Pastor Marvin Winans Carjacked at Detroit Gas Station

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 05:56 PM

From Detroit news article: Pastor Marvin L. Winans, the head of Perfecting Church, was still dazed as he spoke to Channel 7 [[WXYZ-TV) as the story was breaking.

Winans said he was buying gas at a Citgo station on Linwood near Davison on the city's west side when he was approached and assaulted.

"There was at least four of them who followed me out," said Winans, also an actor and a member of the Grammy-winning gospel family The Winans.

Winans was hit as he pumped gas.

He said the attackers also grabbed at his pants. He said he didn't know if the men knew who he is but if they did "it didn't matter."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1v4mivAIz

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...on-20120516-ms

**Detroitej72** · May-16-12, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

He said he didn't know if the men knew who he is but if they did "it didn't matter."

Savages like this care little about who their victims are. The area where the attack happened is quite a busy commercial strip, I'm sure somebody had to see something.

**313WX** · May-16-12, 06:07 PM

Who in their right mind would stop at a fucking gas station on Linwood and Davison?

EDIT: I'm glad he's ok, it just doesn't seem like a very intelligent decision, especially if you're supposedly a high-profile individual.

EDIT #2: With a Rolex watch on at that...

**internet_pseudopod** · May-16-12, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Who in their right mind would stop at a fucking gas station on Linwood and Davison?

EDIT: I'm glad he's ok, it just doesn't seem like a very intelligent decision, especially if you're supposedly a high-profile individual.

EDIT #2: With a Rolex watch on at that...

Well isn't his church somewhere near Davison? It seems like it would be a route that he drives regularly. Besides, if he really needed gas there is any place else too much safer along that route if he was headed to 96. Bottom line is that is that if we[[as a city, county or state) can't make an effort to secure the area around a major connecting freeway we might as well pack it in.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 07:00 PM

^^^^ Perfecting Church is on Nevada on the east side of Detroit off of Van Dyke. Perhaps he was visiting someone or conducting business in the Davison/ Linwood area.

**nain rouge** · May-16-12, 07:13 PM

We're forgetting two other common excuses - he must've been down there for drugs, or he must've owed somebody money.

**evergreen** · May-16-12, 07:26 PM

This is why the city can't even give away houses. This was five o'clock in the afternoon in broad daylight and this man was set upon by a pack of predators. I especially detest the pack mentality where a lone individual is attacked by a mini-mob. This seems to be happening all over the country. I minimize my time in any public space in the city of Detroit, except parts of downtown and then only during daylight.

**Wheels** · May-16-12, 07:29 PM

In his live interview he said he was on his way to Toledo so,

I-75 to Davison to I-96 to I-275 to I-75

Makes sense to me expert for stopping on Davison.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 07:33 PM

Yep. It is a factor... to be that brazen to attack a lone man like that broad daylight strongly suggests there was no fear of an interruption or repercussion.

Originally Posted by evergreen

This is why the city can't even give away houses. This was five o'clock in the afternoon in broad daylight and this man was set upon by a pack of predators...

**Meddle** · May-16-12, 07:33 PM

Well, that oughta get the Al & Jesse show fired up.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 07:36 PM

Umm. Only if it is advantageious for them to get fired up...

Originally Posted by Meddle

Well, that oughta get the Al & Jesse show fired up.

**softailrider** · May-16-12, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Who in their right mind would stop at a fucking gas station on Linwood and Davison?

EDIT: I'm glad he's ok, it just doesn't seem like a very intelligent decision, especially if you're supposedly a high-profile individual.

EDIT #2: With a Rolex watch on at that...

I would buy gas there, I think I have actually. During the daylight, I probably wouldn't think twice. At night I wouldn't do it.

**softailrider** · May-16-12, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Who in their right mind would stop at a fucking gas station on Linwood and Davison?

EDIT: I'm glad he's ok, it just doesn't seem like a very intelligent decision, especially if you're supposedly a high-profile individual.

EDIT #2: With a Rolex watch on at that...

Well then, why would they have a gas station at Linwood and Davison? By your rationale it shouldn't exist.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 08:21 PM

Gas stations have proven to be one of the heartier of business found in even some of the tougher areas such as this. The level of crime found at some of these stations is what should be exist less! What is your point?

Originally Posted by softailrider

Well then, why would they have a gas station at Linwood and Davison? By your rationale it shouldn't exist.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 08:25 PM

I would not. I only use two gas stations in Detroit, when I must. One has a bouncer/ security guy I know that watches out. The other is near WSU, well lit and somewhat safer, so far, in as much as WSU and Detroit police cruisers frequent it.

Originally Posted by softailrider

I would buy gas there, I think I have actually. During the daylight, I probably wouldn't think twice. At night I wouldn't do it.

**softailrider** · May-16-12, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Gas stations have proven to be one of the heartier of business found in even some of the tougher areas such as this. The level of crime found at some of these stations is what should be in less existance! What is your point?

I agree with what you wrote. I was replying to the post about who in there right mind would buy gas on that corner.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 08:31 PM

I hear that. Perhaps it was not his regular station. To avoid being pushed on 'e' I am not letting my tank get below a quarter full... that's hard to do sometimes.

Originally Posted by softailrider

I agree with what you wrote. I was replying to the post about who in there right mind would buy gas on that corner.

**Hypestyles** · May-16-12, 08:40 PM

I sometimes frequent Citgo as they tend to be cheaper than most stations, sometimes.. but this may be known as the angle for the criminal minded to stake out people.. I'm not prone to go to any of these stations on the Davison strip anymore, especially since this was in broad daylight.. Where was the owner/manager? were the "10 young men" that winans saw just all loitering inside? and then when the assault took place, I wonder who called the police.. that he was apparently literally beaten out of his trousers merely highlights the callousness..

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 08:46 PM

^^^ He was a mark in the minds of the assailants, a 'chump' they felt they could take [[though there have been some surprises from those presenting push-back in the form of bullets)... that's their world-view. Male, female, old or young it could happen to. Something has fallen-off-the-shelf in the minds and souls of folks that do this.... Fully justified I am certain... After all, 'you the fool' for coming thru and thus deserve to be rolled for your car, your possessions, beaten or worse.

That the mind set we're dealing with. I'm well past sugar-coating and being coy about it. Where was the owner/ attendant? Behind bullet proof.... that's a certainty.

**Cooper** · May-16-12, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Who in their right mind would stop at a fucking gas station on Linwood and Davison?

EDIT: I'm glad he's ok, it just doesn't seem like a very intelligent decision, especially if you're supposedly a high-profile individual.

EDIT #2: With a Rolex watch on at that...

Thousands of people every day. Davison between Dexter and Linwood is one of the busiest commercial corridors in the city of Detroit. There's a full size grocery store, a hardware store, a Foot Locker, a half dozen national fast food chains, three beauty supply stores, a flower shop, and a whole lot more.

Is it beautiful? No. Is it perfectly safe? Evidently not. But an awful lot of people go about their daily lives there. Davison alone sees 40,000 cars a day, and most of those drivers don't get carjacked when they stop for gas.

That doens't mean it's perfectly safe, or that it's a wise idea to get your gas there -- particularly at that Citgo, which is considerably shadier than the well kept Mobil across the street -- but let's not act like folks living or passing through Detroit are out of their minds for purchasing basic services at one of the busiest intersections in the city.

**Scottathew** · May-16-12, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Who in their right mind would stop at a fucking gas station on Linwood and Davison?

I once had to stop at Contant and Davison for gas at night. I was scared shitless.

I hope the pastor is OK. Did anyone notice how this got a large police response when other instances go without a response? Do mega-pastors get preferential treatment?

I was also very concerned about the police officer that got mowed over the other day. But I also noticed that it seems they got an ambulance rather quickly, and that the ambulance got a very, very large police escort. Looked like 15-20 squad cars.

I found that rather curious when the average citizen seems to have difficulty getting prompt police and EMS responses.

**detroitsgwenivere** · May-16-12, 08:58 PM

I lived at livernois and Davidson for a spell, frequented the Davidson corridor for years, and never once was a victim of a crime. Not to say it didn't occur around me, or that Davidson didn't used to look like the road to hell before the strip malls were built and the lights were fixed. Just saying that visiting a gas station at 5pm on Davidson isn't something I would've previously advised against.

Hell, I've never been victimized anywhere as often as I have since moving to corktown, so go figure.

I think this reflects more on the state of current times than anything else. Besides, Pastors flock will probably pony up for new digs for him anyhoo.

**Zacha341** · May-16-12, 08:59 PM

No place on the globe is 'perfectly' safe. Of course. That's a straw man argument.

This particular area is not very safe. This station is not far from the station suspected of selling a pop can of gas someone used to torch the house Maria Smith was found murdered in... There are 'safer' areas of commerce and business, even within the city. I make it my business to try to do business in those areas.

Originally Posted by Cooper

Thousands of people every day. Davison between Dexter and Linwood is one of the busiest commercial corridors in the city of Detroit. There's a full size grocery store, a hardware store, a Foot Locker, a half dozen national fast food chains, three beauty supply stores, a flower shop, and a whole lot more.

Is it beautiful? No. Is it perfectly safe? Evidently not. But an awful lot of people go about their daily lives there. Davison alone sees 40,000 cars a day, and most of those drivers don't get carjacked when they stop for gas.

That doens't mean it's perfectly safe, or that it's a wise idea to get your gas there -- particularly at that Citgo, which is considerably shadier than the well kept Mobil across the street -- but let's not act like folks living or passing through Detroit are out of their minds for purchasing basic services at one of the busiest intersections in the city.

**laphoque** · May-16-12, 09:07 PM

I guess I'm the only one to have walked from Menjo's back downtown, passing near there, without a problem. I'm out that way on my bicycle on occasion too.

There's no reason not to conduct your business where ever you see fit. That kind of random crime will strike where ever somebody needs some quick cash. That can be anywhere.

I don't think I'm courageous or reckless for behaving this way. I just don't think we really have all that much control over the actions of others. Except when it comes to the obvious; like providing people with enough so they're not trying to survive by all crazy means.

**Scottathew** · May-16-12, 09:08 PM

WJBK reports that his watch was worth $40,000. They said it is a "Presidential Rolex".

I did a google search, I found pricing on those to be around $10,000, not $40,000. But I still think it's ridiculous that a "humble" pastor would go around wearing a $10,000 watch.

I most certainly would not go to or donate money to a church with such a gaudy pastor.