The 2012 Democratic National Convention

**ghettopalmetto** · September-07-12, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Papasito

Mitt Romney says he can fix the economy in 4 years. He says he can do "better".

Yup. The guy who never had want of anything, who hasn't worked since 2006--whose grandchildren will never have to work a single day in their lives--is the guy who understands the middle class struggle. That's a good one.

If he gets elected and doesn't live up to the expectations HE HAS SET FOR HIMSELF, I would vote against him at the next election, regardless of party affiliation [[ I am a registered independent).

Well, that just makes you flaky, frivolous, and unprincipled, doesn't it? That's not Barack Obama's problem.

**firstandten** · September-07-12, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Papasito

Mitt Romney says he can fix the economy in 4 years. He says he can do "better".

So if I told you I could leap tall buildings in a single bound would you believe me ? Hell no, you wouldn't because you know only Superman can do that.

So why would you believe Mitt when he says that. What in his history as governor or as a businessman even makes you believe that.

As long as myself, Rb and GP have been on this board talking about the documented failures of supply side economics why would you believe that Mitt could fix this in four years knowing he is a believer of supply-side trickle down policies.

And if he somehow could pull it off [[of course he won't say how) you better believe our economy will be more shaky than a house of cards. You don't fix 30 years of supply side damage in 4 years I don't care who you are.

**coracle** · September-07-12, 11:10 AM

Stick with Obama and get trickle up poverty and food stamps.

**firstandten** · September-07-12, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by coracle

Stick with Obama and get trickle up poverty and food stamps.

I already made a case that you are better off now than four years ago. So what is that ?... One of those driveby statements you make when you have no argument.

**Papasito** · September-07-12, 12:48 PM

He bragged about Osama Bin Laden being one of his great accomplishments.
A true leader would have honored the soldiers who did the job and not take credit for the kill himself.

And where is the mention of all of the GITMO detainees whom were released under HIS ADMINISTRATION who have gone on to kill inncoents both foreign and domestic, who have gone on to kill our sons and daughters in uniform and the sons and daughters of our allies, to blow up school busses or movie theaters? Where is the credit for this?

Maybe he may someday visit a tombstone.
IF he acknowledges he helped put the innocent victim in the grave in exchange for political correctness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_o...d_to_terrorism

Ruslan Anatolivich Odijev	Russia	March 2004	Participated in several terrorism acts including an October 2005 attack in the Caucasus region that killed and injured several police officers	Suspected
Said Mohammad Alim Shah also known as Abdullah Mahsud	Afghanistan	March 2004	Kidnapped two Chinese engineers; Claimed responsibility for an Islamabad hotel bombing; directed a suicide attack in April 2007 killing 31 people	Confirmed
Ravil Gumarov	Russia	March 2004	Involved in a gas line bombing	Confirmed
Abdullah Ghofoor	Afghanistan	March 2004	Taliban commander; planning attacks on U.S. and Afghan forces; killed in a raid by Afghan security forces	Suspected
Mohammed Bin Ahmad Mizouz	Morocco	July 2004	Recruiter for al-Qaida in Iraq	Confirmed
Ibrahim Bin Shakaran	Morocco	July 2004	Recruiter for al-Qaida in Iraq	Confirmed
Isa Khan	Pakistan	September 2004	Association with Tehrik-i-Taliban	Suspected
Muhibullah	Afghanistan	July 2005	Association with the Taliban	Suspected
Abdallah Saleh Ali al-Ajmi	Kuwait	November 2005	Conducted a suicide attack in Iraq	Confirmed
Abdullah Majid Al-Naimi	Bahrain	November 2005	Arrested in October 2008; involved in terrorist facilitation; has known associations with al-Qaida	Confirmed

....just a SMALL SNAPSHOT.

**coracle** · September-07-12, 01:45 PM

It's best to ignore my driveby statements f.........n. Acknowledging them only tells me they have hit the target. I don't reply to your arguments because they are just regurgitated Democrap crap. [[Ignore it; a driveby statement)

**poobert** · September-07-12, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by coracle

It's best to ignore my driveby statements f.........n. Acknowledging them only tells me they have hit the target. I don't reply to your arguments because they are just Democrap crap. [[Ignore it; it's a "driveby")

I dunno, you guys seem like a couple cornered wild animals lashing out more than anything. I think it has become pretty objectively clear that alien cyborg Mormon Rommell doesn't stand a snowflake's chance in hell and you guys are freaking out about it. Yes, it is just so horrible that Obama personally didn't pull the trigger and kill Osama bin Laden himself and then he DARED to speak of it. The nerve of that Indonesian Muslim.

"Registered independent" my ass. Code nowadays for raging, foaming-at-the-mouth right-winger I've noticed.

**coracle** · September-07-12, 03:57 PM

"objectively clear" Gobbledygook

**rb336** · September-07-12, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto

A record where he stopped economic freefall, saved the American auto industry, killed Osama bin Laden, ended the war in Iraq, started a program to help our returning veterans find work, is winding down the war in Afghanistan, passed health insurance reform, eliminated waste in the student loan process, started producing manufacturing jobs, expanded oil exploration, enacted higher fuel economy mandates, and reduced dependency on foreign oil.

But don't ever let the truth get in the way of a good story.

You really are ruining it for the right-wing BS slingers

**firstandten** · September-07-12, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by coracle

I don't reply to your arguments because they are just regurgitated Democrap crap. [[Ignore it; a driveby statement)

How about you don't reply to my arguments because you can't support your own much less take apart mine.

**rb336** · September-07-12, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

He bragged about Osama Bin Laden being one of his great accomplishments.

blah blah blah

You do realize that everyone on that list was released prior to 2008, don't you? at least half of them are only "alleged" Gitmo detainees

**rb336** · September-07-12, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by coracle

"objectively clear" Gobbledygook

it's funny. you talk about "ignoring drive-by statements," yet that is all you ever make

**rb336** · September-07-12, 05:34 PM

Impact of the DNC:
google searches for "how to register to vote" doubled
Obama's popularity jumped 7% according to Gallup

Impact of the RNC:
A great actor became a punchline
Romney's popularity dropped 1% according to Gallup

Remember, Gallup is traditionally seen as a right-leaning polling organization

**oladub** · September-07-12, 11:04 PM

These are nearly all links to President Obama’s speech at the Democratic Convention. President Obama did get a bounce out of the convention. Reuters now has him up by 2% over Romney.

1. Democratic National Convention -- What Did We Learn? –Mark Levy
To pass blame, whine, accept mediocre results, and to vote for Obama because Republicans are mean to him.
http://www.creators.com/print/conser...-we-learn.html

2. FACT CHECK: Obama proposes spending war savings that don't exist to nation-build at home
http://articles.mercurynews.com/news...e4fa0a8a2d.xml

3. Obama's rhetoric is clever but no game changer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19515161

4. Obama the demigod comes down to Earth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d13_print.html

5. OBAMA GOES VAGUE
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...nc-speech.html

6. Barack Obama's 2012 DNC Speech Was Unexciting By Design, Campaign Staff Reveals
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3819...k-campaign.htm

7. John Cusack Interviews Law Professor Jonathan Turley About Obama Administration’s War On the Constitution
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/11...s-constitution

8. Fact Check: Bill Clinton's 'jobs score' of parties claim rings [[partly) true
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/07...#storylink=cpy

9. A Tortured Relationship Finally Comes to an End!
"God, it feels great to be free.
Free of Barack Obama, that is.
After four dispiriting years of waiting for his actions to match his lovely rhetoric – hell, that his character would come anywhere near to matching his rhetoric — it is now clear who we are dealing with. Something happened recently that broke my last, threadbare strings of hope that he would change.
In the midst of all the convention spice and syrup a story slipped out along the edges of the media circus that Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder has decided to not…"
http://www.thedailycall.org/?p=28409

**ejames01** · September-08-12, 06:43 AM

President Obama is better than GWB, McCain & Romney.

End of debate

**rb336** · September-08-12, 07:13 PM

"Obama proposes spending war savings that don't exist"

The right wing media - led by the Associated Press - has jumped on this one and every brain-dead right wing jackass has repeated it, only proving that none of them actually heard the speech. This was something he mentioned could be done AFTER we are done in Afghanistan.

**313WX** · September-08-12, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by leapfrog

Won't watch one second of it, just as I did not pay the slightest bit of attention to the Republican convention. They are a complete waste of time, money and resources.

As the lack of a postconvention bounce for Romney [[and probably for Obama too) demonstrates, I think the only people who actually follow these ridiculous displays of political theatre are the same foolsl who swallow and regurgitate every talking point they are given.

Perfect!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!!!

All of the politicians are bought and paid for by the same few wealthy people of the world. So pick your poison, the outcome will still be the same.

**oladub** · September-09-12, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

"Obama proposes spending war savings that don't exist"

The right wing media - led by the Associated Press - has jumped on this one and every brain-dead right wing jackass has repeated it, only proving that none of them actually heard the speech. This was something he mentioned could be done AFTER we are done in Afghanistan.

Obama's quote from his DNC speech, "My opponent said it was ``tragic'' to end the war in Iraq, and he won't tell us how he'll end the war in Afghanistan. Well I have, and I will. And while my opponent would spend more money on military hardware that our Joint Chiefs don't even want, I will use the money we're no longerspending on war to pay down our debt and put more people back to work rebuilding roads and bridges and schools and runways.

Pay down our debts? First he has to end the deficits before cutting a penny out of the debt and he only said he would reduce deficits by $4T over ten years. How many years does he intend to be President? Anyway, the money used to pay for all the wars had to be borrowed for the wars so the President will need an extra $1T/year of revenue from somewhere and/or spending cuts to begin paying down those debts. Too bad he didn't mention specifically what he had in mind. It's good though that the President is pulling out the troops after doubling the number of troops there. Also, he failed to mention that he negotiated with Iraq to keep US troops there longer. That's three things wrong with just one paragraph in his speech.

Associated Press is right - wing?
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**jiminnm** · September-09-12, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

The right wing media - led by the Associated Press ...

Thanks for giving me the first big laugh of the day. Only someone so far left that they're hanging on by their finger nails would believe this.

**313WX** · September-09-12, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by jiminnm

Thanks for giving me the first big laugh of the day. Only someone so far left that they're hanging on by their finger nails would believe this.

All corporate-owned media, by nature, is right-wing.

**rb336** · September-09-12, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by jiminnm

Thanks for giving me the first big laugh of the day. Only someone so far left that they're hanging on by their finger nails would believe this.

only someone stupid enough to believe Fox news would think the media are liberal. All it takes is a little content analysis. On the network evening news this week, for example, they showed Ryan or Romney speaking nearly 50% more often than Obama or Biden. A typical report would read a part of a statement from the Obama camp, and follow it up with first Romney speaking his version of the truth THEN with Ryan saying the same thing. If you count the number of times the media use Republican phrasing to Democratic phrasing, the difference is even starker. Once again, quantifiable data contradicts right-wing talking points

**Zacha341** · September-10-12, 06:04 AM

RIGHT! And if you criticize any of his policies, or decisions then you must 'LOVE' GWB, McCain & Romney. Ahhhh, the simple, simplicity of it all....

....

Originally Posted by ejames01

President Obama is better than GWB, McCain & Romney.

End of debate

**Zacha341** · September-10-12, 06:07 AM

You're kidding right?

Originally Posted by 313WX

All corporate-owned media, by nature, is right-wing.

**rb336** · September-10-12, 08:49 AM

Zacha, it's simple, really. Follow the MONEY. First look at the mega-corps that own them, then look at the largest advertisers. for the largest advertisers, many are Koch Brothers companies, then you have companies whose CEOs are notoriously right-wing like Target, Big Oil, Big Agri and Big Pharma. Second, watch the minutes spent on topics, as I outlined below, then look at the language they choose to use about topics. All of those invariable track with the right-wing talking points with the possible exception of gay rights

**Jimaz** · September-10-12, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

....Second, watch the minutes spent on topics, ....

If you want to see a really deep study of this, read "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy Of The Mass Media" by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It's a bit dated now [[from 1988) which is all the more remarkable because that's not long after the "liberal media" myth began.