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  1. See, there's the rub. There isn't any evidence...

    See, there's the rub. There isn't any evidence that Big Events translate into an increase in economic activity, as the locals (frankly, a more loyal customer base) often stay home.

    I think...
  2. I think Bham is contending that you can't build...

    I think Bham is contending that you can't build an economy focused on professional sports and events, which are heavily subsidized by taxpayers. Detroit was arguably the wealthiest city on earth...
  3. Good schools aren't necessary to start rebuilding...

    Good schools aren't necessary to start rebuilding a city. Only 20-25% of the U.S. population are households with school-age children. It's idiotic to ignore 75% of your potential market to focus...
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    Embrace the bland chain restaurants!

    Embrace the bland chain restaurants!
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    When did a demolition ever connect anything? ...

    When did a demolition ever connect anything?

    Same-old wrong-headed thinking, looking at every Project in isolation without regard for any sort of context. Makes you wonder how many more times...
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    Renderings are marketing tools, not part of the...

    Renderings are marketing tools, not part of the construction contract. The contractor doesn't build anything based on renderings.

    Even after the planning board signs off on a proposal, the...
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    Mike Ilitch has accepted hundreds of millions of...

    Mike Ilitch has accepted hundreds of millions of public dollars in subsidies and sweetheart deals, and literally destroyed half of downtown Detroit in the process. This is the kind of model citizen...
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    Well, that's great for the Eddystone, but that...

    Well, that's great for the Eddystone, but that seems like a shallow victory, since it wasn't in danger of demolition. This has absolutely nothing to do with what people are speculating is "part of...
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    Again, you know this HOW? Because you've seen...

    Again, you know this HOW? Because you've seen the approved, permitted Construction Documents? Or someone told you?

    If you're going by a rendering, or a news article, or hear-say, then you really...
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    And you know this how, Alfbundy? From the...

    And you know this how, Alfbundy? From the Construction Documents that have received permits from the City of Detroit Building Department? Or from the adorable renderings that the architect has...
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    Wouldn't it be wonderful if ever a decision was...

    Wouldn't it be wonderful if ever a decision was made in Detroit that didn't revolve around CHEAP, ABUNDANT PARKING?

    "Public space" = "Landscaped and lighted parking lots owned by Mike Ilitch".
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    So are you the marketing chief for Olympia...

    So are you the marketing chief for Olympia Entertainment? Or are you just blowing smoke up our asses? Because nobody--and I mean NOBODY--who has ever designed a building would resort to the...
  13. Oh, that's just a technicality. The site might...

    Oh, that's just a technicality. The site might *legally* be in Pontiac, but if you *call* it "Bloomfield", rich people will come out of the woodwork to buy lots of crap they don't need.

    Now which...
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    Surely you don't mean to say that 45 city blocks...

    Surely you don't mean to say that 45 city blocks of empty surface lots is insufficient acreage for an "urban" arena? Because that would mean you're deliberately ridiculous.

    By comparison, Verizon...
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    That's not the City of Detroit's problem now, is...

    That's not the City of Detroit's problem now, is it? Olympia owns what--45 city blocks of vacant lot? And the approach to the loading dock just *has* to be placed in the path of an existing...
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    If this is the case, then why are there still...

    If this is the case, then why are there still surface parking lots adjacent to Comerica Park?

    Olympia is not a real estate developer. This much is obvious to anyone who has ever seen one of their...
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    The Southwest and Near Southeast areas of DC...

    The Southwest and Near Southeast areas of DC already had housing and office construction underway while the Nationals were still playing in Montreal. But you can keep on believing whatever you want....
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    As Detroitnerd alluded, it's not that he's from...

    As Detroitnerd alluded, it's not that he's from Birmingham. It's that he thinks Birmingham is the end-all-be-all ever-loving shit of the earth, and that any other way of being is simply wrong. The...
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    And you expect that Ilitch's new ice palace...

    And you expect that Ilitch's new ice palace *will* somehow be greater? There's nothing to indicate that it will be little more than "a place where suburbanites drive to, park, watch, and drive...
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    When your transit "system" is as half-assed as...

    When your transit "system" is as half-assed as DDOT and SMART, *of course* it's going to be the means of last resort. If you go to New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, DC--you know, cities that...
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    So why are most of the railroads in Europe...

    So why are most of the railroads in Europe electrified, then? Is it just because Europeans like spending more money? No, it's because you can't operate TGV-type trains with diesel engines. Hence,...
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    I wonder how many of Olympia Entertainment's...

    I wonder how many of Olympia Entertainment's jack-booted thugs were sent to "coerce" this response:

    Bert Blyleven @BertBlyleven28 Follow I...
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    Careful here. When one talks about growth "in...

    Careful here. When one talks about growth "in Atlanta", you're really talking about "Gwinnett County, Cobb County, Clayton County, Forsyth County and Cherokee County". The massive freeway system...
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    DetroitYES!'s very own Ron Swanson.

    DetroitYES!'s very own Ron Swanson.
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    Because you're an expert on this kind of thing? ...

    Because you're an expert on this kind of thing? Ha ha ha ha! All you know is upper-class tea-and-scones privilege, son. I'd be shocked if you ever rode a non-chauffered transit vehicle in your...
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