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    Default U.S. Rep. John Conyers calls Detroit water shutoffs inhumane

    From today's Free Press: U.S. Rep. John Conyers calls Detroit water shutoffs inhumane
    Days after a coalition of welfare rights organizations appealed to the United Nations for relief with Detroit water shutoffs, U.S. Rep. John Conyers today condemned the practice by the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department....

    “Detroit’s water crisis did not happen in a vacuum,” Conyers said in a statement this evening. “Over the past decade, Detroiters have seen their water rates increase by 119%....

    A coalition of welfare rights organizations — including the Detroit People’s Water Board — appealed to the United Nations to have service restored to customers and to prevent more shutoffs....

    “Sick people have been left without running water and working toilets,” the report states. “People recovering from surgery cannot wash and change bandages. Children cannot bathe and parents cannot cook.”...

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    Enough is enough, I recieve my water through the city, I get my bill every other month, I think that is ample enough time to know you have to pay, and if payment has not been made, than some knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Days after a coalition of welfare rights organizations appealed to the United Nations for relief with Detroit water shutoffs, U.S. Rep. John Conyers today condemned the practice by the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department....

    “Detroit’s water crisis did not happen in a vacuum,” Conyers said in a statement this evening. “Over the past decade, Detroiters have seen their water rates increase by 119%....

    A coalition of welfare rights organizations — including the Detroit People’s Water Board — appealed to the United Nations to have service restored to customers and to prevent more shutoffs....

    “Sick people have been left without running water and working toilets,” the report states. “People recovering from surgery cannot wash and change bandages. Children cannot bathe and parents cannot cook.”...From today's Free Press: U.S. Rep. John Conyers calls Detroit water shutoffs inhumane
    I understand he's clearly suffering from dementia if not outright alzhiemers, and this is probably like asking a toddler this question.. but I wonder if anyone at the freep thought to ask him if; perhaps, having 150,000 delinquent customers and nearly $118 million in outstanding bills just MIGHT have a little to do with a huge chunk of that increase?
    Last edited by bailey; June-25-14 at 12:34 PM.

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    And there folks, you have the reason Detroit is in the state it's in. "gimme, gimme, gimme", and for free. Talk about privileged......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
    And there folks, you have the reason Detroit is in the state it's in. "gimme, gimme, gimme", and for free. Talk about privileged......

    Let the old people dehydrate!

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    I might not have such a problem with the shutoffs if there weren't such big players in heavy arrears. Seems to me asking the DMC, Ford Field and other major skinflints to pay up first might have made this more palatable for me.

    As usual, these days, there's one law for them, another law for us.

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    the price of water in Detroit is too high!!! Conyers and his liberal ilk are part of the reason the City got so screwed up.... the water system is a sieve and water is being wasted all over the place, spilling from open sources... its sad that we live so close to the largest fresh was supply in the world but pay some of the highest prices for water.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nain rouge View Post
    Let the old people dehydrate! [/COLOR]
    Maybe YOU could pay some of their bills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroitnerd View Post
    I might not have such a problem with the shutoffs if there weren't such big players in heavy arrears. Seems to me asking the DMC, Ford Field and other major skinflints to pay up first might have made this more palatable for me.

    As usual, these days, there's one law for them, another law for us.
    Is there proof these "skinflints" aren't paying? Has the media bothered contacting the major players and asking them "What's up with that?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honky Tonk View Post
    Is there proof these "skinflints" aren't paying? Has the media bothered contacting the major players and asking them "What's up with that?"
    Yes, it's documented. In April, a WDIV Channel 4 segment reported on the biggest offenders included Joe Louis Arena ($80,000 - Ilitch), Ford Field ($55,000 - the Fords), Palmer Park Golf Club ($200,000 - Detroit city royalty). But without the threat of shutting off water, how do you get the big players to abide by the rules we expect of our poorest?

    Nope, it's one law for them, another for the rest of us. No wonder Detroiters don't pay their bills; the crooks up top are setting the tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroitnerd View Post
    Yes, it's documented. In April, a WDIV Channel 4 segment reported on the biggest offenders included Joe Louis Arena ($80,000 - Ilitch), Ford Field ($55,000 - the Fords), Palmer Park Golf Club ($200,000 - Detroit city royalty). But without the threat of shutting off water, how do you get the big players to abide by the rules we expect of our poorest?

    Nope, it's one law for them, another for the rest of us. No wonder Detroiters don't pay their bills; the crooks up top are setting the tone.
    So, you're focusing on a sliver ($335,000) of $118,000,000 in bills? I'd say the other $117,665,000 warrant a bit more of your attention...

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.p.3 View Post
    So, you're focusing on a sliver ($335,000) of $118,000,000 in bills? I'd say the other $117,665,000 warrant a bit more of your attention...
    I would think making those with obvious means and large outstanding bills actually bring their accounts current is an easy place to start, and its not necessarily an "either or" proposition.

    I'd also like to see how many folks with accounts in arrears magically find the means to work out a payment plan if faced with a shut off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonkyTonk
    Maybe YOU could pay some of their bills?

    Look, I understand the need to have people pay their bills, but we need to show compassion for our elderly. What do you want someone in their 80s that can't afford the water bill to do? Get a job at McDonald's?

    If you're young and just thought you could get away without paying, then that's a different story. But we need to make distinctions. Many people in Detroit's rougher neighborhoods are older folks that can't afford to move.

    And yes, I'd willingly give away some of my money to help pay for the water bills of the impoverished elderly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honky Tonk View Post
    And there folks, you have the reason Detroit is in the state it's in. "gimme, gimme, gimme", and for free. Talk about privileged......
    Entitlement behavior has to stop.....most, if not all other municipalities shut-off water after 30-days of non-payment. Apparently, people outside of Detroit have been treated inhumanely for decades.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smirnoff View Post
    Entitlement behavior has to stop.....most, if not all other municipalities shut-off water after 30-days of non-payment. Apparently, people outside of Detroit have been treated inhumanely for decades.....
    There's plenty of entitlement everywhere. This is America, Jack. Entitlement is where you look for it, from Wall Street to Washington, D.C., to the subsidized lawns and highways of Oakland County. We only shame it when the poor benefit from it.

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    I am sure all the people who are in arrears are not 80yrs old. Ok I agree, a little compasion for the elderly and indigent. But come on, if you are able body, pay the bill. Also agree with going after the big guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.p.3 View Post
    So, you're focusing on a sliver ($335,000) of $118,000,000 in bills? I'd say the other $117,665,000 warrant a bit more of your attention...
    I crunched numbers today. I may write up a blog post later, but the numbers make no sense according to everything I have seen available. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...d_to_help.html This article is terrible, but links to a Freep article quoting the $118M number, as well as the report from some activist water people who have plenty of unsourced information. If you go read through, their number of delinquent non-residential customers HAS to be way off. 83k delinquent residential customers x $540 average bill only accounts for $45M. And according to what that report says, the non-residential customers only owe like $36M delinquent. Basically none of the numbers match, however the $45M from residential customers seems to be fairly accurate from what I can see. They actually cited that information, unlike the non-residential numbers.

    I think the bigger issue we run into is the "inhumane shutoff" of 3,025 delinquent accounts (out of 44,273) is less than 10% of delinquent accounts being shutoff. That means roughly 41k people either entered a payment plan, squared up their bills, or were able to get assistance to get their bills right.

    DWSD should focus on shutting off non-residential delinquent accounts that are past due more than 60 days. Residential delinquent accounts should be handled with a little bit more care, as these are humans beings in residences. What we don't need is Canadian Water Project People sending crap to the UN about how we're a third world country and this is the worst thing ever. 3,000 delinquent customers (without access to the cited report, I can't tell you how many of those 3,000 accounts were residential) out of 44,000+ shows that 41,000 people were able to get their stuff straight, and this issue is definitely much much deeper than "inhumane" and "trying to murder poors".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroitnerd View Post
    Yes, it's documented. In April, a WDIV Channel 4 segment reported on the biggest offenders included Joe Louis Arena ($80,000 - Ilitch), Ford Field ($55,000 - the Fords), Palmer Park Golf Club ($200,000 - Detroit city royalty). But without the threat of shutting off water, how do you get the big players to abide by the rules we expect of our poorest?

    Nope, it's one law for them, another for the rest of us. No wonder Detroiters don't pay their bills; the crooks up top are setting the tone.

    Then I would really like an answer why the water hasn't been shut off to Ford Field or Palmer Park Golf Course having not paid their water bill. (not meaning you) You have to remember though, the shut-offs all received multiple warnings ahead of time, and made no effort to contact the DWSD, or arrange to make payments, one of the stipulations for shut-off. Secondly, the number of shut-offs isn't all old or poor people as the article or the "Welfare Rights" group is leading people to believe. According to DWSD, a majority of the shut-offs were abandoned homes and businesses. It looks like Conyers has found a way to get re-elected as a write-in candidate. Maybe MMuckraker, or one of the more reliable news sources could do a more concise follow up story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detroitnerd View Post
    Yes, it's documented. In April, a WDIV Channel 4 segment reported on the biggest offenders included Joe Louis Arena ($80,000 - Ilitch), Ford Field ($55,000 - the Fords), Palmer Park Golf Club ($200,000 - Detroit city royalty). But without the threat of shutting off water, how do you get the big players to abide by the rules we expect of our poorest?

    Nope, it's one law for them, another for the rest of us. No wonder Detroiters don't pay their bills; the crooks up top are setting the tone.
    I sincerely doubt that the Fords and Ilitches don't pay their water bills. Having reasonably current bills totalling $55k or $80k is quite possible. If you want to paint these guys are 'offenders', then you should include a list of their most recent payments, and the dates.

    So from another angle... do you think its possible that Ilitch and Ford don't have the proper documentation, or are disputing bills from DWS. I can tell you from personal experience that getting any information from them about anything in impossible.

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    Martin Lukacs in The Guardian is associating this issue with Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine.

    Detroit's Water War: a tap shut-off that could impact 300,000 people: A right-wing state and corporate push to cut off water is economic shock therapy at its most ruthless and racist, but resistance is growing
    It was six in the morning when city contractors showed up unannounced at Charity Hicks' house.

    Since spring, up to 3000 Detroit households per week have been getting their water shut-off – for owing as little as $150 or two months in bills. Now it was the turn of Charity's block – and the contractor wouldn't stand to wait an hour for her pregnant neighbour to fill up some jugs.

    "Where's your water termination notice?" Charity demanded, after staggering to the contractor's truck. A widely-respected African-American community leader, she has been at the forefront of campaigns to ensure Detroiters' right to public, accessible water.

    The contractor's answer was to drive away, knocking Charity over and injuring her leg. Two white policemen soon arrived – not to take her report, but to arrest her. Mocking Charity for questioning the water shut-offs, they brought her to jail, where she spent two days before being released without charge....

    The official rationale for the water shut-downs – the Detroit Water Department's need to recoup millions – collapses on inspection....

    The targetting of Detroit families is about something else. It is a ruthless case of the shock doctrine – the exploitation of natural or unnatural shocks of crisis to push through pro-corporate policies that couldn't happen in any other circumstance....

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    I think everyone who owes money for their water and is facing a shutoff, should have the debt forgiven if:
    1) They test negative for drugs, alcohol and tobacco.
    2) Do not have cable/satellite television, video games, or a smart phone.
    3) Have not committed a felony in the last 5 years.
    4) If a male: are not behind on court-ordered child support; if a female: have no minor children without a father's name on the birth certificate.

    In other words, of you are a responsible adult citizen, you can get a one time forgiven water debt. Oh my! More right-wing hate from me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyinBrooklyn View Post
    I think everyone who owes money for their water and is facing a shutoff, should have the debt forgiven if:

    In other words, of you are a responsible adult citizen, you can get a one time forgiven water debt. Oh my! More right-wing hate from me!
    Well at least you were honest enough to call it hate. Can bigots like you go a day without stereotyping the urban poor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSUguy View Post
    Well at least you were honest enough to call it hate. Can bigots like you go a day without stereotyping the urban poor?
    No, we can't. By the way, if what I wrote has no basis in truth, then don't worry. Everyone will qualify to be forgiven their water debt. If it does have a basis in truth, I am trying to point out that the water bill isn't actually the problem they have in paying their bills. Loudly retending to care, like many (certainly not all) people on the left do, does not actually hpelp anyone. Calling on people to fix problems in their lives that they can fix is a good start. No one has ever left poverty without taking on responsible adulthood. Not calling on people to step up- with or without help- condescendingly keeps them in permanent poverty. If every poor person in Detroit were handed $1M in cash, I am absolutely certain that a year from today, most would still be poor. Why? Because they would not have adapted to a life of work and discipline and good decision-making. THAT is how you break the cycle of poverty. And we can help people out with some assistance and advice, but the ultimate solution is internal. You can't un-poverty somebody else without their own effort.
    Last edited by MikeyinBrooklyn; June-25-14 at 07:06 PM.

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