Climate Change Discussion

[Johnlodge]

Let's kick off the new climate change debate. Now with opinion poll!

[Bigb23]

Voted, is this ten character's ?

[gibran]

My opinion if we put things into any environment we create a change...or we exacerbateor excellerate a condition that exists currently..

[Flanders]

# 3

Finally a thread that the DYes resident board runner can pounce upon.

[ccbatson]

A thoroughly evil hoax whose goal is to extort money from individuals [[all, not just the rich) to the government. Think this is an overreaction? Check out Obama's cap and trade proposal.

[d.mcc]

A thoroughly evil hoax whose goal is to extort money from individuals [[all, not just the rich) to the government. Think this is an overreaction? Check out Obama's cap and trade proposal.

Obama wasn't the first to come up with a carbon trade/credit proposal

[Flanders]

Where are all the billions to be made through climate change? Is the climate change industry now bigger then oil and gas? Who are the climate change billionaires [[or even millionaires)? Is there a climate change hoax industry organization? How can I get involved and cash in on all the money being made through pushing climate change?

I know that you were being sarcastic about becoming wealthy from advocating for climate change, but for those who really care, here is a link to add your voice and/or become active in the cause for stopping global warming and exposing the human factor involved in climate change:


http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/sgw_join.asp

http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/becomeactive/

[ccbatson]

Al Gore, and the US government are the beneficiaries of the hoax. The government via punitive taxation and control/power over the citizenry, and recently industry.

[rb336]

A good basic outline of the actual facts, not the stuff put forrth by those on the payrol of big oil and big coal [[Horner, the Heartland Foundation, etc)


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462

[ccbatson]

And those scientist are justifiably afraid for their careers if they defy Gore and company...pick your bias Rb.

Gore still has enough cash after "donating" it back to increase his net worth from 5-8 million too over 200 million in about a decade. Without a real job, just extortion money.

[ccbatson]

You call extortion "extremely good investments"? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[d.mcc]

You call extortion "extremely good investments"? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

You're the one who's so big on the Free Market...why do you bash someone for making the most of his opportunities?

[ccbatson]

Extortion is not an acceptable free market strategy.

Analogy....don't bash the bank robber, he is just making the most of his opportunities...Ummm...no.

[Flanders]

An ice bridge which had held a vast Antarctic ice shelf in place for hundreds of years at least shattered on Saturday and may herald a wider collapse linked to global warming, a leading scientist said. "It's amazing how the ice has ruptured. Two days ago it was intact," David Vaughan, a glaciologist with the British Antarctic Survey, told Reuters of a satellite image of the Wilkins Ice Shelf. "We've waited a long time to see this." The satellite picture, by the European Space Agency [[ESA), showed that a 40-km [[25 mile) long strip of ice believed to pin the Wilkins Ice Shelf in place had snapped at its narrowest point of about 500 meters wide off the Antarctic Peninsula. The break left a jumble of huge flat-topped icebergs in the sea. The loss of the ice bridge, which was almost 100 km wide in 1950 and had been in place for hundreds of years at least, could allow ocean currents to wash away more of the Wilkins."

"My feeling is that we will lose more of the ice, but there will be a remnant to the south," Vaughan said. The remaining shelf is about the size of Jamaica or the U.S. state of Connecticut. Temperatures on the Antarctic Peninsula, the which snakes up toward South America, have risen by up to about 3 Celsius [[5.4 Fahrenheit) in the past 50 years, the fastest rate of warming in the Southern Hemisphere. "We believe the warming on the Antarctic Peninsula is related to global climate change, though the links are not entirely clear," Vaughan said. Antarctica's response to warming will go a long way to deciding the pace of global sea level rise. Nine other shelves have receded or collapsed around the Antarctic Peninsula in the past 50 years, often abruptly like the Larsen A in 1995 or the Larsen B in 2002 further north, and shrinking maps of the frozen continent. The trend is widely blamed on climate change caused by heat-trapping gases from burning fossil fuels. Vaughan landed on the narrow ice bridge, which jutted about 20 meters above the sea, in January with a group of scientists and two Reuters reporters. He predicted that it would snap this year.)

RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service

[rb336]

Analogy....don't bash the bank robber, he is just making the most of his opportunities...Ummm...no.

exactly -- don't bash the robber barons who slashed working people's wages just to pad their own fat pockets

[ccbatson]

Robber barons? Slash wages that are only possible because of the owner's ambition and innovation coupled to the ability to compete successfully.

[rb336]

slash wages so the people making said product can not afford to buy them while the robber barons line their pockets. these guys are NOT entrepreneurs, they are leeches. there is a broad distinction between the two. Most entrepreneurs make less than $250,000/ year. these are people who never made a thing in their lives, never started anything and just want to suck the system dry to the detriment of millions [[including stockholders) and the benefit of themselves

[ccbatson]

Rb...they made a company that brought a product to market, and employed people...that is productivity defined.

DSF....the ice thickness fluctuates over time....so what? That has nothing to do with causation, or detrimental [[versus beneficial) consequences.

[d.mcc]

Rb...they made a company that brought a product to market, and employed people...that is productivity defined.

DSF....the ice thickness fluctuates over time....so what? That has nothing to do with causation, or detrimental [[versus beneficial) consequences.

Mmmk...Well...I'm building an Ark...so...

[jams]

DSF....the ice thickness fluctuates over time....so what? That has nothing to do with causation...

It just appears randomly.

[jams]

So everyone who OWNS a company MADE that company? Strange, I haven't seen old Henry Ford around Detroit recently, yet his company still seems to be here.

New entry in the everchanging Official, but unpublished. Glossary of Batsonia

[ccbatson]

It does? Care to explain how? Please do not parrot Al Gore's hoax of man made global warming, it will make you look even more foolish if you do.

[rb336]

It does? Care to explain how? Please do not parrot Al Gore's hoax of man made global warming, it will make you look even more foolish if you do.

Perhaps YOU should have watched that "extreme ice" show. And the only one who looks foolish in these discussions is YOU who keep trumpeting your falacies with no back up except a thoroughly discredited book. in the old thread, you even mentioned checking into what the Skeptic said about anthropogenic climate change. after i did, and posted a link to their article calling YOUR sources pseudo-science, you fell quite silent on that thread for weeks

[ccbatson]

Ice melts...it does so cyclically and fluctuates widely over many years. Nothing about that observation gives any proof or support of causation, or even correlation to man made influences.

[Detroitej72]

Al Gore, truly a freind of real capitalists everywhere by making money the old fashion way... he earned it!!!

At least he puts his money where his mouth is- unlike so many of the neo-cons.