Will Rick Snyder be reelected in 2014?

**brizee** · December-06-12, 11:00 PM

This thread is NOT about a certain recent piece of legislation. There's already one so don't turn it into that.

We're at the halfway point of his term. He's done some things I appreciate. He's also done more that I don't.

+He may have finally delivered Detroit reasonable public transportation.
+He has a lot of "wins" under his belt. He can point to some concrete accomplishment during his tenure.

-His signature law was rejected by voters.
-His party's presidential candidate was crushed in Michigan.
-His party while still keeping a majority, lost seats in the house.
-He ummm....may have declared thermonuclear war against the opposition party*

I personally think Bing and Snyder are gonna live to their words about being one term candidates, whether they intended to or not.

*Again not the thread for it.

**corktownyuppie** · December-06-12, 11:03 PM

RTA and a Bridge? Most people said that 1 out of 2 was improbable. I'm not a big RTW guy, but I know that for [[under) half the state it's a big deal.
And of the 3 parties in the Detroit financial crisis [[Snyder/Bing/Council), I think he's been the most consistent, pragmatic, and reasonable.

Since your question wasn't "Will you vote for Snyder?" but rather "Will he get re-elected?"

I think he very well would if chose to.

JVB · December-06-12, 11:39 PM

Of course he will, if he runs. Outside of Metro Detroit he is extremely popular.

**Hypestyles** · December-06-12, 11:50 PM

in all likelihood. Just glad I don't plan to be in michigan anymore.

**gnome** · December-06-12, 11:56 PM

Yes, I believe he will be reelected.

**Novine** · December-06-12, 11:56 PM

"Of course he will, if he runs. Outside of Metro Detroit he is extremely popular.'

You may believe that. Wait until people start figuring out their state tax bills for the past year and see how much they've been jacked by Snyder and the Republicans in Lansing. There's a lot of middle class taxpayers who are on the hook for big tax increases thanks to Snyder.

**Cincinnati_Kid** · December-07-12, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Novine

"Of course he will, if he runs. Outside of Metro Detroit he is extremely popular.'

You may believe that. Wait until people start figuring out their state tax bills for the past year and see how much they've been jacked by Snyder and the Republicans in Lansing. There's a lot of middle class taxpayers who are on the hook for big tax increases thanks to Snyder.

Along with him taxing pensions, approving the no-helmet law and of course waffling on the RTW issue saying it's divisive, then turns the course and says he approves of it and will sign the bill. I hope he's not re-elected.

**Wingnatic** · December-07-12, 05:24 AM

I wonder if the Republicant's who voted for him , became unemployed , and saw their benefits slashed from 26 weeks to 20 weeks , or the do nothing about the raising costs of auto insurance . Both are one of the highest in the country . A real people's Governor .....

**Pam** · December-07-12, 07:03 AM

He has a lot of "wins" under his belt. He can point to some concrete accomplishment during his tenure.

What are those?

**michimoby** · December-07-12, 07:44 AM

I hope so.

For one, Michigan's bond rating is increasing because of his efforts. It had the third highest increase in technology jobs in the country last year. And he can add a much-needed bridge, along with an RTA bill forty years in the making, to his legislative wins.

These are the first small steps to reinvigorating a stable tax base in Metro Detroit, thereby creating a more solid platform for funding our police, fire and school organizations -- all of which some are the most critical concerns in our fine city.

So if Snyder DOESN'T get re-elected...I may actually think of leaving the state myself.

**Zacha341** · December-07-12, 08:42 AM

Coupled with the jacking up of taxes pending from the white house!

Originally Posted by Novine

...Wait until people start figuring out their state tax bills for the past year and see how much they've been jacked by Snyder and the Republicans in Lansing. There's a lot of middle class taxpayers who are on the hook for big tax increases thanks to Snyder.

**Hermod** · December-07-12, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid

Along with him taxing pensions, approving the no-helmet law and of course waffling on the RTW issue saying it's divisive, then turns the course and says he approves of it and will sign the bill. I hope he's not re-elected.

All the time that I was in the Army, I claimed Michigan as my "home of record" and Michigan did not tax my military pay. While I enjoyed the tax break, my fellow soldiers with homes of record in other states did pay state taxes on their military pay. Other states tax pensions as well. What is so "special" about military pay or pension income that it is treated more favorably than dividend or interest income from people who did not have a pension and had to save for their retirements? Michigan even had a "double whammy" for those folks before where they paid state income taxes at the full rate on their dividends and then turned around and paid 3-1/2 percent Michigan Intangibles Tax on the same money [[fortunately, the MIT was eliminated).

**brizee** · December-07-12, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

What are those?

Mostly it means he was able to pass a lot of the legislation he wanted. Alot of it was stupid and shortsighted like the helmet ban, and item pricing repeal.

I was really just trying to be fair to not get the thread moved. But I guess the next governor of Michigan isn't a Detroit issue.

Up until this week he was a guy I disagreed with but could at least deal with.

Fuck Snyder. He showed he is either a lying snake, a malleable pawn or both.

He wants to join in the culture war currently waging in Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin. He already has the stare of a sociopath, with his middle aged lesbian looking ass.

**jackie5275** · December-07-12, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by brizee

Mostly it means he was able to pass a lot of the legislation he wanted. Alot of it was stupid and shortsighted like the helmet ban, and item pricing repeal.

I was really just trying to be fair to not get the thread moved. But I guess the next governor of Michigan isn't a Detroit issue.

Up until this week he was a guy I disagreed with but could at least deal with.

Fuck Snyder. He showed he is either a lying snake, a malleable pawn or both.

He wants to join in the culture war currently waging in Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin. He already has the stare of a sociopath, with his middle aged lesbian looking ass.

So you are looking at wins as wins for him, not wins for the State, correct?

**brizee** · December-07-12, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by jackie5275

So you are looking at wins as wins for him, not wins for the State, correct?

Correct.

Like I said I was trying to be objective in the opening.

**gazhekwe** · December-07-12, 02:09 PM

He's starting to remind me of Big Bad John, vindictive as all get-out, gets even more hardline with any opposition. People kept electing him, too.

**Detroitrobert** · December-07-12, 02:27 PM

When he repealed the item pricing law, he said it would save us money on groceries. Has anyone else seen their grocery bills lowered? Because I haven't. It has resulted in lost jobs and increased profits for companies. When he repealed it, I said that the only ones that would benefit are the companies and that has held true. Now he and his party mates have dealt a[[nother) huge blow to working class people and their families. I'm going to say that he won't be elected. Some unions supported his campaign, I think it's safe to say they won't be doing it again after he stabbed them in the back.

JVB · December-07-12, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitrobert

When he repealed the item pricing law, he said it would save us money on groceries. Has anyone else seen their grocery bills lowered? Because I haven't. It has resulted in lost jobs and increased profits for companies. When he repealed it, I said that the only ones that would benefit are the companies and that has held true. Now he and his party mates have dealt a[[nother) huge blow to working class people and their families. I'm going to say that he won't be elected. Some unions supported his campaign, I think it's safe to say they won't be doing it again after he stabbed them in the back.

How many jobs were lost due to the item pricing repeal? I know it's easy to look at a company like Walmart and see how it benefits them, but what about new businesses like Ye Olde Butcher Shop that might not be able to afford paying someone to individually price every single item? Also, if I recall correctly wasn't Michigan the only state in the country that had a law mandating every single item be priced?

**rb336** · December-07-12, 04:24 PM

I don't think he will run

**Cincinnati_Kid** · December-07-12, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by michimoby

I hope so.

For one, Michigan's bond rating is increasing because of his efforts. It had the third highest increase in technology jobs in the country last year. And he can add a much-needed bridge, along with an RTA bill forty years in the making, to his legislative wins.

These are the first small steps to reinvigorating a stable tax base in Metro Detroit, thereby creating a more solid platform for funding our police, fire and school organizations -- all of which some are the most critical concerns in our fine city.

So if Snyder DOESN'T get re-elected...I may actually think of leaving the state myself.

You won't be by yourself. People will leave if it becomes RTW or not. It's already getting too expensive to stay here.

**Cincinnati_Kid** · December-07-12, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

I don't think he will run

Probably won't after he _ucks everything up. He'll pull another John Engler, leave the state, and get a cushy job in the private sector.

**Detroitrobert** · December-07-12, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by JVB

How many jobs were lost due to the item pricing repeal?

I don't have hard numbers on the amount of jobs, but I do have hard numbers that say prices have not decreased but have in fact INCREASED. The numbers also say that hours and wages have decreased for workers, which is what anyone with a shred of common sense would expect to happen. It is very clear, and it is not debatable, that the law's repeal has helped only the companies and has hurt consumers. This makes it very clear where Snyder's allegiance lies and it's not with consumers or the average citizen where it should be.

JVB · December-07-12, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitrobert

I don't have hard numbers on the amount of jobs, but I do have hard numbers that say prices have not decreased but have in fact INCREASED. The numbers also say that hours and wages have decreased for workers, which is what anyone with a shred of common sense would expect to happen. It is very clear, and it is not debatable, that the law's repeal has helped only the companies and has hurt consumers. This makes it very clear where Snyder's allegiance lies and it's not with consumers or the average citizen where it should be.

I don't necessarily disagree about food prices increasing, but that has happened nationwide not just in Michigan. Can you show a larger increase in Michigan, than in other states? Correlation does not imply causation, look deeper into the numbers and you might find there is nothing there.

**rb336** · December-07-12, 10:13 PM

The problem is, most states have the same or similar law. I hate it because it's a pain in the ass

JVB · December-07-12, 10:35 PM

Interesting study on item-pricing laws:

We study item-pricing laws [[which require that each item in a store be individually marked with a price sticker) and examine and quantify their costs and benefits. On the cost side, we argue that item-pricing laws increase the retailers’ costs, forcing them to raise prices.

We test this prediction using data on retail prices from large supermarket chains in the Tri-State area of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. The Tri-States offer a unique setting—a natural experiment—to study item-pricing laws because the States vary in their use of item-pricing laws, but otherwise offer similar markets and chains operating in a close proximity to each other in a relatively homogenous socioeconomic environment. We use two datasets, one emphasizing the breadth in coverage across products and the other across stores.

We find consistent evidence across products, product categories, stores, chains, states, and sampling periods, that the prices at stores facing item-pricing laws are higher than the prices at stores not facing the item pricing laws by about 25¢ or 9.6% per item. We also have data from supermarket chains that would be subject to item-pricing laws but are exempted from item pricing requirement because they use costly electronic shelf label systems. Using this data as a control, we find that the electronic shelf label store prices fall between the item-pricing law and non-item- pricing law store prices: they are lower than the item-pricing law store prices by about 15¢ per item on average, but are higher than the non- item-pricing law store prices by about 10¢ per item on average.

On the benefit side, we study the frequency and the magnitude of supermarket pricing errors, which the item-pricing laws are supposed to prevent. We quantify the benefits of the IPLs by conservatively assuming that they successfully accomplish their mission of preventing all price mistakes. Comparing the costs of item-pricing laws to their benefits, we find that the item-pricing law costs are at least an order of magnitude higher than the benefits.