Socialistic health care goal of the traitors in power

[4real]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...W_VkQD98RT3V81
HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Insurance companies wont succeed.
I'm sure the commie in power will make sure of that.
Hey bitch ^, get of out of our lives and let us decide what we want and need.

Obama wants socialistic single payer [[government controlled) health insurance.
He want to dictate physicians pay, as like some companies he now runs.

The marxist lying hypocrite president who most of you elected here, will ruin the health care system in this country.

now have a good day


Think about how the US runs the VA. They lie about illnesses and deny or give poor care to the armed forces they are supposed to help.

Look at Canada and England, try getting an MRI or prostate check or surgery there if you are a citizen you need to wait months, or die.

[bailey]

Where"s the birth certificate!?!?!!

[Stosh]

Boy that ignore feature works great. Too bad it doesn't block inane posts from the blocked either.

[gibran]

think about the 2700 people that die each year without health care...think about the disparity in health related services for the poor, disabled and elderly...think about people making decisions about health care based on their economics,,,,

do you really understand the difficulties in health care from any sources other than the media?

Here's a good resource for you...Health Care Politics, and Services ..author Almgren

[ghettopalmetto]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...W_VkQD98RT3V81
HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Insurance companies wont succeed.
I'm sure the commie in power will make sure of that.
Hey bitch ^, get of out of our lives and let us decide what we want and need.

Obama wants socialistic single payer [[government controlled) health insurance.
He want to dictate physicians pay, as like some companies he now runs.

The marxist lying hypocrite president who most of you elected here, will ruin the health care system in this country.

now have a good day


Think about how the US runs the VA. They lie about illnesses and deny or give poor care to the armed forces they are supposed to help.

Look at Canada and England, try getting an MRI or prostate check or surgery there if you are a citizen you need to wait months, or die.

It's obvious that our educational system is also a piece of shit.

[Islandman]

It's obvious that our educational system is also a piece of shit.

Second! Surreal is more like it.

[firstandten]

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Obama wants socialistic single payer [[government controlled) health insurance.
He want to dictate physicians pay, as like some companies he now runs.

The marxist lying hypocrite president who most of you elected here, will ruin the health care system in this country.

now have a good day.

This is an indictment on our educational system. People don't read, don't listen, don't have one iota of critical thinking skills and on and on. This is so out in right field I think he's just yanking our chains. Its a sad day when the Rushes and the Becks of the world have become the primary source of information for certain people

[rb336]

[quote=4real;33013HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Insurance companies wont succeed.I'm sure the commie in power will make sure of that.
Hey bitch ^, get of out of our lives and let us decide what we want and need.

Obama wants socialistic single payer [[government controlled) health insurance.
He want to dictate physicians pay, as like some companies he now runs.

The marxist lying hypocrite president who most of you elected here, will ruin the health care system in this country.

now have a good day


Think about how the US runs the VA. They lie about illnesses and deny or give poor care to the armed forces they are supposed to help.

Look at Canada and England, try getting an MRI or prostate check or surgery there if you are a citizen you need to wait months, or die.[/quote]

Been there, done that -- literally. got in quick, got taken care of, and the health insurer didn't try to deny coverage

I would rather have someone under the eye of people I vote for make decisions than people under the eye of Dollar Bill since they are far more concerned with getting their bosses billion-dollar bonuses than whether I get proper treatment

[ccbatson]

The flaw of the logic is this...some people [[8-10 million) don't have insurance to pay for health care [[but can pay directly, or borrow, or whatever), so, here is the solution...Destroy the whole system so that everyone has insurance paid for by the countries producers, but, here is the rub, the care itself falls off a cliff progressiving declining to next to nothing FOR EVERYONE.

[ghettopalmetto]

The flaw of the logic is this...some people [[8-10 million) don't have insurance to pay for health care [[but can pay directly, or borrow, or whatever), so, here is the solution...Destroy the whole system so that everyone has insurance paid for by the countries producers, but, here is the rub, the care itself falls off a cliff progressiving declining to next to nothing FOR EVERYONE.

I don't know. Canadians seem to be pretty healthy, don't you think? I mean, they're certainly not lazy fat fucks like most of the people in our country are.

How about those other 40 million folks you let slip through the sewer grate? What are they supposed to do? Pray???

[Stosh]

The flaw of the logic is this...some people [[8-10 million) don't have insurance to pay for health care [[but can pay directly, or borrow, or whatever), so, here is the solution...Destroy the whole system so that everyone has insurance paid for by the countries producers, but, here is the rub, the care itself falls off a cliff progressiving declining to next to nothing FOR EVERYONE.

I'd prefer next to nothing than have to overpay doctors.

[jcole]

The flaw of the logic is this...some people [[8-10 million) don't have insurance to pay for health care [[but can pay directly, or borrow, or whatever), so, here is the solution...Destroy the whole system so that everyone has insurance paid for by the countries producers, but, here is the rub, the care itself falls off a cliff progressiving declining to next to nothing FOR EVERYONE.

In other words, only the elite of this country should be allowed to have medical care. It is better for them to be cared for in the manner to which they have become accustomed than for the lesser people to be cared for at all.
Typical attitude of the far right. Let them eat cake.

[ccbatson]

Health, and health care are not the same thing.

10 million, not the fallacious 40-50 used by the liberals.

[ghettopalmetto]

Health, and health care are not the same thing.

10 million, not the fallacious 40-50 used by the liberals.

What's your source? I guess your back-of-the-envelope bullshit number carries more weight than the U.S. Census Bureau, huh?

[ccbatson]

The same as yours, minus the 18 million illegals, and the 13 million elligible [[via SCHIP and other non Medicaid/Care programs).

[rb336]

Health, and health care are not the same thing.

10 million, not the fallacious 40-50 used by the liberals.

I have never seen any figure -- not even from CATO -- as low as 10 million

[ccbatson]

It is a simple math problem...subtraction to be precise.

Guess what else, of those 10 million, many of them can afford insurance, but are young/healthy and choose not to to save the money.

[ghettopalmetto]

It is a simple math problem...subtraction to be precise.

Guess what else, of those 10 million, many of them can afford insurance, but are young/healthy and choose not to to save the money.

I don't remember "cashing in the policy to save money" as an option on my health insurance enrollment form.

[ccbatson]

One electing not to purchase a policy doesn't fill out an enrollment form, now do they?

[rb336]

and you still can't substantiate your total BS position

[ghettopalmetto]

One electing not to purchase a policy doesn't fill out an enrollment form, now do they?

One electing not to "purchase" a policy also doesn't get more money from his employer for declining health insurance.

[ccbatson]

Sometimes true, sometimes not. Often not affered employer based insurance, but can buy it on their own [[ie self employed, or part time, young, low risk, low premium and affordable if chosen).

[Bobl]

4real:
I eliminated the name calling and slander from your contribution, but will give my 2 cents worth to answer these points that you raised:

'...Think about how the US runs the VA. They lie about illnesses and deny or give poor care to the armed forces they are supposed to help.

Look at Canada and England, try getting an MRI or prostate check or surgery there if you are a citizen you need to wait months, or die...."

I agree that the VA has been poorly administered. Perhaps all veterans should be offered the adequate care that is the goal of this administration, or the care currently enjoyed by members of the House and Senate.

Two summers ago, when I drove the Canadian renter of the cottage next to our rented one near Grand Bend, Ontario, to the hospital in Exeter, he was given an MRI that day.

[Pam]

Sign the petition for socialistic health care! Yay!

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/

[Omaha]

Nice thread idea 4real. But as a Colbert Conservative and a Social Darwinist I am conflicted about this topic.

Part of me wants to continue the present system of health insurance. Why? Because if trends continue, the rich and well born are most likely to be able to afford health insurance and they will survive in larger numbers than the poor and uninsured…Social Darwinism. To be brutally honest, the really rich and well-born can survive without health insurance...but don't tell anyone.

From a Social Darwinism point of view: what’s not to like about the present system? Employers who don’t provide health insurance for their employees have an economic advantage over those that do. The non-insurers will get more customers and market share, thus driving those “bleeding heart� businesses that provide affordable health insurance for their employees into bankruptcy.

If the double digit increase in costs continues within a decade or two governments will have to pay more to insure their fire and police than it costs to pay them wages! That will end coverage for public sector employees as well. Soon employer-based health insurance programs will end because of cost trends or business failures. Then only the rich and well-born will be able to afford health insurance which will lead to another example of Social Darwinism at work.

I mean that giant of an intellect, President George Bush, pointed out the obvious when he said back in 2007: “I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.� That rules out preventive care for the poor, and it let’s those rich and well-born be diagnosed and treated earlier for any life threatening illnesses. Again Social Darwinism.

The health insurance industry rocks. It’s job is NOT to make America healthier. It only makes money when we are ill and can afford coverage. I like to compare it to Xe [[formerly Blackwater). The health insurance industry has about as much interest in seeing a healthier America as Xe has in preventing needless wars. You’ll never find the health insurance industry engaging in massive lobbying to regulate cigarettes, put calorie contents on fast food or much of anything else that liberals think the government should be sticking its nose in!

The industry’s job is to take in as much in premiums as possible and to pay out as little as possible. Anything not paid out goes to the stockholders. This is an industry makes a profit by denying coverage wherever possible.

But here’s where I get conflicted about this thread. The health care industry may be bureaucratic, as so many large industries [[and governments) are, but the Colbert Conservative in me hopes it can adapt and find a way to buck the trend of the last 20 years. I want it to find a way to still stay affordable for some folks other than the rich and well born.

The industry was able to pull this off for a little while after the Clinton attempt at “reform� in the early 1990s. But the low hanging “cost savings� fruit was picked and the decrease in premiums didn’t last long. The industry even tried rationing health care so that doctors couldn’t do what their professional training told them was needed!

But even knowing that the increase in premiums would again bring it under scrutiny, the industry still wasn’t able to provide what the public wanted: affordable comprehensive quality health care.

Even with market competition it can’t keep the product affordable. The industry has already used many great tricks to keep premiums under control: denying coverage for pre-existing conditions; raising premiums for insuring older people but not for the young and healthy; increasing co-pays; decreasing maximum pay out; increasing stop loss; lack of portability; and letters to covered individuals threatening action if the “overuse� of insurance continues.

I mean let’s be honest, the market has failed this industry. About the only thing that can help at this point is to have the public sector put together a plan that might be attractive to those who can’t comfortably afford private insurance. It might be well received by the buying public and force the private sector to innovate in new and untried ways. But those new ways may lead private healthcare insurers to reduced return on equity. Lower profits would doom the industry. Lower CEO salaries would make it less able to attract the best and brightest who have served the industry so well for the last 20 years.

But I hope the government doesn’t get a shot at competing in the market place. I pray that all the rest of the conservatives on DY will point out all the bad things about the universal coverage plans in every other modern industrialized nation on earth. Then, if we all yell about these problems long enough and loud enough, no one will ever figure out that maybe, just maybe the government could learn from the mistakes that others have made, and benchmark only the positive aspects and combine them into an insurance policy that will compete with the private sector’s plans. Because if they do that, private enterprise and health care as business is dead!

Luckily, money buys power and when you combine the health insurance industry with private hospitals, health care systems as well as pharmaceutical and biotech companies you have some serious power to stop any plans for letting the government promote its own insurance plan.