The Origins of Islam & Christianity Debate tonight [[Wed Dec 14, 2011)

[CalvinJam]

WHEN:

Tonight [[Wed, Dec 14, 2011) at 9 PM eastern / 8 PM central


WHO:

Dr. Nabeel Qureshi, the director of Creed 2:6 Ministries. Dr. Qureshi is a former devout Muslim who was convinced of the truth of Christianity through historical reasoning and a spiritual search for God.

The Son of Man, the leader and teacher of the New Nation of Islam. The Son of Man began teaching and building the New Nation of Islam in 1975, and he began building on the foundation established by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad for a new nation. The Son of Man is teaching his people to awake to the understanding of righteousness, to come together as a new black nation, and to do for self.



THE TOPIC: The topic will be The Origins of Islam and Christianity.



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What is the true religion of God? It's time for the truth to come out.

[bailey]

The true religion of God is Pastafarian. RAmen.

[Bham1982]

Well, at least these deeply thoughtful scholars will settle this issue once and for all.

I'm rooting for "Son of Man" in a TKO.

[SMRJim]

So was there some sort of tournament, and it has come down to these two? Is this the 'International Championship'? After this, will everyone who is a member of the losing religion have to convert?

[mwilbert]

So was there some sort of tournament, and it has come down to these two? Is this the 'International Championship'? After this, will everyone who is a member of the losing religion have to convert?

I think both Islam and Christianity are peaking too early. I like Zoroastrianism here, it is a proven performer, it is well-rested, and I can get great odds.

[Ravine]

I'm quite content with leaving that kind of moronic debate over in the mid-east, where it has been selling out arenas for centuries.
It's bad enough, that we import all manner of cheesy, shoddily-made goods from all over the globe, without engaging that particular line of inquiry.

[Gannon]

Buddha is off frowning in the corner, wondering is there some way to stop being all-one with idiots like these. He takes a deep breath to calm his nerves, and realizes they are all he can smell. [[Sure can stink up a Universe, darn those pesky ego-driven unenlightened humans. And the NOISE they make!)

He starts to convince Mother Earth to take another bath, rinse off these stinkers after a really good soak. She looks up at the big, beautiful Zodiac clock, remembering when Father Time gifted her it, and realizes she is about due.




Cheers,
John

[Ravine]

Somehow, I am sensing that a bag of Doritos is gonna get sacrificed to one o' them there deities before sunrise.
Or maybe a frosted honey bun.

[Zacha341]

Yeah one of those chemical-laden honey buns in the plastic wrap they sell at the gas station. Ick! LOL!

Somehow, I am sensing that a bag of Doritos is gonna get sacrificed to one o' them there deities before sunrise.
Or maybe a frosted honey bun.

[Zacha341]

Hah! He does not strike me as the type to take any prisoners....

Well, at least these deeply thoughtful scholars will settle this issue once and for all.

I'm rooting for "Son of Man" in a TKO.

[Ravine]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nas...ill-god,19263/

[Occurrence]

A bunch of mentally ill people who believe in fairy tales and imaginary creatures debating. That had to be entertaining.

[Danny]

After the Lowe's Home Improvement Store commercial sponsorship drop of the The Learning Channel's reality TV program American Muslim, A sudden forum to answer the truth of Christianity and Islam will commence.

Here's what I know briefly about Christianity:

1. It was founded by Jesus Christ in which would be the last sacrifice for the atolement and remission of our the sins of mankind all over the world.

2. It come from a Greek word "Kristos" meaning the annoited one. At the time there was not word for Christianity. It was just called "The Way of Christ". Then the Romans will named the religion "Christianismus!" or " Viae Christi".

3. After Jesus died on the cross and the resurrected after 3 days and ascended into the Heaven, His 12 disciples went on preaching thorughout the Greco-Roman world and as far as of East Africa to India.

4. They were persecuted by the Romans and a few Jews, But Saul [[ Later Paul) of Tarsus spread Jesus Gospels faster in the Roman Empire, faster than any Roman centurian.

5. Later by the 4th Century A.D. Constatine was crowned the first Christian Roman Emperor and made the Roman World submit to Christianity.

6. After the Roman Empire of the west fell in A.D. 476 by Germanic barbarians. Christianity was already spreading futher north of Eastern Europe and far as Norseman country and Brittish Isles even Ireland. Roman Caholicism was established in the Vatican Hill making in the Holy See.

7. The Roman Empire of the East become The Byzantine Empire and Eastern Orthodox was established in Constantinople. [[ the New Rome)

8. Throughout the Dark Ages, The Papalcy of the Roman Catholic Church is law of European Kingdoms. Whatever the Pope says, the Church do.

9. By the 9th Century A.D. Israel [[Palestine) was invaded by Sassinids Muslims. So the Pope asked all of kings, princes and knights of Europe to participate in the Holy Crusade to save the holy places from fast growing Islam.


10. By the 11th to 15th Centuries The Byzantine Empire has been invaded by Sassinid Arab Muslims and become the Ottoman Turks. The Ottoman Empire was formed. Constinople [[ the New Rome) has fallen. Now it's Istanbul.

11. By the mid 15th Century, A Roman Catholic Priest named Martin Luther posted 95 complaints in the front door of the Worms Cathedral in Worms, Germany. The Roman Catholic Church excluded Luther and he formed the reformation. This is lead to Protestantism.

12. As the Rennaisance period loomed and other practices of new age Christian materialism sects increased, England broke away from The Roman Catholic Church and started their version of Brittish Catholicism. New age Christian materialistic sects like Lutherism, Calvinism, Pilgrims, Old Order European Amish and Memmonites, Quakers and few Plymouth Brethrens Started to leave the old world to America so they can practice their religion in the Native American wilderness. Colonies were formed from South America to Pan America and North America and mission were built to covert Native Americans to Christianity. If they can do it the Bible, they can do it with whiskey and guns. African Methodist Episcopal congegations were fromed. A Christian sect named the Shakers was established and headed further west.

13. In the meantime The Papalcy of the Roman Catholic Church started the counter reformation to lure people back to their church.

14. In America as the United States were forming, A Prostestant [[ Quaker ) Christian named Bringham Young started Mormonism in Northwestern New York State. He gathers his followers to find their promise land to escape U.S. Government prosecution. They settled in the west into Mexico's northern territory in 1847 and built their city next to Great Salt Lake. They following year, the U.S. won the Mexican war, Mexico have to give up its northern territories. The Mormons found themselves back on U.S. soil. The Mormons wanted to start their own state called Deseret, with its 2.5 times bigger them Texas. The U.S. government refused until the Mormons give up their practice of polygamy. By 1897 As the dream holy land of Deseret was shrinking due to U.S. governments territorial development from Nevada, Wyoming and Colorado. The Mormons give up their polygamy and the State of Utah was formed.

15. Christianity temperance groups in United States was responsible of trying to end prohibition of all alcohlic beverages. That didn't work.

16. Desmond Tutu spread Roman Catholicism throught Africa.

17. Mother Teresa Spread Roman Catholicism throught India.

18. African American megachurches from Church of God [[ in Christ) to baptist apostolicism in Southern areas in the U.S. were formed after 1900.

19. Christian socialism was founded by Reverand Jim Jones of the People's Temple Church in Indianapolis, Indiana. The Church moved to San Francisco in the late 1960s and its grerw quickly. By 1975 Jim Jones felt they some of the members are leaving so he brought a land in Guyana, South America and founded Jonestown. Lost of people didn't like the enviroment, some members wanted to leave, but Jones wouldn't let them. So a senator and assisstants went to Jonestown and try to rescue the members. When the senator left with a few members, most of them were killed before the could get on the plane.

20. Jim Jones directly ordered some of his Jonestown members to "Drink the purple Kool-Aid". It was poisoned with cyanide! Nine hundred members died. Few survived by faking to drink the Kool-Aid. Jim Jones blackslided Christianity by malipulating people the he is the Christ and every follow his ways to death.

21. Charles Manson used Christianity to lure some lost hippies and flowerchildren to his cult "called The Family" including Beach Boys member Dennis Murphy. Manson told "The Famly" that he is Christ and "Helter Skelter" [[ a borrowed term from a Beatles hit) is a race war between blacks and whites in the United States. He would ignite Helter Skelter by having Sharon Tate and other people killed in their home. The Family would write the word "pigs" in their blood making the police and media think the Black Panthers did it thus Helter Skelter race war would began. Later Manson and the Family was arrested. Some were sent to life, others get lighter sentences. Charles Manson went to jail for life until is death in the early 2000s.

22. A black Detroiter Baptist minister named Prophet Jones from a Christian sect called "The Dominionites" in the late 1950s. He did some unbelievable stunts from walking on the water on the Detroit River from Belle Isle to predicting lottery winnings. He built his church called The Shrine of Lady Kathrine after his mother located on Linwood St. in Detroit's West Side. He one owned a home in Alden Park Rd. East of Woodward Ave. next to The Cathedral of the Most Blessed Sacrement. Prophet Jones would have his mansion warmed up by lighting a chimney in different fireplaces all year long. When his morning services was jammed packed he would lock the doors inside and out so no one would enter or leave during his super loud preaching! After he died in 1971. His congregation decreased and the Dominionites were no more.

23. In the mid 1970s a spooky man and his wife named 'Doe' and 'Ti' gathered some followers and formed a Christian sect called " Heaven's Gate" Doe and Ti promised his followers that they will get to Planet Heaven before the apocalyspe. By the mid 1990s Doe and Ti saw the sign what they looking for, a spaceship that is behind the comet Hale-Bopp. They told their followers to prepare a dish with applesauce all some poison, put on their nike shoes. Then head to their cots and their souls will be picked up by a spaceship that would take to Planet Heaven. One follower doubted and quickly left. A couple day later 39 followers including Doe and Ti will dead!

24. By the early 1980s A Protestant Christian named David Koresh had been kicked from his church for his unorthodox religious practices. He later formed a cult called "The Davidians". Koresh believed that he is Jesus Christ that will take his people to Heaven and all unbelievers will be judged and die. By the mid 1990s Koresh gathered his followers and built a compond in Waco, Texas. Later when the FBI and AFT found out that Koresh is doing sexual abuses with minors and stockpiling concelled military black market weapons. They went on to attack and arrest the Davidians. The FBI and ATF surrounded the compound. They went on a raid, but the Davidians were ready for them and used their weapons to kill the FBI, ATF. After several attempts and negotians and few Davidians were let go. The FBI and ATF decided to raid the componded again. They brought a huge tank, tore the compound and suddenly a flash fire burn through the compound like paper. Most of the remaining Davidians were killed including David Koresh.