Michigan Tribes Take the Lead on Green

[gazhekwe]

Governor Granholm and Michigan Tribes sign accord to reduce greenhouse gasses



June 12, 2009


Sault Ste. Marie - Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm and 12 Sovereign Tribes of Michigan signed an accord to fight Global Warming by reducing greenhouse gasses. Governor Granholm and Tribal Leaders have been leading their respective nations in addressing Global Warming and re-energizing what Michigan does best, manufacture a new century’s transition to a green economy that is the fastest job creator in the state. [[emphasis added)
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In addition to Granholm, the accord was also signed by leaders of the following tribes:

Bay Mills Indian Community
Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians
Hannahville Indian Community
Keweenaw Bay Indian Community
Lac Vieux Desert Band of Lake Superior Chippewa
Little River Band of Ottawa Indians
Little Traverse Bay Bands of Odawa Indians
Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians
Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi Indians
Pokagon Band of Potawatomi Indians
Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe
Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians



http://michiganmessenger.com/20852/g...-indian-tribes

[ccbatson]

As long as it isn't binding law imposed on the free will and liberty of thinking individuals.

[gazhekwe]

No, silly. It's about the JOBS. You should be getting right in line there. Follow the money, honey.

[ccbatson]

No thank you...fake government jobs paid for by taxpayers to pursue a fake concept like man made global warming which will further limit individual liberty as idiots chase their tails trying to decrease their carbon footprint [[except the biggest idiot, Al Gore himself) for absolutely no reason other than to enrich the conmen and women behind this farce.

[Stosh]

No thank you...fake government jobs paid for by taxpayers to pursue a fake concept like man made global warming which will further limit individual liberty as idiots chase their tails trying to decrease their carbon footprint [[except the biggest idiot, Al Gore himself) for absolutely no reason other than to enrich the conmen and women behind this farce.

Once again, CC, you're talking out of your behind.
Eliminate Global Warming from the picture for a minute.Job creation in the renewable energy field is a desirable thing, both for labor and business [[your beloved "producers"). Imagine that renewable energy can be used as a catalyst toward reuse of properties currently abandoned? Can you envision saving businesses money by designing energy efficient buildings that will save their businesses cold hard cash in energy costs?

Judging from your previous postings, this hasn't crossed your mind. Are there "producers" willing to save the world? Sure. But you, sadly aren't one of them. Rand would be dissapointed, I think.

[gibran]

Flat Landers of the world unite...

[ccbatson]

Job creation in the form of taxpayer funded subsidized to create a market that doesn't exist for an inferior and more costly product than already exists, while, at the same time blockading domestic energy [[oil) exploration and independence and penalizing its' use while artificially driving up the price to line the pockets of the Saudis???

Wonderful idea...if you are a Marxist like Obama.

[Bigb23]

Job creation in the form of taxpayer funded subsidized to create a market that doesn't exist for an inferior and more costly product than already exists, while, at the same time blockading domestic energy [[oil) exploration and independence and penalizing its' use while artificially driving up the price to line the pockets of the Saudis???

Wonderful idea...if you are a Marxist like Obama.

And we have found a typical Cc post. To line the pockets of the Saudis???

[ccbatson]

Yes, if we do not tap our vast oil resources, the supply in the market diminishes and the price goes up...more profit for the Saudis.

Did anyone else notice how the per barrel prices plummeted when Bush announced a lifting of an executive prohibition on offshore drilling, and more so when the congress relented on the moratorium? Even more telling is the increases now that Obama has reinstituted the government blockage of domestic energy exploration. Liberals were erroneously attributing the earlier drop in price to decrease in demand secondary to the economic downturn...however, demand/use [[and unfortunately, the economy) have not recently rebounded, so there goes that theory as the price passes 70 dollars a barrel again.

[gazhekwe]

Thiink of it this way, CC. If we do not start planning for Seven Generations into the future, this world will be in a lot of hurt for our great great grandchildren.

The price of oil going up is actually a good thing, because it forces that large block of people who think only of themselves to start thinking of the consequences of excess consumption. They then have a reason to join those who think further ahead than the dollar in their own pocket.

Welcome to the world of the responsible.

[oladub]

Bats, What's your problem with this? The article said absolutely nothing about any new government spending. If the tribal representatives believe in global warming, it only makes sense for them to act on their beliefs and pursue their collective happiness. Even if global warming does turn out to be a little hyped, oil is a finite and dirty resource. Its cost will be going up. What these tribes seem to be doing is no different than the decision made in millions of households regarding purchasing more fuel efficient cars or turning out unused lights.

[mjs]

Boy, you people sure read what you want to read between the lines. The article mentions nothing about jobs. How many times do you have to eat the shit sandwhich Granholm tells you is a meatball sub before you realize you're being handed yet another shit sandwhich?

"re-energizing what Michigan does best, manufacture a new century’s transition to a green economy that is the fastest job creator in the state."

What a crock of shit. We're still building coal plants and finally starting hybrids seven years after the Prius was introduced to market and most of the jobs we were supposed to get with Granholm's wonderful tax breaks and worldwind tours have never materialized. What jobs have really been created? 50, maybe 100 at most. Most corporations have bigger janitorial staffs than that. Are we even in the top 20 States for real actual working live projects?

An actress/attorney signed a piece of paper with a bunch of people who don't know shit about engineering or innovation saying they'll have a couple of meetings a year. Call me when GE or Siemens is breaking ground. You guys need to raise your standards a whole whole lot higher. This region has the problems it does because people get all excited about a big change when something happens like a second rate company changing their mission statement. Its all smoke and mirrors and bullshit and if I'm blown away at all, I'm blown away by the stupidity of people that still believe talk over results.

Watch Dirty Job's "Brown before Green" episodes and then when you see the brown jobs appearing here, you'll know Michigan's benefits are more than just hype. If we're smart we can invent cost effective ways to save the planet, such as the energy efficient light bulbs or turning toxic waste in building materials. If it can't be justified on a cost basis, it will be replaced by something that can, and the place that does that will be exporting patented products and methods rather than jobs and population. Right now, California is going to beat our asses silly because their standards mean they have to innovate and once the product is available, everyone will decide to switch to California standards.

[gazhekwe]

We are working on a whole different plane. For Anishinaabek, the time of the Seventh Fire approaches, when the light-skinned race will be faced with two roads. One road leads to peace, the other returns to the destruction they brought here with them. Will we see the Eighth Fire, the fire of peace and brotherhood?

[rb336]

Yes, if we do not tap our vast oil resources, the supply in the market diminishes and the price goes up...more profit for the Saudis.

Did anyone else notice how the per barrel prices plummeted when Bush announced a lifting of an executive prohibition on offshore drilling, and more so when the congress relented on the moratorium? Even more telling is the increases now that Obama has reinstituted the government blockage of domestic energy exploration. Liberals were erroneously attributing the earlier drop in price to decrease in demand secondary to the economic downturn...however, demand/use [[and unfortunately, the economy) have not recently rebounded, so there goes that theory as the price passes 70 dollars a barrel again.

you have that bass ackwards, as usual

[ccbatson]

Ola...I did point out that I have no qualm as long as these things were not imposed on people without their consent. We then went on to debate the lack of merits for the concept [[greenness).

[gazhekwe]

Well, guess which road CC will pick.

[ccbatson]

The road to liberty...of course.

[gazhekwe]

Hmm, me, too. I guess there must be different visions of that trail.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "Job creation in the form of taxpayer funded subsidized to create a market that doesn't exist for an inferior and more costly product than already exists,"

LOL.... That pretty much sums it up. As long as oil is as cheap as it is, forget it. I know, I know we're running out of oil. We've been running out since 72. By all estimates at the time we were supposed to be out already. like 20 years ago.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "If we do not start planning for Seven Generations into the future,"

Like they planned for us seven generations ago?

[gazhekwe]

Seven generations ago, our people were besieged by change. They did try to plan ahead, not knowing what the future would hold. The treaties in Michigan contain provisions for education of the young people, so that they could better live in a different world. Because they were stripped of their land and livelihood, they could not very well plan for a future they could not fathom.

[gibran]

By not following the wisedom of Seven generational thinking creates the typeof world we struggle with today...and as far as the concept not being friendly to personal liberty..well if that equates to personal greed and no communal responsibility- you have to ask yourself what is liberty if it hidden behind the walls of the self absorbed.

[ccbatson]

Liberty is pure self interest and THE highest moral value possible. As a side effect, it is the most beneficial to the common good and prosperity.

[oladub]

For the fun of it, I went back into my family tree seven generations. That ancestor, Joseph De---- , was born on a different continent in 1719 eighteen years after Cadilac founded French Detroit. The US did not exist . Let's say that by 1750 he had some say in his society. This was a time in the Lowlands when, according to Poortvliet, people were freezing to death, there were packs of roaming wolves, cattle plagues, mattresses harbored mice, boys were employed at age 11, and people had scabies and defecated on the street in public. Back then, people couldn't even imagine what our world is like today. Maybe they could have worried about making whales extinct and thus running our of whale oil. Seven generations from now, we too will be looked at as ignorant brutes.

I don't mean to make light about 'seven generations', but we would be doing good to figure out how the world will change in 40 years and try to address that. Our fossil fuels are being exhausted. However, a revenue neutral tax on fossil fuels offset by a decrease in income taxes would have accomplished nearly as much ecologically and be superior financially to the massive and regressive middle class Cap and Trade tax. A carbon tax would have changed behavior. Consumers would begin living closer to work, buying smaller cars, turning off lights, etc.. There is no need for creating new bureaucracies to funnel our money through to accomplish the same thing unless, of course, the goal was other than looking after the planet.

[gazhekwe]

I actually agree with you about the 40 year plan. That is just one step on the path to planning for Seven Generations. If we could just take that ONE STEP, we would be a lot further ahead.