As All Republican Tax Cuts have Created NO JOBS President Obama Create a Jobs Program

[Original63]

I have sat silent for the last couple of years since Obama was elected President of the United States.

All I have heard from the very first days of the Obama Administration is that Obama is a Socialist and will end America as we know it.

Well, that trick has been done by the Republican Agenda since Ronnie Raygun took office. With his partner in Crime Margaret Thatcher[[who did the same thing for Europe by introducing the agenda to Europe thru her advocacy) he vowed to implement a new Austerity in America. At the time I knew what austerity meant but I was confused about why he [[ Reagan) was suggesting that for our country.

I didn't know that the war on the workers of America was under way in the minds and plans of the Conservatives in the country.

Since that time the union membership in America has plunged 70% or more. This was because the Wealthy had already decided with Reagans permission to begin Divesting from America.

This meant closing up manufacturing plants in this country and moving them where there were less regulations and no infrastructure of America to support. Such as Mexico, China, taiwan or anywhere but the United States.

My contention is that the the Republicans and their supporters wanted to remove as much wealth from the country without penalty and ahead of the browning of America.

Reagan knew and understood that he was not serving America but select Americans, the wealthy Investors that the Republican have exclusively represented since roughly the end of WWII.

They instructed Reagan to change the tax codes so they no longer had to reinvest in this country and thus in the future of the country when America is majority brown.
Their money would not go to supporting people that they detest as common workers, and not one dollar of their money would go to in the future for SS, medicare, medicaid, infrastructure or any services other than Military spending, Police and Prisons.

This coupled with the bullshit about privatization and tax incentives were the triple whammy to divest the money that paid for and built America's infrastructure and paid to maintain it.
The Republican agenda has convinced working people that they should be against their own own interests, such as jobs for themselves, benefits from those jobs and an America that works for them as well as for the rich.

this got so bad that you hear Americans saying that Mexicans are taking our jobs. BULLSHIT I don't want my son picking fruit for 2 dollars a bushel or being a Hotel maid or a landscaper making $6.00 an hour. The Americans I know wanted a job with an automotive co. making enough money to

1. Buy what they build
2. Buy a home where they want
3. Support their family's
4 send their kids to college
5. Be able to retire before they die.

These things are no longer possible in the New America that we all are forced to survive, only the rich are immune from this wonderful vision.

The America that we all have been forced to accept is now calling state, federal and local employees Bottom feeders that have somehow destroyed this country, and stupid ass people have actually parroted these hacks.

The last time I looked county workers kept my roads clean, my parks opened and running, kept the potholes I damaged my car on filled up. It paid for firefighters to protect my relatives no matter where they live. I want people working for local government because they also pay taxes to keep our schools up and running.
Their taxes paid for sports and music in schools and after school programs and headstart. All programs that built our nation into what it WAS.
The Republican agenda has been against investing in American job and Americans. the middleclass has bought into this bullshit and now is suffering at its hand.
They said they hated the government, but put us in charge of it, we did and they crashed the country, only to blame the guy working in the kitchen, and the worst part of it is the very Americans that they have hurt the most have kept voting for them because of useless social issues that don't feed anyones family.

The joke that the Republican Agenda is and has been on America is not funny and its not a joke. The dismantling of our country's infrastructure and the blaming of workers at all levels is the most Anti American thing that I have ever seen. And all of this with the middle class that is losing all of its equity in this country voting for the very people that are cutting their throats.

To illustrate this point, in Michigan particularly the republicans as a whole said they wanted the American auto industry to fail and refused to support 5 cents for the American auto industry bailout. So how did the Michigan voters show the Republicans in Michigan how much they were against their positions??
they put them in control of the entire state. Now the Republicans have raised taxes on seniors and cut services for broke ass poor people in order to give tax breaks that do not work to Republican and better off and wealthy business owners.

Our President has simply show that with all the tax breaks and incentives to the wealthy, all the tax credits and all the privatization that has occured over the last 10 years alone that we are all worse off.

All I want is for Obama to show the country what the last 10 years of tax breaks and divestment from the country's infrastructure has done.
since the Right wing says its a good thing then they should welcome the spotlight.

The Republican Agenda is and has ruined the nation financially and over 60% of the nations family's. With them saying that raising taxes is a bad thing lets see how the country has benefitted from the tax breaks on the rich.

All republicans should jump at this choice to highlight the middleclass supporting jobs that their rich patrons have created for Americans after receiving a Trillion dollars in tax breaks over the last decade alone.

So please Mr President stop helping these anti Americans from lying to the American people anymore about their love for this country, because you can't love America while hating Americans. Only a right winger can believe can do both at the same time.

Just think about this, If Bin Laden had cost America as many jobs as the CEO's have thru firing Americans and relocating our jobs overseas, we would still be bombing Afghanistan....Oh thats right we are, only the terrorists of our economy live in New York and Delaware, so how do we get our jobs back??

[Big Dog]

O63, I like the post. Expect flame from some neo posters here.

[coracle]

Have you thought about writing as a career? I'm sure you could make it in the fiction field - particularly fantasy.

[Big Dog]

O63, There's the first one.

[firstandten]

Great post ! However if you want to reach the right wingers on here your post needs to be 5 sentences or less, or you will lose them. Don't bother about stating facts or if you do just throw some numbers out there, they don't even have to be true as long as they support your position. And finally tell the neo-cons Obama's just like Bush. You do those things then maybe the neo-cons on here won't call you a socialist.

[Original63]

sure I could be a Republican hack writer and talk about the jobs that tax cuts have created.

If my post is so wrong why haven't the renewed tax cuts that the President was forced to agree to lowered the unemployment rate.

Please tell me how many real jobs that the original Bush tax cuts created?

By real jobs I don't mean the Bush/Republicant fake jobs like classifying Fast food workers as Manufacturing workers.
I mean the type of real jobs that a Man/woman can actually support himself and family.

The right wingers will never answer this question because there is no answer for it. You are Hypocrites, who's policies and agenda have failed America miserably.

This is further illustrated by the new buzz words that have sprung up, like New Normal. Why are American tax cuts creating jobs in China and Mexico and the such?

Please if I am wrong show us how many jobs[[not fast food jobs and the like) that have been created following your agenda.

Since the looting of Americas treasury began how many old people have you seen working at
McDonalds and 7-11 type jobs?
I personally an embarrassed for my nation when I see an 80 year old serving me french fries after her pension has been stolen or meager benefits have been cut by the local or federal gov't so that we could kill Iraqi's for a sick, lie told by the never elected President Bush. Or so we could have rich people buy a jet with a 100% tax write off. That is a twisted agenda.

The whole Repub agenda that many stupid Democrats went along with, ie President Clinton and the 90's Democrats and even todays Dems has failed our country miserably.

I can't see anything in this Nation that has improved for the nations working people except their ability to go broke and lose their homes and home value.

[coracle]

Don't bother about stating facts or if you do just throw some numbers out there, they don't even have to be true as long as they support your position.

Like I said, stick to fiction and fantasy - or as you suggest just be a liar.

[gazhekwe]

I agree with much of what you say, particularly pointing out how the "bottom feeding" public employees make all our lives easier, or could if we supported the funding for the jobs they should be hired to do. Also, the way you characterized Reaganomics and its steady downward pressure on the middle class is very good. Pointing out how working America has bought into the whole argument, no taxes, we don't have to pay for anything, it'ss OUR money, so we tend to vote against our own interest is well done, also. That tendency is why the tax cuts:high unemployment goes unnoticed. We have to BLAME government for everything bad. Raising taxes is bad. Unemployment is bad. Lowering taxes is good. All things bad = Government, and therefore whichever party is in power at the top. Blame the top guy for everything bad. Blame the objectors for everything good. That's American politics. Stinks.

[firstandten]

Like I said, stick to fiction and fantasy - or as you suggest just be a liar.

Ha ! but you forget I said thats how you appeal to the right wing neo-cons, sound familar. The progressives and independents don't mind a fact filled post of that length.

[oladub]

63, You need some numbers to work with. Blaming Reagan for everything is kind of old hat and vacuous. I mean, we have had 8 years of Clinton and two years of Obama with a Democratic Congress one has to ignore to blame Reagan. Didn't Obama recently extend Bush's tax cuts for the rich so he could make an election issue out of it? You didn't say anything about Obama waging war on Libya, expanding actions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen, worsening unemployment, more foreclosures, and a collapsing dollar under Obama two 2.5 years into his administration. You must really like Obama's protection of NAFTA and his recently passed Korean free trade agreement.. or 'tapping' federal workers pension funds? Or how about his recent support of Mexican trucks operating in the US? Those recent flourishes put Reagan to shame.

Did you just wake up from a long sleep? The least you could do is blame Bush for most of President Obama's failures like other posters.

some numbers for you to work with at :http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[Original63]

Hey Oladub I saw some fairy's in the pond.

[Original63]

By the way Oladub, the President extended the Bush tax rapes to get Unemployment benefits for Broke Ass people. In case you don't know that means people without a job.
I'm sure you blame them for their corporate bosses laying them off so they can move their jobs to India or somewhere else.
I am not some lame pacifist who blames the fired and laid off on those who lost their jobs. Nor do I blame the unions for fighting for jobs that support families in this country.

So go ahead and blame the victim for his condition.

Hey I have a good idea lets cut unemployment benefits so the govt can go into greater debt so we can give tax breaks so the management so they can get that BMW for their kids 16th birthday.

Oops Bush already did that.

[coracle]

Ha ! but you forget I said thats how you appeal to the right wing neo-cons, sound familar. The progressives and independents don't mind a fact filled post of that length.

You recommend lying to support posted positions - that's all we need to know if we read your future posts

[coracle]

Ha ! but you forget I said thats how you appeal to the right wing neo-cons, sound familar. The progressives and independents don't mind a fact filled post of that length.

That's the quality of reply I would expect when I'm arguing with my 10 year. He hasn't got to the "Ha" stage yet. He's still at the "Na na ne na na" stage.

[firstandten]

Oladub

The blaming of Reagan is only done to provide a historical context to much of the economic problems we are seeing today. His policies based on a flawed economic doctrine 30 years ago, has basically created the end product that has gotten us to where we are today. The Bushes, and Clinton [[when it came to trade policy, drank the kool-aid) just followed the road map.

Right now Obama has only been able to slow the momentum not stop it, much less reverse it.
How is he going to reverse it with segments of our economy in complete shambles. Manufacturing and Housing to start ?

And to throw out the statement with a Democratic congress is another example of you not putting any context to some of your statements.

We debated already what that meant and why in the grand scheme of things it didn't mean anything

What I really blame Reagan for is the Iran-Contra affair. As a result of that policy, it created a drug and crack-infested mess of our inner cities and many of the current problems that we are trying to deal with.

[Big Dog]

Facts confuse neo's. They will go to death, believing whatever Fox spews.

[firstandten]

That's the quality of reply I would expect when I'm arguing with my 10 year. [[but he's good at it).

After some 1200 posts all cannot be quality posts, you have 68 so what's your excuse ?

[oladub]

By the way Oladub, the President extended the Bush tax rapes to get Unemployment benefits for Broke Ass people. In case you don't know that means people without a job.
I'm sure you blame them for their corporate bosses laying them off so they can move their jobs to India or somewhere else.
I am not some lame pacifist who blames the fired and laid off on those who lost their jobs. Nor do I blame the unions for fighting for jobs that support families in this country.

So go ahead and blame the victim for his condition.

Hey I have a good idea lets cut unemployment benefits so the govt can go into greater debt so we can give tax breaks so the management so they can get that BMW for their kids 16th birthday.

Oops Bush already did that.

I know libs are uncomfortable with the Constitution except for a line or two they like to broadly interpret into a magic wand but how did Congress or the President get the power to provide unemployment benefits? Where is that constitutional power delegated? States do have the right to extend unemployment benefits as long as they wish though so your argument is with the respective states' unemployment policies.

I blame the policies of Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama, their parties, and the cheap money policies of the Federal Reserve for creating economic bubbles that have collapsed and for instigating policies which ship jobs out of the country. Remember how Senator Obama campaigned against NAFTA?[[haha) If we have a problem caused by government excess and corporate greed, then that would be a good thing to recognize if looking for a cure.

I certainly don't blame the unemployed for Bush and Obama moving their jobs off to China and more recently to Korea. In fact, I regularly lobby for import taxes on corporations to encourage them to create jobs here rather than overseas. It would be such an improvement over extending unemployment compensation no matter who pays.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[oladub]

Oladub

The blaming of Reagan is only done to provide a historical context to much of the economic problems we are seeing today. His policies based on a flawed economic doctrine 30 years ago, has basically created the end product that has gotten us to where we are today. The Bushes, and Clinton [[when it came to trade policy, drank the kool-aid) just followed the road map.

Right now Obama has only been able to slow the momentum not stop it, much less reverse it.
How is he going to reverse it with segments of our economy in complete shambles. Manufacturing and Housing to start ?

And to throw out the statement with a Democratic congress is another example of you not putting any context to some of your statements.

We debated already what that meant and why in the grand scheme of things it didn't mean anything

What I really blame Reagan for is the Iran-Contra affair. As a result of that policy, it created a drug and crack-infested mess of our inner cities and many of the current problems that we are trying to deal with.

firstandten, Reagan deserves a share of the blame but if we are going to go back that far, why not point out that Roosevelt's policies led to a decade of high unemployment. Or back to 1913 when Wilson set up the Federal Reserve and the federal income tax at the behest of Wall Street? I don't think that Obama will be able to turn things around with his new free trade agreement with Korea, his deal with Mexican truckers, his assault on federal pensions, or his expanding range of wars no matter how much money he gave GM to invest in Brazil.

The Democratic Congress aside was to mention of Obama having a Democratic House and Senate during his first two years. I was ridiculing the concept that Reagan was being blamed so much for things Obama could have 'remedied' during those two years.

Don't forget about the flights going in and out of the Mena, AR airport.

[Original63]

Well if the Democants were the MONOLITH that the Redubs are, then you could have a point, but they are not and you don't.

By the way WHERE R THE JOBS?? PLEASE ANSWER THAT BEFORE ANY OTHER RAMBLINGS PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE WITH TAX BREAKS ON TOP...

[coracle]

After some 1200 posts all cannot be quality posts, you have 68 so what's your excuse ?

What you have to ask yourself against the background of being prepared to lie to make a point is are many of them honest posts. I only have 68 because I'm a Neo Con and we don't have to say a lot because what we do say is honest and relevant.

[Original63]

quote from Oladub:

I know libs are uncomfortable with the Constitution except for a line or two they like to broadly interpret into a magic wand but how did Congress or the President get the power to provide unemployment benefits? Where is that constitutional power delegated?

Maybe the same one used to keep a standing Army.

[oladub]

Well if the Democants were the MONOLITH that the Redubs are, then you could have a point, but they are not and you don't.

By the way WHERE R THE JOBS?? PLEASE ANSWER THAT BEFORE ANY OTHER RAMBLINGS PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE WITH TAX BREAKS ON TOP...

Yeah, I guess that the Democratic leadership is pretty lame or at least they are beholden to the same rich folks as Bush and Reagan. The jobs are in places like China, and continue to head overseas, as you have already pointed out. Reagan, though, is no longer President. Suggesting a higher import tax on corporations is hardly suggesting a tax break. Would it help if I wrote in big letters?

[firstandten]

firstandten, Reagan deserves a share of the blame but if we are going to go back that far, why not point out that Roosevelt's policies led to a decade of high unemployment. Or back to 1913 when Wilson set up the Federal Reserve and the federal income tax at the behest of Wall Street? I don't think that Obama will be able to turn things around with his new free trade agreement with Korea, his deal with Mexican truckers, his assault on federal pensions, or his expanding range of wars no matter how much money he gave GM to invest in Brazil.

The Democratic Congress aside was to mention of Obama having a Democratic House and Senate during his first two years. I was ridiculing the concept that Reagan was being blamed so much for things Obama could have 'remedied' during those two years.

Don't forget about the flights going in and out of the Mena, AR airport.

I think you are making a big stretch tying the decisions that went on in the Roosevelt administration and Wilson adminstraton to the specific economic problems we are having today. The agenda of supply side economics along with deregulation led to this specific mini-depression.

Following that line of thinking I could spin almost any decision of any administration to what is happening today.

Could Obama really have remedied those things after his first two years ?

even with his majority, not a super majority that he really needed in order to remedy things
maybe he could have done it via executive orders. But then he would upset the constitutionalist out there that already feels like he's trashing it.

At this point with the economy still in a bad state, is this really the time to go all protectionist with our trade policy. While I agree in theory, practically can we really afford any kind of trade retailations if we decide now is the time we rein in our trade agreements. I believe we need to rein in our trade agreements but to do that under a position of strength not when we are two steps away from a depression.

Maybe there's something to Mena and the Bushes and Clinton are knee deep in it. However it was Reagan who got that ball rollin for sure.

[oladub]

quote from Oladub:

I know libs are uncomfortable with the Constitution except for a line or two they like to broadly interpret into a magic wand but how did Congress or the President get the power to provide unemployment benefits? Where is that constitutional power delegated?

Maybe the same one used to keep a standing Army.

Good, very good. Providing an army is a delegated power although technically it doesn't say 'standing'. Good progress all the same.

firstandten: I think you are making a big stretch tying the decisions that went on in the Roosevelt administration and Wilson adminstraton to the specific economic problems we are having today. The agenda of supply side economics along with deregulation led to this specific mini-depression.

Following that line of thinking I could spin almost any decision of any administration to what is happening today.

Could Obama really have remedied those things after his first two years ?

even with his majority, not a super majority that he really needed in order to remedy things
maybe he could have done it via executive orders. But then he would upset the constitutionalist out there that already feels like he's trashing it.

At this point with the economy still in a bad state, is this really the time to go all protectionist with our trade policy. While I agree in theory, practically can we really afford any kind of trade retailations if we decide now is the time we rein in our trade agreements. I believe we need rein in our trade agreements but to do that under a position of strength not when we are two steps away from a depression

I disagree. The Federal Reserve has failed to live up to it's mandates and the personal income tax rates have expanded vastly since inception while corporate taxes are in decline recently. The Obama administration claimed that without Porkulus, unemployment might climb over 8%. The Obama administration claimed it's Libyan war would last "days, rather than weeks". I don't know it Obama could have done all those things but he most certainly didn't. Maybe the administration could screw around with all sorts of schemes like Roosevelt and have similar results. I would rather that bankers had lost their shirts instead of transferring all the bad debts to US citizens as in the brief depression of 1921 which disappeared after a couple of years when Harding did next to nothing.

With the trade imbalance so flawed in favored of foreign nations, they would lose in a trade war. They would just have to understand that our leaders were finally attempting to represent American workers instead of corporate interests. I don't think that will happen soon though whichever party is in power.We should be exiting NAFTA, GATT, with as much grace as possible. It must be so embarrassing for our leadership to have things like the the Wikileaks thing about the integration of our North American economies pop up.

Gotta go now. My wife has some other things for me to do she says.