Occupy Detroit

[johnkuhnphoto]

There will be a meeting on Monday night October 10th from 7-9 pm. IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SO PLEASE COME AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!
the meeting will be held at Spirit of Hope [[church). Address: 1519 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Detroit, MI. 48208
Thanks,
We are the 99%

[johnkuhnphoto]

unless you just want to sit and complain on the internet while doing nothing? The internet is not going to change the world. Please come!

[Gistok]

It's funny when people on DetroitYes, a forum devoted to complaining about the multitude of things that piss people off, complain about other people complaining too much about the things that piss them off [[bring it on, I say, there's a hell of a lot worth complaining about in America today).

So consider this my post in which I complain about people complaining too much about other people complaining too much.

My vote for best post of the year!

It riles them to believe that you percieve the web they weave... [[Moody Blues 1968).

[Searay215]

unless you just want to sit and complain on the internet while doing nothing? The internet is not going to change the world. Please come!

What do you want to happen? What are your expectations? What is your plan of action besides protesting? I have asked so many protesters these questions and still have not gotten a real answer.

The funny part is that most of these protesters all love their IPhones, IPad, Droid products, Apple and other computers, using high speed internet services....all while saying Greed is bad....WTF
Dress like it Holloween....like that has some meaning, when it really makes you look like an ass that can't be taken seriously. And no you are not the 99%......Most of you are under the age of 25.

If you really want to protest do it with your wallet....Don't buy the products and services that offend you.

[Danny]

Yes, The Socialist grassroots organization is growing strong that Detroit is next. I have the new name. Let's called it. THE GUY FAWKES PARTY!

[Lowell]

What do you want to happen? What are your expectations? What is your plan of action besides protesting? I have asked so many protesters these questions and still have not gotten a real answer.

The funny part is that most of these protesters all love their IPhones, IPad, Droid products, Apple and other computers, using high speed internet services....all while saying Greed is bad....WTF
Dress like it Holloween....like that has some meaning, when it really makes you look like an ass that can't be taken seriously. And no you are not the 99%......Most of you are under the age of 25.

If you really want to protest do it with your wallet....Don't buy the products and services that offend you.

I fail to see where use of technology creates a contradiction or what age has to do with anything. If one extends the no technology argument, then use of buttons or even clothing gets ruled out. I often hear the argument that one can't use technology to fight technology, to which I always reply, one can't fight Hitler with bricks.

As for reasons or coherence, while that may be a requirement and wish for you and I, there is no requirement. One is free to express whatever he or she wishes and for whatever reason or for no reason at all, whether or not that satisfies anyone. Maybe they are just 'mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore". I have seen many times where getting together coalesces disparate concerns and agendas emerge -- far more so than those who sit at home alone screaming at their radios and TVs.

All that said the clear message I get is that risk has been socialized and profit privatized. Bankers get to make their billions while government is left indebted and American homeowners are made homeless and jobless.

[MikeyinBrooklyn]

The counter protest is called getting up in the morning and going to work. 200 million will be joining my protest tomorrow.

[kryptonite]

The counter protest is called getting up in the morning and going to work. 200 million will be joining my protest tomorrow.

Maybe the funniest post today. thanks for a laugh.

[Searay215]

I fail to see where use of technology creates a contradiction or what age has to do with anything. If one extends the no technology argument, then use of buttons or even clothing gets ruled out. I often hear the argument that one can't use technology to fight technology, to which I always reply, one can't fight Hitler with bricks.

As for reasons or coherence, while that may be a requirement and wish for you and I, there is no requirement. One is free to express whatever he or she wishes and for whatever reason or for no reason at all, whether or not that satisfies anyone. Maybe they are just 'mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore". I have seen many times where getting together coalesces disparate concerns and agendas emerge -- far more so than those who sit at home alone screaming at their radios and TVs.

All that said the clear message I get is that risk has been socialized and profit privatized. Bankers get to make their billions while government is left indebted and American homeowners are made homeless and jobless.

You are free to protest anyway you want, I was offering a different and in MY OPINION a more meaningful expression of protest. When the public is upset with a TV show they protest with not buying a advertised product. But to use technology on the very brands you claim are greedy is an oxymoron.

And finally.....You,[[not a personal attack) nor anyone else has answered my questions.....

What do you want to happen? What are your expectations? What is your plan of action besides protesting?

[Downtown Lady]

To John Kuhn or any of the other organizers who might be on this forum -- I'm not being critical, I'm just wondering...

What is the reasoning behind waiting still more than two weeks from today to get Detroit's protests in motion? Protests are cropping up in dozens of cities, and the time is now! It would seem to me that you would want to capitalize right now on the current momentum.

[mauser]

Thanks for posting the Occupy Detroit info !

[louis]

WHOS ELSE S COMING! iv already set up a group of 25-30 people to go with me more on the way

[johnkuhnphoto]

my expectations are that we get something done. I am no mastermind of government, but you dont have to know much to see what is going on is wrong. plans of action and demands and so forth will be decided by the people attending the meetings before the protest and during the protest. if you would like to voice your opinion, then come on down.

[johnkuhnphoto]

To John Kuhn or any of the other organizers who might be on this forum -- I'm not being critical, I'm just wondering...

What is the reasoning behind waiting still more than two weeks from today to get Detroit's protests in motion? Protests are cropping up in dozens of cities, and the time is now! It would seem to me that you would want to capitalize right now on the current momentum.

i agree with you. we have 2 arguments. start soon, and start on the 21st.

some are saying that we need to start now, because everyone else is starting now. but we will only have like 3,000 people right now. we are not fully prepared. we havent finished contacting organizations to help us. we are supposed to be contacting members from different unions and organizations today.

basically if we go now, we are not prepared and under funded. but i do agree. its a couple weeks away.

hopefully at this meeting on monday, which is open to everyone, will be able to set more things in motion so we can start sooner

[johnkuhnphoto]

Thanks for posting the Occupy Detroit info !

no problem

[johnkuhnphoto]

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. "

Oh, come on, seriously? When?

I fully support higher taxes for the rich - much higher. I support a moratorium on foreclosures because banks and Fannie/Freddie have continued to foreclose with impunity without working with the homeowner while taking taxpayer money. We need campaign finance reform.

However I know the type that this movement has sadly turned into. Young kids who live off their parents dime, quite often. Their parents are "the man" they are "protesting." I realize this isn't everyone involved.

This could have been a legitimate movement, but it always seems like good activism is hijacked by the anarchist types and thus becomes...another 1%.

Does anybody remember this JohnKuhnPhoto guy? He was the rich kid from the suburbs who went around vandalizing stuff that didn't belong to him in the city.
http://www.painting-detroit.com/Pain...Gallery.html#2
I rest my case. Disgusting.

As corktownyuppie said, there are things we can be doing instead. I contemplated driving out to NYC, but we have a lot of weekend projects in my neighborhood that I've been working on.

Camping in Roosevelt Park with all your friends is more fun though. Or vandalizing vacant structures that don't belong to you.

you dont have to show up if you dont want to. i was just getting information out there. dont hate what other people in detroit are doing just because you personally dont like what i do with my art. what i do has nothing to do with this movement. sorry you see it that way. dont be so close minded.
thanks

[johnkuhnphoto]

A reasonable person doesn't confuse the messenger with the message. The protest is not about John Kuhn.

i dont think this person understand that
sadly

[johnkuhnphoto]

after one of our meetings, it seems like some of the protest will be involving the banks that are taking away peoples homes and the welfare issue.
by the way if you would like to donate here is the link DONATE

im assuming we will be setting up a place to send items such as food for the movement. at the meeting yesterday we were talking about getting donations of hats, glove, and coats for people that need them [[including the homeless, those who need it first get them first!)
thanks again

[bailey]

after one of our meetings, it seems like some of the protest will be involving the banks that are taking away peoples homes and the welfare issue.
by the way if you would like to donate here is the link DONATE

Ok, now that you've narrowed the issues.. and since you're actively soliciting contributions...where is my money going to go, should I choose to donate? How is camping out in a park in a desolate section of Detroit going to change the policies of banks foreclosing on those that don't pay their mortgages or change Michigan's new semi strict [[as compared to our neighboring states) limitations on cash assistance to able bodied recipients?

[Bham1982]

Folks in Detroit protesting to "Occupy Wall Street" would be absolutely the most ridiculous of ironies.

The only reason that GM, Chrysler, and many suppliers exist is because a large proportion of the bailout monies approved towards financial firms were actually redirected to the automotive industry.

But if folks want to protest the continued existence of GM & Chrysler, I guess it's their perogitive.

[bartock]

Folks in Detroit protesting to "Occupy Wall Street" would be absolutely the most ridiculous of ironies.

The only reason that GM, Chrysler, and many suppliers exist is because a large proportion of the bailout monies approved towards financial firms were actually redirected to the automotive industry.

But if folks want to protest the continued existence of GM & Chrysler, I guess it's their perogitive.

What "large proportion" was redirected? Unless I'm way off, GM and Chrysler were bailed out somewheres around $17-$25 billion total. The bank bailout was $700 billion, and the $17-$25 billion loaned to the auto actually went back to the banks that were bailed out $700 billion. And guess who has been paying the money back, with interest?

[Left_For_Texas]

This is what happens when there is no WTO or G20 Summit to protest.

[Bham1982]

What "large proportion" was redirected? Unless I'm way off, GM and Chrysler were bailed out somewheres around $17-$25 billion total.

Nearly 10% of the bailout went to automotive firms and their suppliers. That's a huge chunk of the overall bailout, especially considering that all mid-sized and major financial institutions were required to take bailout funds, whether or not the funds were needed [[the feds didn't want to separate the healthy from the deathbed).

The bank bailout was $700 billion, and the $17-$25 billion loaned to the auto actually went back to the banks that were bailed out $700 billion. And guess who has been paying the money back, with interest?

The banks have been paying the money back, and much faster than the automotive firms. Overall, the U.S. has made money on the bailout.

These were high-interest loans, and, for the healthier firms, were essentially a "tax", because they had to pay interest on money they didn't need, in order to contribute to a stabilization of the financial system.

[bartock]

Nearly 10% of the bailout went to automotive firms and their suppliers. That's a huge chunk of the overall bailout, especially considering that all mid-sized and major financial institutions were required to take bailout funds, whether or not the funds were needed [[the feds didn't want to separate the healthy from the deathbed).


The banks have been paying the money back, and much faster than the automotive firms. Overall, the U.S. has made money on the bailout.

These were high-interest loans, and, for the healthier firms, were essentially a "tax", because they had to pay interest on money they didn't need, in order to contribute to a stabilization of the financial system.

Exposing my ignorance - thanks for the info.

[Searay215]

my expectations are that we get something done. I am no mastermind of government, but you dont have to know much to see what is going on is wrong. plans of action and demands and so forth will be decided by the people attending the meetings before the protest and during the protest. if you would like to voice your opinion, then come on down.

This is really a non answer....you want something done. WHAT? What do you want done? The GREEDY banks to hand out $100 dollar bills at the door? Tell you Oh I won't take a $25 million dollar bonus, I will only take a dollar? You want GE to say Hey I know we didn't pay any taxes last year, but we will this year, I promise? Or how about all the companies say, he we can't afford it, but we'll hire 2000 people? I mean really what do you wan to happen REALISTiCALLY? How will you and the other prostesters accomplish that goal? I would really like a serious answer to my questions....not a non answer "my expectations are that we get something done."