Right Wing Terrorists

**Detroitej72** · June-11-09, 06:55 PM

In the last few weeks, we've seen an upswing in right wing terrorist attacks. There was the murder of Dr. Tiller and now the white supremest killing a guard at the Holocaust Museum.

This is reminiscent of the time during Clinton's Presidency when you had a rise in the whole militia movement, and came to a head with the Alfred Murrah Building bombing by right wing nut job Tim McVie. Hell, that hero of the right, G. Gordon Liddy even told people on his show that when shooting at ATF Agents, aim for their heads, as they have on bullet proof vests.

Right wing wackos spew this bile and hatred all the time on the radio and especially the Internet. Rush, Hannity, Beck, and O'Reily have their little code speak which can set off any number of these pathetic parasites in much the same way as Bin Ladin sets off his band of murderers. Beck even went so far as to say Obama caused this latest attack because of his policies. Its not too much of a stretch to imagine some of societies least stable folks would hear that as a call to arms against anyone who doesn't share their warped views.

And the right wing talking heads are pretty mild compared to the things one can find on line or at rallies thrown by conservative causes. Think back to when Palin was at rallies and people were shouting "kill him" and she claimed he was "paling around with terrorists" about Obama.

It's time to hold these clowns responsible for their words. The right likes to claim rap and hip hop encourage thug life, crime, and drug use, but their accusations fall silent when terrorists act on behalf of causes that they hold near and dear to their hearts. You can't have it both ways.

Its time for all Americans, right and left, to join together, and put a stop to this madness.

cheddar bob · June-11-09, 10:37 PM

Don't forget the Tennessee church shooter that hated liberals. Are conservatives more prone to violence against those they don't agree with?

ccbatson · June-11-09, 10:39 PM

The Nazi perpetrator...being a Nazi...is a national socialist by ideology...a liberal.

If score is being kept, liberals will be in the lose column on this topic. It is a good thing that the mainstream media will suppress all liberal damaging news.

Lorax · June-12-09, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The Nazi perpetrator...being a Nazi...is a national socialist by ideology...a liberal.

If score is being kept, liberals will be in the lose column on this topic. It is a good thing that the mainstream media will suppress all liberal damaging news.

I would really love to see your photograph.

No doubt you look alot like this

Your words I'm sure match your looks.

Lorax · June-12-09, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by cheddar bob

Don't forget the Tennessee church shooter that hated liberals. Are conservatives more prone to violence against those they don't agree with?

And the Jesusfreak who shot and killed two people as it was announced Obama won the election.

**bailey** · June-12-09, 08:28 AM

The Nazi perpetrator...being a Nazi...is a national socialist by ideology...a liberal.

If score is being kept, liberals will be in the lose column on this topic. It is a good thing that the mainstream media will suppress all liberal damaging news.

I'd like to see one make that claim at neo-nazi rally [[a movement of which Mr. VonBraun was a 'revered' elder) and see just how far one would get with that meme before one is beaten to a pulp.

No matter how much Glenn Beck wants to pretend this guy is a 'liberal' is just isn't true. The man himself and all who adhere to his movement's tenants would [[and are) rejecting that proposition. He was a crazy nut job... he was a 'right wing' crazy nutjob....right wing crazy nutjobs can be violent. [[just like crazy left wing suv burning, tree huggers.) Pretending as much isn't so, simply makes one look as though they are incredibly stupid, or willfully blind to facts, or simply a liar.

**ghettopalmetto** · June-12-09, 08:35 AM

That Glenn Beck--such a paragon of the Personal Responsibility for which the right wing is known.

**rb336** · June-12-09, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The Nazi perpetrator...being a Nazi...is a national socialist by ideology...a liberal.

If score is being kept, liberals will be in the lose column on this topic. It is a good thing that the mainstream media will suppress all liberal damaging news.

ah, yes. Nazis were such big supporters of liberal ideas such as the right to organize, etc., etc. that is why the first group they went after were the labor unions and trade guilds, and other liberal organizations. they were right-wing extremists and all your attempts to newspeak them will not change the facts, which, yet again, have a clear liberal bias

**gibran** · June-12-09, 09:05 AM

Yahoo ask: DID HITLER KILL SOCIALSTS: who didn't he kill was one answer: 6 million Jews and 5 million others, including People with Disabilities, Gypsies, Catholic Priests and other ethnic and political minorities... So please the socialists who helped establish Israel would be insulted to even say Hitler was a socialist, that is a great insult for many Jewish people who were socialist along with the other ethnic groups that at a point flirted with socialism during the great {capitalist) depression.

Yahoo Answer:
Why did Hitler murder all the socialists in his government on the Night of Long Knives?
Why did Hitler jail and murder socialists all during his nightmare regime? I just wonder since so many people see the 'socialist' in National Socialist.... party and think Hitler was a socialist.

Do some people who call him a socialist just do that to offer some kind of proof against socialism?

**Mikeg** · June-12-09, 09:19 AM

Since you guys seem to relish the opportunity to exploit the senseless murders of individuals for political gain, how about using your "expertise" at determining motives and tell us what kind of politically-tinged label you would hang on these murderers: A, B, C.

**bailey** · June-12-09, 09:52 AM

Since you guys seem to relish the opportunity to exploit the senseless murders of individuals for political gain, how about using your "expertise" at determining motives and tell us what kind of politically-tinged label you would hang on these murderers: A, B, C.

Who is exploiting anything? the title of the thread is "right wing terrorism". The comments above are simply rejecting the parroting of the incredibly intellectually bankrupt meme that neo nazis are somehow "liberal" or "left wing". I believe it is also a discussion of the unserious and incredibly irresponsible fanning of delusional and violent right wing conspiracy theorists persecution delusions by those that hold themselves up as responsible members of the media. [[beck oreilly, limbaugh...etc)

And wouldn't the man who shot up the recruiting center and the DC snipers be of the religious fanatic/islamist terrorist categorey...ergo "right wing" as well? I believe they cited religious commands of their faith as reasons for killings.

**gibran** · June-12-09, 10:41 AM

we are starting to see a correlation of hate and action:

We are still in the mode of blame and game, when Rev. Wright rallies against Obama and Jews I find it laughable and hypocritical...when Rush et al provokes the extremists it is inciteful...when Letterman is joking about rape it is distasteful, when extreme right wing cant't get over a birth certificate it is sour grapes,when Palin uses her family and her beleifs to further her career it is unbeleivable...we are living in times where civility and humanity is suffering from an acute case of greed, huberus and a general dumbing down of critical thinking...

It is like the extremist in the right saying Obama is an Arab [[always refering to his middle name) and then saying he is controled by the Jews....guess that is one way of reuniting the fueding cousins..

**oladub** · June-12-09, 11:25 AM

Picking up on something Bailey mentioned. Is everyone including religious terrorists in the 'right wing terrorist' column? Dr. Tiller's murderer had religious motives. I think I heard that there have been 6 abortionists murdered over the years that they and their co-workers have 'performed' over 40,000,000 removals of unwanted cell tissue. I don't know if all six murderers were religiously motivated but lets say they were. Then there was the murder of the army recruiter in Arkansas a couple of weeks ago by someone with religious motives. For some reason, that murder was back paged and the MSM didn't give it much play. We all know about the 3,000 9/11 deaths caused by religious terrorists. President Obama sends missiles into Pakistani villages, there was Jant Reno's Waco incident, and The Unibomber wasn't a rightist but that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about the huge numbers of right wing based murders and that so often have a religious motive. Religiously oreinted murderers, even if from mid-east countries, often come from the right wing of their respective countries.

Timothy McVeigh, whom Detroitj72 mentioned, was a special case of right wing terrorist as exposed by the Wall Street Journal. McVeigh didn't seem to be religious and who knows where his partners were coming from. Warning: this isn't the Clinton administration's self-serving story line.
http://www.jaynadavis.com/wsj.html
http://www.jaynadavis.com/law.html

**Pam** · June-12-09, 12:24 PM

Museum shooter was a "birther":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw-2SCNPyUs

**Sstashmoo** · June-12-09, 12:47 PM

A lot of people are ticked off in this country. They are losing their jobs and their homes, watching their family members suffer, family members commiting suicide because of the economy. Look how many are jumping off over passes, look how many are barricading themselves in their homes and shooting it out with the police. All in the name of "free trade" and "globalization".

**Mikeg** · June-12-09, 01:00 PM

And how do you folks know whether the most recent of these murderers mentioned here were insane at the time they acted and therefore cannot be held accountable for their actions?

Who needs a fair trial and the establishment of the facts before assigning a motive to a murderer's actions - especially when it can be conjured up and conjoined with the word "terrorist" in an attempt to score meaningless political points? Apparently no one who posts on the Non-Detroit Issues forum here at DetroitYes.

**jcole** · June-12-09, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeg

And how do you folks know whether the most recent of these murderers mentioned here were insane at the time they acted and therefore cannot be held accountable for their actions?

Who needs a fair trial and the establishment of the facts before assigning a motive to a murderer's actions - especially when it can be conjured up and conjoined with the word "terrorist" in an attempt to score meaningless political points? Apparently no one who posts on the Non-Detroit Issues forum here at DetroitYes.

Let it happen to someone you love, and then let's see how much you care if they were insane or not.

**Mikeg** · June-12-09, 01:37 PM

Let it happen to someone you love, and then let's see how much you care if they were insane or not.

And if it happened to someone I loved, it wouldn't matter to me whether or not they were found legally insane, just as it wouldn't matter if the posters here wrote that they thought the murderer was a "right wing" or "left wing "terrorist". I would still grieve and expect that that justice is served.

ccbatson · June-12-09, 02:09 PM

Rb...Nazism was/is the prime example of liberal fascism...see Jonah Goldberg's book on the subject.

**bailey** · June-12-09, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

see Jonah Goldberg's book on the subject.

Isn't that a little like citing a book by Al Gore to a Global Warming denier. Not exactly an unbiased reference there.

**gibran** · June-12-09, 03:02 PM

what an insult to the thousands of Jewish Liberals and Socialists who served our world and were law abiding intellectuals that just happened to have a different political perspective..Goldberg is a neocon hack.

**rb336** · June-12-09, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Rb...Nazism was/is the prime example of liberal fascism...see Jonah Goldberg's book on the subject.

liberal fascism is an oxymoron, just because some RW/ashcroft-backed hack like Goldberg rights a fiction about it, with points that have been debunked HERE and can easily be debunked by anyone with a lick of critical thinking ability, says it isn't, doesn't make it so

perhaps a review from The American Conservative will help you out:

"Not without reason was Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism widely expected to be a bad book. As many predicted from the title, Goldberg does not content himself with rebuking those who call anyone who disagrees with them a fascist. Instead, he invents reasons of his own for calling anyone who disagrees with Jonah Goldberg a fascist. Liberal Fascism confirms anew George Orwell’s remark—cited by Goldberg without irony—that fascism has no meaning today other than “something not desirable.”

**Papasito** · June-12-09, 03:57 PM

Right Wing Terrorists

Let's do a little history about the origins of the KKK...

After The Civil Rights Act was passed Democrat President Lyndon Johnson praised Republicans for their overwhelming support.

The Republican Party was formed by anti-slavery activists to combat the pro-slavery Democrats

The Ku Klux Klan was formed by radical Democrats who opposed equality for blacks

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http://www.carnellknowledge.com/inte...d-republicans/

In addition, both the President and VP of the Confederate States of America were both Democrats.
The roots of the KKK movement were caused by disgruntled southern Democrats after the Civil War.
The Confederate flag is a Democrat flag.

The reality check is in.

**rb336** · June-12-09, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Papasito

Let's do a little history about the origins of the KKK...
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http://www.carnellknowledge.com/inte...d-republicans/

In addition, both the President and VP of the Confederate States of America were both Democrats.
The roots of the KKK movement were caused by disgruntled southern Democrats after the Civil War.
The Confederate flag is a Democrat flag.

The reality check is in.

the reality check is that yes, prior to the late 19th century, the dems were right-wing, and in southern states, many still are. Until the fall of TR, republicans were progressives. Lincoln gave many anti-capitalist speeches for gods' sake, one, famously, to the illinois legislature

**ejames01** · June-12-09, 04:10 PM

That is just plain absurd. Neither party is anything like they were in the 1870's anymore than the world is the same as that time.

Originally Posted by Papasito

Let's do a little history about the origins of the KKK...
.
http://www.carnellknowledge.com/inte...d-republicans/

In addition, both the President and VP of the Confederate States of America were both Democrats.
The roots of the KKK movement were caused by disgruntled southern Democrats after the Civil War.
The Confederate flag is a Democrat flag.

The reality check is in.