETTER than we are isn't excusing their ills either. Of course our rivers and lakes are cleaner - now. Thanks to the clean water act and other such legislation that someone on the right has proposed getting rid of every year since they were enacted.[[that MAY be an exaggeration, but not much of one)

[old guy]

I have to agree with rb on this one too.
As someone that fought for the clean air and clean water acts, I think it's time to update rather than allow them to be abolished or reduce them and rethink what's going on. Don't be lax about them but possibly accept the fact that we're lapsing into a period where groundwater is being compromised and stolen by large corporations at the same time and should be readdressed. This is not a time for complacency.
We can only hope that China will realize its own problems and right its wrongs. We need to deal with what's going on in our own country.
Between how we're ruining our own fresh water by fracking and allowing Nestle to diminish our drinking water, we have a large problem to deal with.

[Zacha341]

^^^ What's Nestle doing to our water?

This for example?:

The company [Nestle] dominates nearly a third of the lucrative US bottled water market^[23] with seven domestically-produced subsidiary brands [[including Arrowhead Springs, Calistoga and Poland Spring)—making Nestlé a key contributor to one of today’s most significant environmental threats. That is, US consumers purchase about 28 billion bottles of water every year, but recycle only about 23 percent of the plastic petroleum-based containers used for water or soda. The rest end up polluting roadsides, landfills and oceans, and leach toxins into ecosystems while taking about a millennium to degrade.<sup>[24]

http://www.foodispower.org/water-usage-privatization/</sup>

[rb336]

^^^ What's Nestle doing to our water?

This for example?:

The company [Nestle] dominates nearly a third of the lucrative US bottled water market^[23] with seven domestically-produced subsidiary brands [[including Arrowhead Springs, Calistoga and Poland Spring)—making Nestlé a key contributor to one of today’s most significant environmental threats. That is, US consumers purchase about 28 billion bottles of water every year, but recycle only about 23 percent of the plastic petroleum-based containers used for water or soda. The rest end up polluting roadsides, landfills and oceans, and leach toxins into ecosystems while taking about a millennium to degrade.<sup>[24]

http://www.foodispower.org/water-usage-privatization/</sup>

I am not a fan of Nestle, but a majority of the water bottled in MI stays in the Great Lakes basin.

[old guy]

I agree with most of your posts rb. But The Nestle Company are really Bad Ass, greedy individuals with motives that change as they settle into a region. I mean, they are really bad.
I live in a small corner of this country that somehow had a small grassroots movement of about 40 or 50 people that after about 2 years managed to keep them from moving in and sinking wells. It was unprecedented. Unfortunately for you they left and headed for Michigan where they were able to settle in. If Gov. Walker had been in office at that time I'm sure he would have found them a loophole.

Nestle in Michigan - YouTube

I stream videos from Netflix and there's a documentary, Bottled Life that is primarily about Nestle. To me it's a jaw dropping documentary. In parts of it, it shows how they're going into third world countries, drilling extremely deep wells and extracting so much water that the average peoples wells dry up. The upper class sink deep wells and are fine. The lower class can't afford to drill these types of wells and no longer have access to clean water. They either have to drink polluted water from rivers or buy bottled water from Nestle. People are unable to sustain life in this situation and disease is rampant. Profits for Nestle are incredible in these situations. Water actually costs more than food. Farming is almost impossible.
I would highly recommend watching this documentary because it is quite possibly the future we are all facing.
What they are doing in Maine is what could possibly be what they are planning for Michigan and other great watersheds across this country in the future.
These are really bad people!
REPORT: Nestle Threatens Fresh Water Supply - YouTube

I would really recommend watching the video Bottled Life.

[Jimaz]

Bottled Life

[Jimaz]

Since it applies to Michigan specifically, this should be emphasized:

Attachment 24283
Nestle in Michigan

Clip from the movie FLOW - For The Love Of Water, subject of the clip, Nestle in Michigan. Protect our Water!

Thanks, old guy.

• FLOW - For The Love Of Water

[rb336]

MCWC won that one battle. The best thing about that is it brought to light many of Nestle's tactics and a number of communities have denied permits for similar operations.

This is one area where I believe the left and the right can agree on a big restriction amendment.