Independence Day 2009

**Bobl** · July-04-09, 03:59 PM

Thank You, to all of the forum contributors who have served their country in the armed forces and in the peace corps.
Political talk from politicians is cheap. Those who have walked the walk are the ones who have kept this experiment going.
Thanks, people.

Please bump or sign on....

**gibran** · July-04-09, 05:30 PM

Happy Fourth of July to all that served or were families that served...but serving our country comes in many forms and for that we all are touched by the day to day strength of our country...Also remember our countries strength also lies in it's diversity and different cultures brought together for a dream that is bigger than politics.

May we stay free of foreign lobbies and influences...and work to adhere to values that have been at time elusive and at times actualized in our constitution.

and may we all have a burger, a beer and enjoy the fireworks in Detroit's Tiger Stadium...

DetroitDad · July-04-09, 06:22 PM

Honorable BUMP

ccbatson · July-04-09, 10:41 PM

Celebrating the original independence on the cusp of a need for another similar revolution in support of liberty being stolen by collectivists.

**Bobl** · July-05-09, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Celebrating the original independence on the cusp of a need for another similar revolution in support of liberty being stolen by collectivists.

Can you just get off your soapbox once, give credit to out veterans, and shut the f... up?!

ccbatson · July-05-09, 09:26 PM

I very much give them credit and encourage everyone to engender the spirit of freedom that motivated them to provide American's with our Independence and prosperity which we must again reclaim.

Lorax · July-05-09, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

I very much give them credit and encourage everyone to engender the spirit of freedom that motivated them to provide American's with our Independence and prosperity which we must again reclaim.

Said while standing on a pedestal.

So lofty it's as if he shits marble.

**jams** · July-05-09, 09:38 PM

Like Chicken Little, he claims the sky is falling.

Yeesh!

**Danny** · July-06-09, 09:00 AM

Do we all love America.

1. For seeking GOLD!

2. Mistreat all the Native Americans.

3. Make Africans slaves.

4. Exploit and tame the west and expand to sea and shining sea.

5. Start a civil war to free the slaves.

6. Start Jim Crow Laws to African Americans at bay.

7. Make Africans, Hispanics, Chinese, Japanese, Jews and later all Arab Muslims succumb to FEAR and segregation.

8. government corruption

9. Become a World Police Force for national security purposes and achieve world democracy.

I love the U.S.A. God bless America. My home sweet home.

Happy 233rd birthday United States.

ccbatson · July-09-09, 04:39 PM

I don't claim the sky is falling, I claim the economy is falling...and it is.

**mjs** · July-09-09, 05:30 PM

Ok, lets play your game and see what the Dow says.

Obama Inaguration 1/20: 7949
Almost Six Months Later: 8183 +2.9%
Six Months before Inaug: 11,467 -30.7%

Bush Inaguration 1/20: 11,351
Following July 9th: 10,636 -6.3%
Six Months before Inaug: 10,996 +3.2%

Clinton Administration: +249%
Bush Administration: -30%
Obama Administration: +3%

Inauguration to GM Bankruptcy: +9.7%
GM Bankruptcy to Today: -6.2%

**gibran** · July-09-09, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

I don't claim the sky is falling, I claim the economy is falling...and it is.

however as so appropriately pointed out, it didn't start in January

**Detroitej72** · July-09-09, 06:35 PM

Excellent post, Mjs. I doubt you'll hear a credible response, just more propaganda and tired rhetoric from the right.

**oladub** · July-09-09, 07:25 PM

Using Inauguration Day as a starting point, unemployment was 7.2% . After the Wall Street bailout, Porkulus, and the $645B earmarks bill, the unemployment rate is 9.5% ; a 32% rise in unemployment under President Obama - and he's only just begun. Actually, I blame much of this on the previous administration but to be consistent, if Obamatrons want to take credit for a stable stock market, they should also take credit for the the rise in unemploymnet.

I heard an Obama spokeswoman on NPR this afternoon suggesting the need for another stimulus package. I guess the last one has been sort of a bust. I would have thought that all the hope generated by borrowing so much from China would have juiced the jobs numbers a little.

**mjs** · July-09-09, 08:34 PM

Biden denied the administration wants it. Are you sure they weren't discussing Warren Buffet who agrees with you that the first package was garbage? "Our first stimulus bill ... was sort of like taking half a tablet of Viagra and having also a bunch of candy mixed in ... as if everybody was putting in enough for their own constituents," he said. "It doesn't have really quite the wall that might have been anticipated there." He had lots more to say.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8039651&page=1

I was just being facetious by the way on the Dow. I think the economy is effected by so many things, the President is the least of Wall Street's concerns, but ccbatson just had to keep going there.

Lorax · July-09-09, 09:14 PM

I just got this message from Batts after the spanking rendered by MJS above:

ccbatson · July-10-09, 04:16 PM

So easy...markets are not that reactive, they are proactive. Therefore, 1-2 months prior to the election, when it became evident that Obama MIGHT win, markets reacted. Recalculate with this FACT in mind and your conclusions will flip.

BTW, GWB had a heavy scewing from 911 to consider, Clinton was riding the low taxes of the preceding administration for a while, and was not nearly the radical economic socialist that Obama [[like FDR or worse) is.

**mjs** · July-10-09, 04:25 PM

I seem to remember it being pretty reactive the week the Bush Administration yelled that the entire world market will collapse unless we get $700 billion to the US banks as of yesterday.

ccbatson · July-10-09, 04:28 PM

No...prior to that, as I ellucidated, the markets saw it coming with the earlier bank collapses.

**mjs** · July-10-09, 04:39 PM

You have a typo. The correct spelling is hallucinated.

A few banks collapsed and only people watching CNBC were aware of it and CNBC was saying the market could handle it. Bush's people went to air in full panic and the selling and runs on the banks erupted which immediately froze the credit markets.

ccbatson · July-10-09, 04:47 PM

Did you even look at the market activity surrounding those initial collapses? Do you think that successful people in the industry turned a blind eye and didn't immediately adjust to protect their assets and jobs?