Metro Times cover package on Moroun

[BShea]

and we get it, you like rich people's asses, and want to live in a developed country, but with the tax structure of an undeveloped country...

We get it: You hate the individualism and free-market economy that made us into the greatest nation on Earth, and you prefer to see the United States become an authoritarian Leftist state in which the prole-like population meekly hands over its earnings to the government in return for nanny state programs and "the greater good."

Who built our nations interstate freeway system again?

The highways built to move tanks, you mean? I have nothing against normal income taxes. But this entire conversation has been about confiscation of earned wealth after a person's death, which Leftists on here believe is more "moral" [[giving it to people who didn't earn it as a social justice notion) than the person who earned it decided what happens to it.

[Lorax]

Barnesfoto put it more succinctly than I could, Shea is just another ass kissing apoligist for the Rethugnican right, who never met a sludge fund he didn't like.

He'll negate the deeds of past republicans like Eisenhower as being too "socialist" at least that's the inference, and in the same breath worship at the feet of Tedddy Roosevelt as if he bore any resemblance to a modern day conservative.

In case you weren't aware Nostradamus, President Benjamin Harrison, a Republican, signed the Sherman Antitrust Act into law in 1890, which as we all know broke up Standard Oil, and funny, it didn't seem to put a hole in the bank account of John D. Rockefeller, he died 47 years later the richest man on earth.

It was your modern day "conservatives" like Alan Greenspan, Milton Friedman, and Robert Bork who wrote lengthy diatribes against the Sherman Act as "stifiling free markets" that would be the cause of negative growth in the future.

Well, like much of what these three stooges wrote and believed in, it ended up being just another bag of fascist tripe.

So don't give me your sad sack stories of feeling jilted on the way to the tax altar, Simon Legree.

You live in a mind construct that defies any sort of logic, and now that I know you work for Crain's it sort of all makes sense- you might as well be working for the Murdoch Street Journal.

Why your insistence that anyone here mentioned the Inheritance Tax, and your continued carping about losing your income to the government after you're dead and buried is really disturbing on all levels.

First of all that it has any relevence to what any of us were talking about, secondly that there is an iota of truth that Obama is even considering such a move.

Obama is actually more conservative that Bush ever was, and certainly more conservative than your beloved Teddy Roosevelt.

And your opening line about how you've deconstructed my arguments applies only to those who share your medieval ideology, Torquemada.

Oh, and the cheap shot about my using "fascist" as much as I do, well, if the shoe fits.

There is no more accurate description, since you and your kind advocate for corporations and government to be co-mingled to a point we can't tell them apart. Except that when rethugnicans control both, the rest of us get screwed.

That's what fascism is, and no amount of rethugnican shape shifting the language will change that.

In fact, with your level of understanding of government and how it works, perhaps you should partner with Saracuda Failin, the Witch from Wasilla, for a run at White House in 2012.

With her broomstick and your time machine, you could probably bring back the 15th century, much as the Taliban has in the middle east.

I would actually donate to that campaign!

[Diehard]

Umm... I forgot... was this post about Matty Maroun and the bridge and the effect of his actions on Southwest Detroit?

[BShea]

More tired canards and empty rhetoric from another bottom-shelf, dime store coffeehouse radical, all of which continues to avoid the central question I put forward:

How is it more moral or "right" for the government to seize my wealth after my death and redistribute it to people that didn't earn it versus me deciding where that money goes?

You can't answer it. Instead, you retreat into unoriginal bromides and insults straight from a typical adolescent radical's blog.

Seriously, put aside your Daily Kos talking points, quit creating these silly ideological strawmen and sack up and answer the question. I don't want more Mother Jones nonsense, I want an answer.

Also, after you wipe the spittle from your chin after that breathless post, show me where I advocated from completely unrestrained commerce or co-mingling of private enterprise and government?

You are the one that apparently with a rigid dogmatic devotion to all things Far Left, and utterly incapable of a pragmatic approach to government and business. And you also fire salvo after salvo of absurd accusations about my personal philosophy and ideology, of which you know zero about apart from my abhorrence of sending more money to a corrupt and inept government to misspend.

You also apparently don't know much about TR. Shocker, that.

Countdown to more schoolyard insults and colorful political rhetoric that completely avoids answering the question I posed.

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[Lorax]

I won't be baited by your fascist rhetoric.

Typical move to discredit the message without so much as a single proven workable piece of ideology from the elitist right.

Every backward looking, free-market crap bag of tricks your tribe has tried the last 30 years brought us to this moment.

Quite a Welcome Wagon gift basket to leave at Obama's doorstep. It's your president, George Tush who did this to us, standing on the shoulders of midgets like GB41, and RR.

Blah, blah, blah on the point of the Inheritance Tax, which is apparently your flogging pony of the moment.

If you're a Rethugnican worthy of the name, you've already set up an offshore corporation, and a living trust to protect your immense wealth from the greedy hands of Uncle Sam.

If you don't have one, I know a great liberal lawyer who can set you up.

Amazing how much low-rent rhetoric you're capable of while speaking for a discredited party of flatulating southern, white cotton-tops without a shred of decency or gratitude as to the incredible luck they had in being ditch-delivered in the United States.

Ungrateful and greedy are words to best describe it.

Well, the only solace the liberals have in all of this is knowing you've been hoisted on your own petard.

Like Prick Cheney leaving office in a wheelchair, and Jerry Flawell leaving his office in a bodybag- an incidental pleasure

[BShea]

I won't be baited by your fascist rhetoric.

LMFAO.

Are you for real? Or did Central Casting send you here?

You can't answer the question. CAN'T. There's no rhetoric involved. You've been exposed as a simple dupe who parrots talking points. You retreat into insults and the safety of Bush-bashing [[the political equivalent of knock-knock jokes, with all the depth and intellectual horsepower).

This is both an epic FAIL and epic MELT on your part.

I'll try again: How is it more moral or "right" for the government to seize my wealth after my death and redistribute it to people that didn't earn it versus me deciding where that money goes?

There's nothing fascist about that question. You should be able to answer it, comrade.

[Lorax]

I won't be baited by your fascist rhetoric.

LMFAO.

Are you for real? Or did Central Casting send you here?

You can't answer the question. CAN'T. There's no rhetoric involved. You've been exposed as a simple dupe who parrots talking points. You retreat into insults and the safety of Bush-bashing [[the political equivalent of knock-knock jokes, with all the depth and intellectual horsepower).

This is both an epic FAIL and epic MELT on your part.

I'll try again: How is it more moral or "right" for the government to seize my wealth after my death and redistribute it to people that didn't earn it versus me deciding where that money goes?

There's nothing fascist about that question. You should be able to answer it, comrade.

I could say the same for you, Comrade.

Since taxation is your new talking point, tell me, which government are you so paranoid of that has announced the pending seizure of your estate?

Certainly not the US government. This red-herring argument isn't even a topic on this thread, much less on the radar of anyone but the wealth-afflicted.

It's more "moral" to use an overused Rethugnican term, to tax you at the 90% rate while you're still cranking out those millions.

Personally, I have never been an advocate of income taxes for anyone earning under 2 million per year- I have been in favor of taxing wealth over that amount on a graduated scale, up to 90% over, say, 5 million per annum.

Corporations should bear the brunt of the heavy lifting when it comes to taxation, combined with tarrifs and other forms of income to supply the fed with the funds necessary to provide us socialized health care, a military, paid-for public education, etc.

Of course, corporations would have to curtail the pay for their executives, something they constantly fight, thinking somehow any individual's labor is worth hundreds of millions per year.

Then there wouldn't even be the need for an Inheritance Tax

Again, I want names of those who have proposed seizing your immense wealth, which is apparently dangling out there like plums on a tree, unprotected from seizure, telling me you have a really lousy estate planner.

The policies of your presidents Tush & Cheney have taken more from your kids future than any amount of Inheritance Tax would.

With the collapsing dollar, and the massive deficits, Interitance Tax is the least of their worries.

I guess I've given up on trying to elicit an answer from you.

Your paranoia is breathtaking.

[BShea]

I could say the same for you, Comrade.

Personal liberty, individualism and personal choice trumps a coercive, authoritarian Leftist state seizing my money, every time.

Maybe you think Congress and the president are better people than yourself to make decisions on what to do with money you've amassed [[and already paid taxes upon), and maybe you're OK with them seizing any of it. I'm not.

Since taxation is your new talking point, tell me, which government are you so paranoid of that has announced the pending seizure of your estate?

No, it's the same point I've been arguing on this thread with a bunch of moonbats. No where did I suggest it was imminent. I'm simply deconstructing the Leftist claptrap.

It's more "moral" to use an overused Rethugnican term, to tax you at the 90% rate while you're still cranking out those millions.

So say you. Using the tax system as a punitive weapon to enforce your perverse notions of "social justice" and as a brake on entrepreneurship is unsurprising from someone who lusts for more central planning and government involvement in our lives. You wish to punish those who have done well because you're incapable of getting there yourself, either by birth or sweat, no?

Personally, I have never been an advocate of income taxes for anyone earning under 2 million per year- I have been in favor of taxing wealth over that amount on a graduated scale, up to 90% over, say, 5 million per annum.

How very populist of you -- doing good with other people's money, specifically those evil rich people.

Corporations should bear the brunt of the heavy lifting when it comes to taxation, combined with tarrifs and other forms of income to supply the fed with the funds necessary to provide us socialized health care, a military, paid-for public education, etc.

"Alex, I'll take "The quickest path to turn American into a Third World state for $500."

If there's no incentive to make money though business because you can't make reasonable profits, you've destroyed this nation. Not surprisingly, you're alone in your beliefs.

Why should I start a business when I can pay no income tax and no business tax by staying at home and relying on government handouts from the welfare nanny state?

Of course, corporations would have to curtail the pay for their executives, something they constantly fight, thinking somehow any individual's labor is worth hundreds of millions per year.

It's called market economics. CEOs and NFL quarterbacks are paid huge sums for very specific market reasons.

Then there wouldn't even be the need for an Inheritance Tax

Because there would be nothing to inherit. We'd all live dreary, hardscrabble lives -- the very sort we saw in the Soviet Union. What a noble goal, pal.

Again, I want names of those who have proposed seizing your immense wealth, which is apparently dangling out there like plums on a tree, unprotected from seizure, telling me you have a really lousy estate planner.

This was an academic argument started by others making stupid comments that required a response. I'm not losing any sleep over it, especially because I know people like you will never, ever achieve power. Americans aren't interested in living under the communism you propose. Each according to his means, and other claptrap.

The policies of your presidents Tush & Cheney have taken more from your kids future than any amount of Inheritance Tax would.

My presidents? I didn't vote for them.

With the collapsing dollar, and the massive deficits, Interitance Tax is the least of their worries.

I guess I've given up on trying to elicit an answer from you.

You ask no questions. You sit in your underwear at your keyboard in mom's basement, madly pounding at the keys and frothing Leftist gibberish that only coffeehouse radicals and tweedy college professors take seriously.

Your paranoia is breathtaking.

I'd be paranoid living in the sort of false-Utopian police state you lust for.

[Doma]

BShea, you are my new hero on this board.

It's amazing that people who have watched democratic leadership dismantle the cities wealth over decades are begging for more socialist policies.

It's like watching a crack fiend who has lost it all from his or her habit do anything to get just one more precious rock.

Detroit NEEDS property taxes to be in the .30-.40 mil range, like it's suburban counterparts.

Detroit NEEDS the city income tax eliminated.

Detroit NEEDS to do the Cobo deal, as is.

Detroit NEEDS to have all regulatory processes streamlined to be more conducive to businesses.

Detroit NEEDS privatization of as many city services as possible

Detroit NEEDS a smaller, smarter and more efficient government

Do all or most of these things, and watch businesses flourish around the city, watch several multinational companies look to set up shop, watch home prices skyrocket.

Detroit must now take it's clamps off and stop chasing companies into the suburbs/out of state.

I won't be baited by your fascist rhetoric.

LMFAO.

Are you for real? Or did Central Casting send you here?

You can't answer the question. CAN'T. There's no rhetoric involved. You've been exposed as a simple dupe who parrots talking points. You retreat into insults and the safety of Bush-bashing [[the political equivalent of knock-knock jokes, with all the depth and intellectual horsepower).

This is both an epic FAIL and epic MELT on your part.

I'll try again: How is it more moral or "right" for the government to seize my wealth after my death and redistribute it to people that didn't earn it versus me deciding where that money goes?

There's nothing fascist about that question. You should be able to answer it, comrade.