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No. The Dems back in Ike's time were centrist.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
Today's views, both dem and repbub have moved further left back with the blessing of the socialist agenda. Control every aspect of a persons life seems to be the goal. From cradle to grave.
Yeah, like that gosh darn internet thing...all designed and developed by the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMan
Bastards.
Out to get you, I say, make you say all sorts of craY and then find dozens of like-minded friends who validate all that craY.
Devious.
Then they make you want to drive in their death trap government-controlled/owned cars, on roads designed to not exactly kill you just damage you with their airbags to keep you alive and sucking out your blood through taxes.
God Bless America.
1.4B Chinese living under Communism would, by itself, tilt the world mean to the left of the US. There is, however, also a qualitative change in the U.S. left. The left in the U.S. used to champion American workers. It still makes token gestures to that effect. However, the wealthiest Americans tended to vote for Hillary as do the poor they choose to sponsor; often cheaper foreign labor that can be counted on for Democratic votes. Whereas Democrats used to represent the lower middle class, they now openly despise American lower middle class workers. Democratic votes peak at the lowest and highest income levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
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Originally Posted by GMan
That is why both Democrats and Republicans fight tooth and nail to keep our guns,they can take it to the edge,but know full well it is not wise to cross over it.
It is not a perfect system and nobody agrees all of the time but most will set all of that aside to protect it,if it came down to that.
Oh come on now. You know AL Gore invented the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnome
He also sounded the alarm about Global Warming.
Much more worried about rising sea levels than airbags in the face.:rolleyes: Also I'm supposed to be taking public transit as it's the right thing to do instead of spewing all those carbon particles into the air from my personal vehicle. Oh and I should be willing to donate my taxes for the greater good as deemed by those experts in government. After all they are just public servants doing their best to spread wealth equally to all.
Wait to you get the chip put in. Oh and you will be doing it willingly. Otherwise they won't let you play in their reign deer games.;)
Yeah, sorry. You're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMan
Democrats were more socially conservatives back then, that is true. But economically, they were far more liberal. The party actively stood for the interest of labor unions by fighting against illegal immigration and free trade. Also, Democrats [[And even Republicans) were actually open to the idea of UBI and Universal Healthcare.
Today, you have democrats defending a right-wing healthcare bill, bending over backwards to defend illegal immigrants and democrats throwing labor unions under the bus with free trade agreements.
Legislation akin to Medicare / Medicaid, Social Security and Food Stamps would *NEVER* see the light of day with the Democrats who are in office today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats
Your response confirms what I said. The fact that both sides are supporting universal healthcare = socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
The fact that dems support trade co-ops = socialism.
Left leaning ideas.
The past dems and repubs were more focuses on national issues that benefited American Public, [[ with the help of strong trade unions.) That is how the politicians controlled the wealth back then and there was still enough around to satisfy anyone's ambition.
Now, the view is globalism and the things that used to keep the government in check such as trades unions, are instead used to keep the american public in check and secure a vote for who ever doles out the most scraps [[such as universal healthcare) to the members.
Both sides have moved Left.
Except I said nothing of the sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMan
Since when is deregulation [[of trade) and supporting a health care bill crafted by a right-wing think tank [[Obamacare) "left leaning" or "socialism?"
Please explain.
From your earlier post; "Democrats [[And even Republicans) were actually open to the idea of UBI and Universal Healthcare."Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
Universal, or "Single Payer Healthcare" is a socialistic concept where someone, [[government) controls Content, [[provider) and Pays for services that government deems relevant. User has little control over provider and only options are using network and service or not. How is that not socalism? Where is the free market in that?
Add the individual mandate "TAX" that forced and individual to buy into the product instead of accepting the risks or pay for not using the product and explain how that is "free market" thinking?
Right. "Were" meaning in the past [[the era that we were making a comparison to, "Ike's time"), not now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMan
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either of you, just adding a caveat. The predecessor of Obamacare was Romneycare in Massachusetts. What governments do is more important than whatever ideas are hatched out of influential but powerless think tanks. Government paying for anything is socialism which is legal under our Constitution. However, the Tenth Amendment allows things like education and health care to be overseen by states to a much greater degree by than by Washington since the power to do such things are generally not delegated to the federal government nor forbidden to states. Unfortunately, courts have pretty much ignored the 10th. Amendment since FDR.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/...what-happened/
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Friday was one of the most embarrassing days for the U.S. media in quite a long time. The humiliation orgy was kicked off by CNN, with MSNBC and CBS close behind, with countless pundits, commentators and operatives joining the party throughout the day. By the end of the day, it was clear that several of the nation’s largest and most influential news outlets had spread an explosive but completely false news story to millions of people, while refusing to provide any explanation of how it happened.
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Originally Posted by Pam
The same reporter is the one that created the whole Washington DC anthrax scare that was also false.
It shows how the media can manipulate.
Remember Orson Welles 1938 war of the worlds radio broadcast panicked the entire country.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0K4ApWl4g
Jimmy Dore show:
https://youtu.be/TiazicV_jLE
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Jill Stein: Newest Target Of McCarthyism
New accomplice in the Russiagate investigation? RT OP ED piece:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/413960-ji...on-russiagate/
Willing to bet there is probably somebody scouring the countries Chinese and Korean restaurants looking for video proof of collusion with those two countries.
Bump for aj3647. Question still stands [[so he doesn't forget).Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
^ I have been waiting for the past 50 some years for an answer as to how an extension cord in the corner ties itself in knots,but I think I will get my answer long before you get yours.
Here's a neat solution for that problem:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
How To: No Tangle Extension Cord Storage.
Seriously, this technique works very well. It's basically just a series of slip knots that does an astonishing job of compressing the length of the cord.
Don't store the wrapped cord in a cold garage though — or at least warm it to room temperature before unwrapping it. Bending a cold, stiff cord is likely to stress it.
And where does that other sock in the dryer go? ---:p---
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Originally Posted by Richard
Awesome technique -- a form of crochet actually.... Thanks! If only politricks could be so neatly bound!
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Originally Posted by Jimaz
You're correct. That is a crochet stitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
It's easier to do than it looks. The hardest part is untangling and untwisting the original cord. Some talcum powder might help with that bit.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Some people are such frauds.
Why don't you ask the "neoliberals" who say that then? Shall I demand that you defend every accusation leveled against Hillary Clinton by the Alt-Right? Show me some proof that a crime was committed in the Uranium One deal. Show me proof that Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring out of the basement of a DC pizza place. Show me proof that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
If you want to challenge an accusation that *I* have personally made, then you can quote the post where I make it and I'll respond to it. I will be more than happy to do that. Barring that, I do not feel obligated to defend everything ever said by any liberal anywhere anymore than you should feel obligated to defend everything that comes out of some Alt-Right white supremacist's mouth.
Meanwhile I'm content to sit back and let Robert Mueller do his job and we'll see where the cards fall. Now that Mike Flynn is singing like a canary as a cooperating federal witness, 2018 is looking to be a great year!
You, who was an extremely loyal supporter of former politician and neoliberal Hillary Clinton, have been [[by far) the most vocal person on this forum about the accusation, which is why I asked you specifically.Quote:
Why don't you ask the "neoliberals" who say that then?
I have no reason to defend things I don't believe to be true. But nice try with your pivot.Quote:
Originally Posted by aj3647
Besides, this thread is about "The Big Fat Compendium of Russiagate Debunkery." So please stay on topic.
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If you want to challenge an accusation that *I* have personally made, then you can
Here you go!Quote:
quote the post where I make it and I'll respond to it.
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Originally Posted by aj3647
Sorry, but you already lost the ability to fall back on "let Robert Mueller do his job" when you made posts such as the following:Quote:
Meanwhile I'm content to sit back and let Robert Mueller do his job and we'll see where the cards fall.
So again, please answer the question. Where is the evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to rig the US election, which is what neoliberals have accused him of doing over the past year?Quote:
Originally Posted by aj3647