Heidelberg Project House burns

[Shollin]

So you're not going to answer my basic question. I think I got my answer.

[compn]

tyree never owned the property as far as i can tell.

[Islandman]

So you're not going to answer my basic question. I think I got my answer.

Seriously, you're on the damn internet. Google is your friend.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1998/08/guy-a20.html

[Shollin]

Seriously, you're on the damn internet. Google is your friend.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1998/08/guy-a20.html

It was a rhetorical question.

[southen]

So does the artist own the property or not? if he doesn't, then he's no different than the taggers. What message is the city sending if they allow this project to stay, allow tagging in the Dequindre cut, but then bust taggers everywhere else?

you piss and moan just for the sake of pissing and moaning. he's no different than taggers? like his art or not, he took blighted properties and tried to make something interesting and beautiful out of it. he then started art and education programs to help out the city's youth. a lot of taggers doing that? is tyree out there marking up occupied buildings or writing his name repeatedly around town for the fun of it? no clue whatsoever.

also, just so you are aware, many of the paintings in the cut were commissioned, not the work of vandals. the murals in the dequindre cut arent causing graffiti all over the city and unlike you most people know the difference between the two.

[RickBeall]

I always liked the Heidelberg project, but I didn't like it when Tyree banned picture taking.

[gumby]

I know it is not the most popular opinion here which is why I held back from saying it for so long but good riddance. I know it has brought in some people to look at it but it is an eyesore. It is nothing more than stacked trash, polka dots painted on abandoned houses, and water logged stuffed animals stapled to various surfaces. There is absolutely no redeeming qualities to the Heidelberg Project. I actually question the sanity and intelligence of the people who like it. Sorry that is just the way I feel.

[canuck]

I know it is not the most popular opinion here which is why I held back from saying it for so long but good riddance. I know it has brought in some people to look at it but it is an eyesore. It is nothing more than stacked trash, polka dots painted on abandoned houses, and water logged stuffed animals stapled to various surfaces. There is absolutely no redeeming qualities to the Heidelberg Project. I actually question the sanity and intelligence of the people who like it. Sorry that is just the way I feel.

I know where you are coming from on this and you make sense like others who dismiss the project per se. It is not an embellishment or a rehab or a gentrifying gesture. But think about it not being there for a moment, just imagine having the 80 or so thousand properties left vacant and charred on the vast city grid without a single strong statement about the distress.

I dont like interpreting other artists' work, but I think that the gesture is important, it is not ruin porn to my mind.

One sculptor who died too young in the seventies was Gordon Matta Clark. Thsi guy's work was really powerful and engaging. It also was done with houses slated for demo.

[marshamusic]

I always liked the Heidelberg project, but I didn't like it when Tyree banned picture taking.

I've taken lots of pictures there. When did he do that?

[Zacha341]

What such prohibition? I was there less than two months ago and observed a yellow school buses of high school teens snapping away from two different school districts - one being a DPS school. For the 'purpose' of learning photography with their instructor.

Tyree was there was there very friendly. I took a few photos the same day...

[ddaydetroit]

Over the past 25 years I have worked with people from all over the world and they have always taken more pictures and had a bigger smile at the Heidelberg project then at the DIA and to me that speaks volumes.

[Shollin]

I really don't get the appeal. It's like Bozo the Clown meets hoarders.

[Islandman]

It was a rhetorical question.

If you keep whining looking for an answer, it's no longer a rhetorical question.

[poobert]

I don't really mind the Heidelberg Project. In fact, I used to love it, but isn't it getting a bit tired and worn out? I mean, the dude has been hanging up stuffed animals and throwing shoes around for 30 freaking years now. Is he really an artist, or is he doing it for the publicity? Most artists evolve and grow in their styles and techniques. Or I guess you could just put polka dots everywhere for half a century.

[ddaydetroit]

The Europeans I worked with I also traveled to some of their countries and they showed me there museums and they put the DIA to shame IMO. They had never seen anything like the Heidelberg project and they were totaly fascinated by it

[Shollin]

If you keep whining looking for an answer, it's no longer a rhetorical question.

I was talking to another poster and trying to make a point that the artist doesn't own the property since the other poster seems to evade that aspect.

[Islandman]

I get it. And yes, everyone knows he doesn't. And yes, again, he used to go putting paint dots all over town on abandoned property. Known history.

[Django]

I stop by the Heidelberg on a regular basis and for many years, I'm constantly watching it evolve. You dont need a brush and paint or a chunk of clay to create something beautiful. Funny thing is the haters just bring more interest to the whole story. Most likely the Heidelberg wouldnt be a worldwide attraction if were not for people like these and those on city council who had much of it torn down years ago therefore getting it the great press it deserves. I had much the same situation while stacking rocks on Belle Isle. If it were not for three the women who made a big stink about them I wouldnt have gotten the attention I did back in the early 00's.

I also noticed all but one opponent of the Heidelberg on this thread actually lives in Detroit. Honky Tonk is the only one who lives in Detroit that opposes the project. Im going by their profiles of what they claim as where they reside. I just find that interesting thats all

[Shollin]

I stop by the Heidelberg on a regular basis and for many years, I'm constantly watching it evolve. You dont need a brush and paint or a chunk of clay to create something beautiful. Funny thing is the haters just bring more interest to the whole story. Most likely the Heidelberg wouldnt be a worldwide attraction if were not for people like these and those on city council who had much of it torn down years ago therefore getting it the great press it deserves. I had much the same situation while stacking rocks on Belle Isle. If it were not for three the women who made a big stink about them I wouldnt have gotten the attention I did back in the early 00's.

I also noticed all but one opponent of the Heidelberg on this thread actually lives in Detroit. Honky Tonk is the only one who lives in Detroit that opposes the project. Im going by their profiles of what they claim as where they reside. I just find that interesting thats all

I just don't understand why this gets a pass and tagging does not. Who is determining what is art and what is vandalism?

No I don't live in Detroit anymore. I don't want to live in a place where junk thrown in empty lots is called art. This would definitely not fly in the suburbs. Yet council gets criticized now for previously wanting to remove garbage thrown on city property under the guise of art.

[Django]

Heidelberg does not just look like junk was just thrown in a lot. The lawns are mowed, the street is safer than any in the area, a lot of care has gone into this effort even though you consider it junk. Walk five blocks and see if you find a more active block, hell you could go 15 blocks if you dont count the traffic on Gratiot. Detroit has long been due for a comeback and its not going to come overnight. You cant expect taggers to disperse because the DPD says in the Freep theres a new crackdown. If there is a key to rebuilding this city its going to start with people who who dont mind taking over a squalid part of the city and making what they can with it. Look at Greenwich Village NYC, the place was a ghetto until artists moved in. Snap your fingers a few more times and see what happens. A beautiful place to live is a key to bringing in people to live and work, Tyree has made a small but beautiful niche in this city which many believe in. The Corridor when I first moved in 20 yrs ago was a mess but artists kept moving in but look at it now. You can stay up in Sterling Heights and armchair whats good for us but remember you gave up on us and you have to admit, Detroit is on the upswing right now after dozens of years. Do you see any tagging going on in the Heidelberg? They wouldnt dare.

[Honky Tonk]

I stop by the Heidelberg on a regular basis and for many years, I'm constantly watching it evolve. You dont need a brush and paint or a chunk of clay to create something beautiful. Funny thing is the haters just bring more interest to the whole story. Most likely the Heidelberg wouldnt be a worldwide attraction if were not for people like these and those on city council who had much of it torn down years ago therefore getting it the great press it deserves. I had much the same situation while stacking rocks on Belle Isle. If it were not for three the women who made a big stink about them I wouldnt have gotten the attention I did back in the early 00's.

I also noticed all but one opponent of the Heidelberg on this thread actually lives in Detroit. Honky Tonk is the only one who lives in Detroit that opposes the project. Im going by their profiles of what they claim as where they reside. I just find that interesting thats all

"Honky Tonk is the only one who lives in Detroit that opposes the project." Hello, I can hear you, you know. WHAT "project" do I oppose? I drive by Heidelberg regularly, during the course of business, and I see kids with cameras taking photos all the time. If Tyree DID impose a photography ban, it certainly doesn't appear it's being enforced. What DID happen to the "rock stacking" project by the CG station? I actually took kids there from my old 'hood, met the artist, and they stacked some rocks with his help. Great fun and I thought it looked cool. Somewhere in my archives is a photo shoot I did of it in it's heyday.

[Shollin]

Heidelberg does not just look like junk was just thrown in a lot. The lawns are mowed, the street is safer than any in the area, a lot of care has gone into this effort even though you consider it junk. Walk five blocks and see if you find a more active block, hell you could go 15 blocks if you dont count the traffic on Gratiot. Detroit has long been due for a comeback and its not going to come overnight. You cant expect taggers to disperse because the DPD says in the Freep theres a new crackdown. If there is a key to rebuilding this city its going to start with people who who dont mind taking over a squalid part of the city and making what they can with it. Look at Greenwich Village NYC, the place was a ghetto until artists moved in. Snap your fingers a few more times and see what happens. A beautiful place to live is a key to bringing in people to live and work, Tyree has made a small but beautiful niche in this city which many believe in. The Corridor when I first moved in 20 yrs ago was a mess but artists kept moving in but look at it now. You can stay up in Sterling Heights and armchair whats good for us but remember you gave up on us and you have to admit, Detroit is on the upswing right now after dozens of years. Do you see any tagging going on in the Heidelberg? They wouldnt dare.

It doesn't look better than the rest of the neighborhood. Where in Greenwich Village is there a bunch of multi colored junk piled in an entire block of vacant lots? This project has been around for about 15 years but the neighborhood hasn't improved. Obviously this "beautiful" block hasn't brought anyone to the area.

Actually I live in Warren now. Warren is a good city to armchair Detroit's issues. Warren like Detroit has lost significant population yet Warren doesn't have things like the Heidelberg because they have a dedicated blight enforcement that would fine people for piling their junk on city property. Also don't have some of the highest crime in the country and can keep the streetlights on without a state subsidy. It's kind of hard to sell me on this Detroit upswing when the city lost 25% of its population this past decade, has its highest homicide rate ever, and the city is bankrupt. When I lived in Detroit in the 90's, the population was still around a million and had numerous middle class neighborhoods and things were getting built like the stadiums and casinos.

[gumby]

I stop by the Heidelberg on a regular basis and for many years, I'm constantly watching it evolve. You dont need a brush and paint or a chunk of clay to create something beautiful.

No but you do need to actually create something beautiful not a bunch of neatly arrainged trash. There is nothing beautiful about the Heidelberg Project. There is a lot of art that I don't like but can see the merits of. You mentioned the rock stacking while it isn't my thing but at least it somewhat resembles art. To me Tyree Guyton is just a step above the guy who pisses in a jar and calls it art.

I also noticed all but one opponent of the Heidelberg on this thread actually lives in Detroit. Honky Tonk is the only one who lives in Detroit that opposes the project. Im going by their profiles of what they claim as where they reside. I just find that interesting thats all

Why does this matter? Just because I live in Flint I am not allowed to have an opinion? Sorry for giving a shit about "your" city.

[Honky Tonk]

No but you do need to actually create something beautiful not a bunch of neatly arrainged trash. There is nothing beautiful about the Heidelberg Project. There is a lot of art that I don't like but can see the merits of. You mentioned the rock stacking while it isn't my thing but at least it somewhat resembles art. To me Tyree Guyton is just a step above the guy who pisses in a jar and calls it art.




Why does this matter? Just because I live in Flint I am not allowed to have an opinion? Sorry for giving a shit about "your" city.

I'd STILL like to know WHAT "project" it is, I oppose??????

[gumby]

I'd STILL like to know WHAT "project" it is, I oppose??????

Yeah and I don't really oppose it either. I just think it is worthless and am not saddened by the burning of the house. The only thing about this story that annoys me is the act of arson.