Most Americans do NOT like black people.

**brizee** · October-28-12, 01:24 PM

They don't give a damn for Hispanics either.

Try to contain your absolute shock and disbelief.

I know my head is absolutely exploding in surprise.

**rb336** · October-28-12, 02:01 PM

"Racial prejudice has increased slightly since 2008"

I doubt it. More likely it just came out of the closet

**gazhekwe** · October-28-12, 08:04 PM

Is that counting the Americans that ARE black or hispanic? Somehow, I doubt it.

**rb336** · October-28-12, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by gazhekwe

Is that counting the Americans that ARE black or hispanic? Somehow, I doubt it.

You miss the point. obviously those who are black or Hispanic don't count!

**firstandten** · October-28-12, 09:53 PM

Not surprising in the least. The only thing thats going to move those numbers from majority to minority is generations. Hopefully the people coming after us will be more tolerant and welcoming of differences between races of people.

Sometimes people are forced into doing the right thing. Whites need to start understanding that they will be a minority in many states in as little as 30 years ,so its in their best interest to develop some tolerance for different races. Hell, if Mitt doesn't win this cycle it could be awhile before another white male gets in the WH. I could see a woman, then possibly an hispanic before another white man gets in.

**gazhekwe** · October-28-12, 09:56 PM

I suppose there are a LOT of Americans who don't particularly like Caucasians.

**Gannon** · October-28-12, 11:43 PM

This is a funny survey. Odd, I mean, not humorous.

Their methodology is quite interesting, especially with the visual recognition portion.

Plus, I don't believe the generalization statements are as indicative as they claim. I would rather be able to read the exact wording, but wonder what error-bias they include to show the respondent's willingness to answer questions in any survey.

I mean, when presented with a list of questions during a survey, I'd guess it is more likely one would attempt to answer with some sway away from only saying , "no" or "no comment". Nobody wants to be boring...and most would attempt to discover what the survey questioneer was aiming to gauge.

If they asked a blanket question, like, "do you believe one's behavior is unavoidably dictated by racial or genetic pre-dispositions"...it would be curious to see the results. I'm guessing it wouldn't be anywhere near their stretch of 51%.

Any survey which attempts to put words in someone's mouth which they didn't specifically utter is suspect. This one actually claims to indicate racial bias even when the responder isn't aware of it.

Beware psychic surveys...LOL! Pretty soon, it'll be Minority Report for the lot of us...

Cheers

**LeannaM** · October-29-12, 11:18 AM

I'm also interested how the survey got its results.

As a White American, I'm sure obvious prejudice still exists. However, I think for most of us any racism is subconscious.

I do think many White Americans associate Blacks and Hispanics with inner cities and crime. That may be one reason for these feelings, even if they are not on the surface. I think many White Americans are also worried about political correctness so they feel they can't say anything about anybody who happens to be a minority. Censoring yourself like that because of societal pressure tends to lead to negative feelings. Affirmative action also irritates a lot of people.

To be fair, Blacks and Hispanics can be just as racist as anybody else.

**Danny** · October-29-12, 11:37 AM

Black folks in America these days in a mental state of reperation. We want money, we want land, we want jobs! Then they will do violent crime. Some white folks in America are being prejudice against blacks. They don't want to show it in front a black man's face. They same goes with Hispanics, Asians, Arabs and East Indians, too.

**firstandten** · October-29-12, 11:38 AM

A survey like this begs the point, I think most blacks and hispanics could care less if white americans are individually racist. The problem comes about when that racism is institutionalized and affects the life, liberty and pursuit of happyness that is guaranteed us by the constitution. So while a white person may have some individual issues with blacks and hispanics he needs to put that aside in order to sell his house to a minority that qualifies or make sure that minority gets that job promotion that he may be in charge of giving.

**coracle** · October-30-12, 07:46 AM

Why do "Most Americans" NOT like Black People, and why should they "like" them any more than most black people do NOT like "Most Americans".?

**poobert** · October-30-12, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by firstandten

So while a white person may have some individual issues with blacks and hispanics he needs to put that aside in order to sell his house to a minority that qualifies or make sure that minority gets that job promotion that he may be in charge of giving.

Too bad it isn't a switch you can turn on and off like that.

I know quite a few people in my professional life who aren't exactly Aryan nation but seem to have a general - hard to describe, really, but maybe fear and arrogance - towards black people. As unbiased as they try to be professionally, though, you can't just flip that prejudice off and on like a switch. Ultimately black people aren't given the same consideration for advancement, even if it isn't intentional.

I always found it ironic since the biggest shitheads I've ever had working for me were white guys. I dislike all people equally.

**coracle** · October-30-12, 01:44 PM

Sounds like you've got your stuff together poobert. It's quite an accomplishment to be able to dislike all people equally. Presumably everybody in your world would be a shithead to make them equally "dislikable". I hope that everybody returns your dislike equally so you can feel at ease. I have had both white and black shitheads work for me; the only difference being that I was allowed to fire the white shitheads. I have to admit though that I did dislike shitheads more than "all people".

**brizee** · November-01-12, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by firstandten

Sometimes people are forced into doing the right thing. Whites need to start understanding that they will be a minority in many states in as little as 30 years ,so its in their best interest to develop some tolerance for different races. Hell, if Mitt doesn't win this cycle it could be awhile before another white male gets in the WH. I could see a woman, then possibly an hispanic before another white man gets in.

That's a pretty good point.

There's a good portion of society that will quickly find their tough talking, hard-hearted words and actions extremely bitter to swallow when it comes back on them.

They better pray schadenfreude has gone out of style when that day comes.

**Papasito** · November-01-12, 02:16 PM

What a stupid topic. The fact they even did the survey in the way they did to get the contraversial results they wanted is racist in itself.

It's not hard to do a little research to prove that Racism is on the decline. Here: I'll do ten minutes of research to prove the contrary to this BS race baiting "study":

More cross-racial marriages:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...780914906.html

About 15% of new marriages in the U.S. in 2010 were between individuals of a different race or ethnicity, more than double the share in 1980, according to a report released Thursday by the Pew Research Center. Among those married in 2010, 9% of whites, 17% of blacks, 26% of Hispanics and 28% of Asians married outside their ethnic or racial group.

More Multi-Racial Children:
http://www.aamft.org/imis15/content/..._Families.aspx

There are approximately 7 million people in the United States who identify as mixed-race, with half of these being under the age of 18, and it is estimated that the mixed-race population in the U.S. will reach 21% by 2050.

More Black-White Marriages:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ges/50469776/1

The study, published in the October edition of theJournal of Marriage and Family, finds that in 2008, 10.7% of blacks who married in the past year married whites, compared with 3% in 1980.

If all these "evil racist white Americans" are so damn racist, why the hell are they marrying Hispanics, Blacks and minorities, creating families and having kids with them?

What a bunch of haters and race baiters people are in some of these "groups". After all, if racism isn't played up and minorities put into a frenzy, these race groups would be out of business, and that's the LAST thing they want.
Racism puts money in people's pockets. The NAACP and many many other groups are no longer needed if they lose their cash cow.

So as a result, Racism will always ALWAYS be an issue.

**noise** · November-01-12, 02:19 PM

Yes, "racism will always ALWAYS be an issue" only because the NAACP and other groups need their cash cow.

It's not because, you know, racists and racism actually exists.

JVB · November-01-12, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by LeannaM

I think many White Americans are also worried about political correctness so they feel they can't say anything about anybody who happens to be a minority. Censoring yourself like that because of societal pressure tends to lead to negative feelings. Affirmative action also irritates a lot of people.

I've seen a lot of this over the last few years. For instance, it's almost impossible to criticize Obama without being called, or suspected of being, a racist. I think it's only natural that people would start to resent that.

**firstandten** · November-01-12, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by JVB

I've seen a lot of this over the last few years. For instance, it's almost impossible to criticize Obama without being called, or suspected of being, a racist. I think it's only natural that people would start to resent that.

I think its the type of criticism that bothers people. I don't have a problem with critics of his drone policy or not closing Gitmo, or even the economy. I have a probblem with the BS criticism like where's your Birth Certificate or he's a socialist stuff like that. That kind of stuff is so out in left field I'm left to believe that if you really believe stuff like that then you must be a racist.

**rb336** · November-01-12, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by firstandten

I think its the type of criticism that bothers people. I don't have a problem with critics of his drone policy or not closing Gitmo, or even the economy. I have a probblem with the BS criticism like where's your Birth Certificate or he's a socialist stuff like that. That kind of stuff is so out in left field I'm left to believe that if you really believe stuff like that then you must be a racist.

And plenty on the left have criticized his drone policy and Gitmo [[which wasn't closed because a) republicans blocked funding for it and b) none of the states said they'd take the prisoners - mostly due to scare tactics of the far right

JVB · November-01-12, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by firstandten

I think its the type of criticism that bothers people. I don't have a problem with critics of his drone policy or not closing Gitmo, or even the economy. I have a probblem with the BS criticism like where's your Birth Certificate or he's a socialist stuff like that. That kind of stuff is so out in left field I'm left to believe that if you really believe stuff like that then you must be a racist.

If it were only the birthers being called racist, then I'd probably agree with you, but that is clearly not the case.

Besides, the birther stuff could have been squashed by Obama a long time ago, but I think he was smart to let it play out the way he did because it made them look foolish. Maybe he's doing the same thing now by not releasing his college admissions paperwork...?

My biggest problem with Obama [[other than his campaign of assassinating US Citizens without trial via drones) is that he reminds me of a child. He refuses to accept blame for anything, always pointing the finger at the other guy.

I thought Bush was a horrible President, but he's been in the job for 4 years now, how about some personal accountability? I have no respect for people that blame everyone else and refuse to accept any culpability. My theory is a very simple one - Bush and Obama were both shitty Presidents.

By the way, I would never vote for Romney or Obama because the two party system is what's destroying this country, but that's for another thread.

**rb336** · November-01-12, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by JVB

My biggest problem with Obama [[other than his campaign of assassinating US Citizens without trial via drones) is that he reminds me of a child. He refuses to accept blame for anything, always pointing the finger at the other guy.

spoken like someone who only listens to Fox news and associated media. He has taken the blame quite clearly on a number of things. I've heard him. Hell, he did it in the DEBATES. Conversely, only a fool would take the blame for things which neither he nor his people are to blame.

JVB · November-01-12, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

spoken like someone who only listens to Fox news and associated media. He has taken the blame quite clearly on a number of things. I've heard him. Hell, he did it in the DEBATES. Conversely, only a fool would take the blame for things which neither he nor his people are to blame.

I said I would never vote for Romney, and think the two-party system is destroying the country...but I listen to FOX News?

From what I understand FOX is the media wing of the Republican Party and MSNBC is the media wing of the Democratic party. If I watched FOX, wouldn't I probably be a Romney supporter? As far as the blame game goes, didn't Obama run on the promise to fix the mistakes of Bush, not build on them and compound the problems?

We really need to stop sanctioning this two-party system where we're stuck picking between two candidates that most people know are bought and paid for by lobbyists.

But back to the point of the thread, I think Obama is a murderous thug, does that make me racist?

**rb336** · November-01-12, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by JVB

We really need to stop sanctioning this two-party system where we're stuck picking between two candidates that most people know are bought and paid for by lobbyists.

But back to the point of the thread, I think Obama is a murderous thug, does that make me racist?

No. I remember you saying you would never vote for Romney, merely making the point that your comments about Obama acting like a child sound like they come straight out of the right wing media, and were easily disproven.

Unfortunately, until someone miraculously finds a way to fund a bunch of other parties, we are stuck with always voting the lesser of two evils

JVB · November-01-12, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

Unfortunately, until someone miraculously finds a way to fund a bunch of other parties, we are stuck with always voting the lesser of two evils

No we're not! Every time I've ever voted for President there have been at least 5 or 6 other candidates on the ballot. Nobody forces us to vote for Democrats and Republicans - we do that to ourselves. Research the 3rd party candidates. If nothing else it will force the candidates to run on issues, rather than the same old Red Team Vs Blue Team nonsense.

**firstandten** · November-01-12, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by JVB

I said I would never vote for Romney, and think the two-party system is destroying the country...but I listen to FOX News?

From what I understand FOX is the media wing of the Republican Party and MSNBC is the media wing of the Democratic party. If I watched FOX, wouldn't I probably be a Romney supporter? As far as the blame game goes, didn't Obama run on the promise to fix the mistakes of Bush, not build on them and compound the problems?

We really need to stop sanctioning this two-party system where we're stuck picking between two candidates that most people know are bought and paid for by lobbyists.

But back to the point of the thread, I think Obama is a murderous thug, does that make me racist?

In many respects I agree with your post.I especally have problems with the lack of more than two parties having influence in DC. I would like to add however that blame game in many ways is against Congress not Bush. Obama just basically lays out... this is what Bush left me. There's some reasons he needs to take that approach. The major one is that the economy hadn't bottomed out when he took office and the political spin being what it is, folks can make it seem that it's your fault now.

Also I can't remember such coordinated obstructionism with Congress in a long time.

I also think your comment that he took the mistakes of Bush and built on them and compounded the problems is again a matter of perspective

The Drone issue is a policy I don't like but I understand why he's doing it, but those discussions are a matter for another thread.

My problem is that critics of Obama mostly Repubs have violated protocol during his state of the union speech and other speeches, major example, with the "you lie" comment. They have made numerous racist jokes and racist comments to a sitting president. These are comments that would never be tolerated being said to a white president. Even with protests by various groups during the Bush Administration I have never seen the office of the President so disrespected than during the first Obama term.

I get it if people aren't crazy about policy issues, any president gets hammered over it. However this other stuff and I would include the example you used with the school admissions paperwork,[[different take on the birther issue) along with the other things that have nothing to do with policy is an attempt to belittle the man, cheapen the office and sends out the message to the racist, that even though he's president, he's not legitimate because [[name your reason), therefore we can talk to him, and about him anyway we please.

I consider that to be racist, and when you do have something to criticize him on that is real, it tends to fall on deaf ears especially in the african-american community.