right wing criminals steal another election

**barnesfoto** · June-13-09, 10:44 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/wo...n.html?_r=1&hp

ccbatson · June-13-09, 10:46 PM

Right wing?

Stosh · June-13-09, 11:31 PM

Obviously your kind of guys, idealogy wise.

**Omaha** · June-14-09, 07:56 AM

Cc, let me explain the history of the term and its applications.

Sometimes there are folks out there who are either caught up in preserving the status quo or return to times past...like in Iran today. They are sometimes referred to as right-wing. Thus sometimes folks refer to conservatives as the right-wing. Heck the U.S. inspired overthrow of Iranâ€™s democratically elected liberal government and the installation of the Shah back in 1953, or there abouts, could even be characterized as being a "right-wing" plot.

I think being labeled â€œright-wingâ€ is something of which to be proud.

Nevertheless, the term right-wing deserves to be merely descriptive and not a pejorative expression. It comes from French history. During the monarchy, nobility bowed to the Kingâ€™s right and the peasants to the Kingâ€™s left.

After the French Revolution [[ending the Divine Right of Kings and all that) and the creation of the National Assembly, those who came from wealth, power and nobility [[read church, military, and aristocracy) sat on the right side of the Assembly and the newly enfranchised small merchants and peasants sat on the left. Those who advocated for the old ways or privilege or for keeping or returning to the old status quo were considered the conservatives. Their opposites who advocated expanding the rights, opportunities, privileges once enjoyed only by the elite were the left-wingâ€¦or the liberals.

In this thread those trying to maintain power and keep decision making power for those affiliated with the "church" and stop â€œliberalizationâ€ are being labeled the "right-wing." I can see where this is being consistent with the term's historical meaning.

But as a Colbert Conservative and Social Darwinist, I can also understand where the term may be confusing for some who live in their own narrow world that is devoid of historical references. Therefore let me observe that, over time, the terms did evolve in modern industrial nations so that the term left came to mean labor and the right to mean capital.

**jams** · June-14-09, 08:17 AM

Very nicely done, Omaha,

Lorax · June-14-09, 11:10 AM

Yes, Omaha, well done. But....

I'm a little concerned how the

and the

are placed.

If you're a Colbert Conservative, it means you're a [[not so)secret liberal. Did I get that right?

The very founding of our nation, our Constitution, Bill of Rights, came from this enlightnment exercise of liberty and freedom, and unfortunately are terms that have been co-opted in the recent past by the right wing in America.

I do feel that the term "right wing" has been labeled a perjorative in recent years, especially in light of the election of Obama, and other populists who owe, in part, their success to the failures of the right.

In practice, though, returning to an earlier time and place is antithetical to the American way of life, and ultimately will fail, as it finally has, I believe.

Instead of continuing with a fairly consistent swing of the pendulum back and forth in our national politics, the election of Obama, and the further regression of the Republican party, is indicative that this swing motion may have played out, and we are finally going to recognize that fundamental change is on the way, restoring our founding fathers' ideals, and fulfilling the promise of constant progression- moving forward rather than backward, which is all the Republicans offer us.

ccbatson · June-14-09, 11:12 PM

That is fair...not American style right wing...a right wing in Iran intent on terror and oppression like the left wing in the US.

Lorax · June-14-09, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

That is fair...not American style right wing...a right wing in Iran intent on terror and oppression like the left wing in the US.

Or, more like the right wing in the USA.

**ejames01** · June-15-09, 06:30 AM

Who are the American left wing terrorizing and oppressing? DO TELL!

Originally Posted by ccbatson

That is fair...not American style right wing...a right wing in Iran intent on terror and oppression like the left wing in the US.

**rb336** · June-15-09, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

That is fair...not American style right wing...a right wing in Iran intent on terror and oppression like the left wing in the US.

not like the right wing here that murders doctors and shoot up museums, eh?

**barnesfoto** · June-15-09, 12:22 PM

well, this excellent site:

tehranbureau.com/

which had been updating us on things going on there has been not so mysteriously shut down.

but their blogsite is still up:

**barnesfoto** · June-15-09, 12:25 PM

http://thr.contralaguerra.org/

ccbatson · June-15-09, 04:06 PM

The right wing in the US does nothing of the sort. A couple of disturbed and criminal individuals committed those crimes.

**Detroitej72** · June-15-09, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The right wing in the US does nothing of the sort. A couple of disturbed and criminal individuals committed those crimes.

What about the right wing wackos who stated, after inauguration day, that someone should shoot Obama, as then they could be sure if he's the anti-christ?

You could also make a case for O'Reily who still refers to Dr. Tuller as "that baby killer", even after his murder, not really condemning the nut gunman for his actions.

So yes, some clowns on the right do that sort of thing, but I would say they are in the minority, fringe element of the conservative movement.

**ejames01** · June-15-09, 09:35 PM

Pastor Drake Prays For Obama's Death. I'm not kidding you

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato...s-death-im-not

There are many people who are full-on crackpots who try to hide who they are behind religion. I don't want to hear anything more ever said about morals or values coming from them.

Colmes: ...you then said, I asked for whom else are you praying in that fashion and you said President Obama. Are you praying for his death?
Drake: Yes.
Colmes: So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?
Drake: Yes. Are you concerned that by saying that you might find yourself on some secret service call or FBI most wanted list. Do you think it's appropriate to say something like that or even pray for something like that?
Drake: I think it's appropriate to pray for the will of God. I'm not saying anything, what I'm doing is repeating what God is saying, if that puts me on somebodies list then I'll just have to be on their list.
Colmes: You would like for the president of the United States to die?
Drake: If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around I am asking God to enforce in imprecatory prayers throughout the scripture that would cause him death, that's correct.

Oh, it's God that's saying it, OK, I feel better now. What a freak. He also was a running mate with inmate Alan Keyes and said this about Dr. Tiller:

A former Southern Baptist Convention officer who on June 2 called the death of abortion provider George Tiller an answer to prayer said later in the day he is also praying "imprecatory prayer" against President Obama.
Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.
Drake said he didn't pray for Tiller to be murdered -- only that God would take his life by some method -- but that he "absolutely" believed that God wanted the doctor dead.

Here's what it says on his homepage:

Join us on the "Wiley Drake in Buena Park" show Monday thru Thursday at 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. California time. www.crusaderadio.com
The theme of the show is Do Justice, Love Mercy, and Walk with God. This theme is based on Micah 6:8 and Matthew 23:23.

In his case I guess mercy means that he hopes President Obama dies...
You can see what he looks like in this clip.

Pastor Wiley Drake in action at the Orange County Board of Supervisors meeting on March 10, 2009 as he attacks Planned Parenthood and Obama.

He's also a birther and calls President Obama an illegal alien.

**Detroitej72** · June-15-09, 09:58 PM

He sounds like another, in a long list, of right wing nuts.

I wonder, as long as Obama lives, will he see it as God's will, and repent for his misguided ideas?

I somehow doubt it, as it would destroy his pathetic rhetoric.

Lorax · June-15-09, 11:58 PM

Pastor Drake and Alan Keyes seriously need to be institutionalized.

Keyes is one of the most unhinged individuals next to Randall Terry or Fred Phelps I've seen. They are a danger to national security and need to be tucked away for our saftey, and theirs.

Keyes is particularly freaky due to his gay-bashing, all the while having a lesbian daughter, who later called him out on his fascist fringe ways.

**firstandten** · June-16-09, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lorax

Pastor Drake and Alan Keyes seriously need to be institutionalized.

Keyes is one of the most unhinged individuals next to Randall Terry or Fred Phelps I've seen. They are a danger to national security and need to be tucked away for our saftey, and theirs.

Keyes is particularly freaky due to his gay-bashing, all the while having a lesbian daughter, who later called him out on his fascist fringe ways.

I don't know whats in the water in Maryland when you can get two republican tokens like Michael Steele and Alan Keyes running around. At least be like J.C. Watts if your going to play that game. At least he has some class.

**barnesfoto** · June-16-09, 01:12 AM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/armin_bb/

**rb336** · June-16-09, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The right wing in the US does nothing of the sort. A couple of disturbed and criminal individuals committed those crimes.

ah the joy of plausible deniability

**Detroitej72** · June-16-09, 05:59 PM

Wow, Bats is silent on this one. He must realize he has a loosing argument.

ccbatson · June-16-09, 11:46 PM

Silent? did you miss the post immediately above and the one it refers too?

4real · June-17-09, 06:23 PM

the NAZI's were left wingers,
National Socialists,
They promoted the failure of laissez faire capitalism, just like our democratic party.

**Detroitej72** · June-17-09, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Silent? did you miss the post immediately above and the one it refers too?

You conveniently overlooked my post #14, thus your silence.

**Detroitej72** · June-17-09, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by 4real

the NAZI's were left wingers,
National Socialists,
They promoted the failure of laissez faire capitalism, just like our democratic party.

You need to reread some history books, as you have no clue what constitutes left wing.

The Nazi's were very much right wing, as they played to nationalism which is consistent with the right wing. The name national socialist was twisted so that the party actually had little to due with socialism.