Socialistic health care goal of the traitors in power

[Detroitej72]

It is a simple math problem...subtraction to be precise.

Guess what else, of those 10 million, many of them can afford insurance, but are young/healthy and choose not to to save the money.

Bullshit, I want to see some concrete proof in those numbers, and not some right wing clown's figure. I want to see those numbers from a legitimate study.

On a side note, anyone want to lay bets on how long 4real lasts before he gets banned?

[Bigb23]

Damn, Omaha - I was about to say the exact same thing !

[oldredfordette]

When 4real's head finally blows up, I hope every hospital turns him/her away for lack of insurance.

[Omaha]

Bigb23 -- It's good to know there's another clear thinking conservative out there. There are too many myopic delusional ones who exist in their own heads.

We need more Colbert Conservatives and Social Darwinists on DY. And remember, a Colbert Conservative NEVER breaks the fourth wall...except at DY gatherings on Belle Isle and the like.

[Bigb23]

This story is a few years old, but it should be included in all healthy health care debates.

One of the country's highest-paid executives has stepped down from his position amidst allegations of stock options backdating. Minnetonka-based UnitedHealth Group announced on Sunday that Dr. William McGuire will no longer serve as chairman of the board and will retire from the company by Dec. 1.

"It seems as though it was completely determinate by him; he had complete and total control over the when and the amounts of these awards, which is very counter to how a company should work," Heupel says.

Dozens of companies have been scrutinized for their stock options granting practices in the wake of a Wall Street Journal article published last spring, which highlighted the issue. Since then, UnitedHealth has been in the media spotlight on the matter.

McGuire is one of the country's highest paid executives, having amassed nearly $1.8 billion in un-exercised stock options, according to estimates cited in the Wall Street Journal.

And McGuire is a celebrated steward of the company. In his 15-year tenure at UnitedHealth, the company says its revenues have grown from about $600 million annually to $70 billion. And UnitedHealth's stock performance has similarly exploded, though the share price has tumbled about 20 percent so far this year amidst allegations of options backdating.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...006/10/15/unh/

[Philbo]

Detroitj72: Why should 4real be banned? Enlighten us.

[ccbatson]

I don't recommend the current system either BTW. Privatization, bringing the decisions directly to the consumer [[not a union, or an employer) and phasing out the entitlements is the recipe for success. Will it happen? No way...one way, or the other, fast or slow, because of a lack of political will, we will have to crash and burn and then be reborn to see this issue through.

[ccbatson]

No fault with Medicare? Other than it is so deep in the red that it can't be saved in anything close to its' current form?

[Lorax]

No fault with Medicare? Other than it is so deep in the red that it can't be saved in anything close to its' current form?

That is if it were 30 years from now. I'll take my chances that our great Socialist Democracy will be funding it in the near future, likely with old Iraq war funding.

[ghettopalmetto]

No fault with Medicare? Other than it is so deep in the red that it can't be saved in anything close to its' current form?

As if that's any different from the rest of the health care system....

[rb336]

No fault with Medicare? Other than it is so deep in the red that it can't be saved in anything close to its' current form?

considerring that it is in its current crisis because the bushies looted over $500 billion from the ssa/medicare trusts to decrease the appearance of their deficits...

[Omaha]

ghettopalmetto [[boy that’s a cool nom de plume) -- As a Colbert Conservative I believe that you may be on to something. Thanks to being in the private sector and the free market, the health insurance industry just raises rates year after year after year. The good side is that’s all right because it’s the free market and we are tied to employer-provided health care so profits can still go to the rich and well born.

The bad side is, without serious intervention, health care coverage will soon become too expensive and then only the rich and well born will be able to afford to seek medical care. Social Darwinism.

Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and other forms of health care delivery where our government is in place are not the free market and can’t just raise rates [[our taxes) year after year. They also don’t help make a profit for the rich and well born nor are they used by the self-same group. As a result, they are economically strangled and go in the red.

I think it is consistent with the overall strategy that that great conservative Patriot Grover Norquist put so succinctly: “My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.�

[Lorax]

ghettopalmetto [[boy that’s a cool nom de plume) -- As a Colbert Conservative I believe that you may be on to something. Thanks to being in the private sector and the free market, the health insurance industry just raises rates year after year after year. The good side is that’s all right because it’s the free market and we are tied to employer-provided health care so profits can still go to the rich and well born.

The bad side is, without serious intervention, health care coverage will soon become too expensive and then only the rich and well born will be able to afford to seek medical care. Social Darwinism.

Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and other forms of health care delivery where our government is in place are not the free market and can’t just raise rates [[our taxes) year after year. They also don’t help make a profit for the rich and well born nor are they used by the self-same group. As a result, they are economically strangled and go in the red.

I think it is consistent with the overall strategy that that great conservative Patriot Grover Norquist put so succinctly: “My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.�

Your party's personality cult around Grover Norquist is particularly amusing, since all he has advocated for has crumbled.

Your party presided over the greatest expansion of government in history. In fact, Tush/Cheney grew government more that all 42 previous presidents combined.

So much for the Rethugnican's "conservative" label.

[jcole]

Thanks to being in the private sector and the free market, the health insurance industry just raises rates year after year after year. The good side is that’s all right because it’s the free market and we are tied to employer-provided health care so profits can still go to the rich and well born.

For the unaware, Blue Cross/Blue Shield is a non-profit, so I don't think that qualifies as free-market.

[rb336]

For the unaware, Blue Cross/Blue Shield is a non-profit, so I don't think that qualifies as free-market.

sure it does, and beyond that, BC/BS is being stripped of non-profit status in many states, and may lose that status here as well

[MCP-001]

Where"s the birth certificate!?!?!!

Mr. "Openness" refuses to tell us who visits the WH, why Gerald Walpin was fired or how much his healthcare plan will really cost?

Hint: It's located here [[page 1)

Do you really think that he'll whip out his Kenyan birth certificate?

[4real]

^or college info. and who paid for it, or his tax returns, or health records.

I honestly find it difficult to believe that people would surrender their freedom for government control over their health.
It's about government control, that's been his whole agenda all along.
Obama is being disingenuous when he says you still will have a choice. The government will crush companies or put them out of business with regulation.

[Detroitej72]

Do you really think that he'll whip out his Kenyan birth certificate?

I thought right wingers claim he was born in Indonesia. You guys need to stay consistent with your propaganda.

[Detroitej72]

Detroitj72: Why should 4real be banned? Enlighten us.

They tread the thin line between name calling at times. I never said they should be banned, just think its a possibility.

[ghettopalmetto]

Obama is being disingenuous when he says you still will have a choice. The government will crush companies or put them out of business with regulation.

Awww. Is the right-wing scared that the "inefficient and wasteful" government would beat the asses of the insurance companies if they had to compete?

[ccbatson]

Lots of leftys here name call on a regular basis as well, yet we don't start taking bets on when or if they will be banned...a double standard?

[gibran]

do you really think our justice system ..oh never mind... i was just feeding into the conspiracy theorists...

Folks you have nothing to fear but fear itself and of course your own mind

[ccbatson]

Obama is well aware of this, it slipped out once when he was caught on tape discussing coal/clean coal...in this interview, he clearly explained how indirectly, the twisted political manipulations being pursued would diminish the strength of the industry. Apply this slip up to the broader picture when evaluating Obama's words and actions...now THAT is a scary thought.

[jams]

Obama is well aware of this, it slipped out once when he was caught on tape discussing coal/clean coal...in this interview, he clearly explained how indirectly, the twisted political manipulations being pursued would diminish the strength of the industry. Apply this slip up to the broader picture when evaluating Obama's words and actions...now THAT is a scary thought.

...but, of course, we just have to take your word for it, since you offer nothing more substantial in terms of proof.

[rb336]

^or college info. and who paid for it, or his tax returns, or health records.

I honestly find it difficult to believe that people would surrender their freedom for government control over their health.
It's about government control, that's been his whole agenda all along.
Obama is being disingenuous when he says you still will have a choice. The government will crush companies or put them out of business with regulation.

yet you are perfectly willing to have people surrender their freedom to bloated, overpaid insurance execs whopse goal isn't to improve your health but to make money. It cracks me up how many idiots are willing to buy that right-wing fear-and-smear campaign about losing your choice of doctor and having government come between you and your doctor's decisions when that is exactly what we have now, except instead of government that is ultimately answerable to its constituents we have Dollar Bill and his cronies, answerable to no one, whose only goal is to make money, which means denying you service, refusing to pay on claims, etc. etc. and ALL private health care limits you to doctors THEY want you to see