Be careful at the Packard Plant! More assaults, thefts

[Lowell]

Entering the Packard for which there are no 'No Trespassing' signs and is wide open with no barriers is and high crime, right up there with driving over the speed limit or not waiting for stop light to turn green in the middle of a night when no other car is in sight.

If you get caught or have consequences, tough luck. Pay up and don't complain.

[Richard]

What I find curious is that we are on a site that the founder/author/photographer, is in the words of so many on here a law breaker, unless he had permission from all the owners of all the buildings photographed, which I doubt......and yet we all don't mind being a party to it. Sort of makes those who apposed this behavior that are posting on this site hipocrites. IMHO

Two words......Open Carry!!!

I have been on this site a little over two years now and have never seen where the site owner have a stance on the right or wrong aspect,maybe he is like others and knows when you operate in the grey area and something happens it is all part of the risk,when I was young I rode my motorcycle through a farmers radish field,I got shot with rock salt but I could not go crying home to mommy because I knew what I did was wrong and that was the price I paid for my actions.

[Gannon]

So, you can say you got peppered with salt...curious.

[Meddle]

The city won't do anything because it CAN'T do anything. Nor will the owner. It's a pathetic situation, really. Here's the second part of the series about the Packard: http://**.gd/

Why are you using a Grenada domain? What are you hiding in that domain name that could be harmful?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gd

[Meddle]

Arrest everyone that sets foot on the site. Charge a $10,000.00 fine to be released from jail. No trial necessary since you were caught red-handed.

Can't pay the fine? Sit in jail until you can, but you're accruing a $100 daily fine in addition.

That should at least pay for some cops to patrol the site 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They could even do it as extra, off-duty work like they do at bars and clubs.


Media that want to do a ruins story can pay a $50,000.00 permit fee to be escorted through the site.

[jackie5275]

I guess 22 year old Emily's notions of ruin porn visitation having some sort of novelty & romanticism were smashed. Too bad some folks don't realize the dangers of long abandoned buildings, tunnels, etc. I'd be too afraid of falling debris & leftover chemicals there to tour it.

[Packman41]

The city won't do anything because it CAN'T do anything. Nor will the owner. It's a pathetic situation, really. Here's the second part of the series about the Packard: http://is.gd/SQ8eVh

The CofD won’t do anything again, because they failed miserably the first time in the late 1990s. The owner cannot do anything because the CofD owes him a lot of money and the CofD won’t pay up. They are at a standoff right now.

Cristini is no boy scout and not a friend of mine, but in the late 1990s he had 90+ tenants in the Packard Plant before the CofD decided to use the DPD gang squad to forcibly remove all of the tenants and then they started to take sections of the building down. They took his property by force.

Here is a portion of a Detroit Free Press article you need to read and understand:
“In the late 1990s, the plant had scores of rent- paying tenants who stored their cars and boats there, operated small businesses and staged paintball war games inside the tattered warren of buildings that straddle East Grand Boulevard.

It was also a time when the city believed it had title to the property [[edit: they did NOT) through foreclosure for unpaid taxes. The state, meanwhile, planned to tear down the plant and remove hundreds of thousands of tires.

Cristini was collecting rents and managing the property. The city tried to evict him that fall, but he holed up inside while the city's gang squad stood guard.

In 1999, Cristini and his lawyers sued the city, saying it failed to give notice to mortgage holders when the city sought to foreclose on the property. Cristini's lawyers thwarted the state's demolition plans and launched what would become a decade-long legal battle.”

Yes, Cristini is a “shady” character, but the CofD caused this when used their police power to try and seize the property from him. However, several times, Cristini has won in court and at every appeal process. It has been rumored that an arbitrator sided with him and thought the CofD owed him a multi-million dollar settlement for illegally seizing his property.

So when Cristini’s real estate tax bill comes due he probably turns around and tells the CofD to “take it off the money YOU owe me.”

You can read more here:
http://www.propertytaxrights.com/ind...id=68:michigan

[jackie5275]

Arrest everyone that sets foot on the site. Charge a $10,000.00 fine to be released from jail. No trial necessary since you were caught red-handed.

Can't pay the fine? Sit in jail until you can, but you're accruing a $100 daily fine in addition.

That should at least pay for some cops to patrol the site 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. They could even do it as extra, off-duty work like they do at bars and clubs.


Media that want to do a ruins story can pay a $50,000.00 permit fee to be escorted through the site.

Now there are some revenue generating ideas.

[Richard]

So, you can say you got peppered with salt...curious.

Shot gun blast with rock salt non lethal but stings like hell.
http://www.ehow.com/how_8550567_rock...mmunition.html

I have been shot at by worse but that was as an example of consequences for our actions.

[stromberg2]

So, you can say you got peppered with salt...curious.

HAHAHHAHHAA! Good one, Gannon!

Stromberg2

[I <3 DET]

The city should charge a fee to go on the Packard Plant site. The fee could raise some money to help feed the homeless or something...

[daddeeo]

Who's going to collect the fees?
Those fines are hilarious too. City can't collect back taxes.
Unless you get meter maids in charge, forget it.

[Searay215]

The heck with the city, just stand in that parking lot and charge for parking.....as long as your packin heat. Call it a service charge for not getting your car broken into....

[Gannon]

Yeah, the neighborfools have no idea how much more money they'd make...

[Zacha341]

Yeah, everyone else throws up a "Park Here $XX" sign when a crowd shows up who'll pay it!

The heck with the city, just stand in that parking lot and charge for parking.....as long as your packin heat. Call it a service charge for not getting your car broken into....

[Meddle]

Parking $10

Leave Your Keys.













Say goodbye to your car.

[rex]

Arrest everyone that sets foot on the site. Charge a $10,000.00 fine to be released from jail. No trial necessary since you were caught red-handed.

Can't pay the fine? Sit in jail until you can, but you're accruing a $100 daily fine in addition.

You sound fun to party with

[WaCoTS]

Was that the whole purpose of this thread?
Promoting another blog sensationalizing Packard by using non facts to make it look good.

seems that way

[Bad Brains]

I find it odd that some folks are whining about the heinous misdeamenor crime of trespassing on a property that has been essentially abandoned for over half a century

I must remind you that the plant was used as an industrial park up until about 1999 or so. It has not been abandoned for over half a century. Any publications that makes this claim didn't do their research.

[Bad Brains]

Other than Packman41, does anyone else here actually know the reason why the Packard Plant is in the sorry shape it's in today? Judging from many of the comments in this thread, I'm guessing not.

Scrappers/vandals aside, you people do realize that the city is DIRECTLY responsible for what remains today? They caused this mess. If they didn't try for that illegal land-grab, the place would probably still be rented out and used today.

Also who ever wrote that blog doesn't know what they are talking about. Not good writing at all with lots of inaccuracies. Even the caption of that photo is false.

Is that Detroit Blog guy still around? I always enjoyed his writing efforts, especially his older stuff.

[GUSHI]

So if a Detroit resident cross 8 mile and try's to steal something form a store, and the store owner kicks his ass, the detroiter call the cops, and they don't show up, to fukn bad,fuk him because he is from Detroit . It is the police job to protect and serve, am I missing something we are still in America right?

[Alley]

So if a Detroit resident cross 8 mile and try's to steal something form a store, and the store owner kicks his ass, the detroiter call the cops, and they don't show up, to fukn bad,fuk him because he is from Detroit . It is the police job to protect and serve, am I missing something we are still in America right?

Nope--if he trys to steal 'something,' and gets his ass kicked by that 'something' s rightful owner, fuck him because he was a moron who counted on pulling off an effortless crime. Fuck him where ever he's from. It's a person's right to protect their property, the police don't have to deal with that crap, and the criminal isn't going to call the cops anyway, because he has warrants!

[noise]

Remember years back the story of the kid who was shot by cops because they thought he was reaching for a weapon when he was reaching for a cigarette?

Moral of the story: don't smoke.

[ndavies]

This is no different than a john calling the cops because the prostitute just rolled him or a drug addict who calls the police because his dealer stiffed him.

You were breaking the law, something bad happened and the cops have no sympathy. You're surprised by that?

[56packman]

__ __ __ broken record quote of the day: The city caused the plant to be in the ruinous state it is in, they can and should pay for the demolition. Kids, it ain't safe there, hasn't been for a while, it's the wild, wild east there. You are on your own.