On my way to work I saw a bulldozer digging up the location where SOMA and the west elm, are going to be built, Does anyone know whats going on
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On my way to work I saw a bulldozer digging up the location where SOMA and the west elm, are going to be built, Does anyone know whats going on
Probably this parking structure https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...h+Park+CDC.pdf
Seems like a lot of production for lingerie shop? IMO
....Maybe you can shop the clearance section there for your panties ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mjb3
They’re probably going to put up a sign saying “Coming Soon”Quote:
Originally Posted by shawring
Wow... I really like the look of the 16 story tower... usually critical of a lot of modern architecture, but that blue accent tower looks great!Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
16 stories... same height as the former Statler... but I won't go there... :p
Can’t stick build that high lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Actually you can, although the People Mover vibration might tip it over:Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/...ly-opens-doors
Mass Timber is not the same as 'stick-built', but we're splitting hairs.
The tallest mass timber tower is now under construction in Milwaukee:
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2020/02/0...-timber-tower/
Where did you find these "updated renders"?Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
You can blame Kwame for killing Statler. The city didn't even pretend to care about selling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
City Club WebsiteQuote:
Originally Posted by angry_fred
So is the office portion of SOMA no more? I guess I figured there would be one apartment building but still a portion of the original plan.
Looks like it. The rendering also doesn't show the planned second parking garage, either. I could care less about a new parking garage, but they were designed to carry extra residential floors at a later date.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonWylie
I know I must sound quite unhip, but what is "SOMA"?
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Originally Posted by 13606Cedargrove
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The historic home is south of Eliot street, which looks like will be reconnected. The development won't cross Eliot so the home should be undisturbedQuote:
Originally Posted by K-slice
I agree.. I do not understand why this design would not better reflect the the widths of Mack Ave and Eliot Street. Height should be more proportional to street section width. So I would flip the apartment building height to where the single-story retail is. Based on the rendering, the single-story retail looks identical to the City Target in downtown East Lansing, which would be a plus though.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-slice
https://www.freep.com/restricted/?re...F4301669001%2F
I don't have access to Freep but saw this summary:
Holtzman's latest plans, building renderings and timetable for completion were unveiled Thursday night at a virtual meeting of the Detroit City Planning Commission in preparation for a Feb. 4 public hearing for a zoning change.
The project's three components are:
A 16-story residential tower with 270 apartments
A six-story midrise with 70 apartments and ground-floor storefronts
A 32,000-square-foot building for a large unnamed retailer
Under the current timetable, the retail building and 70-unit residential midrise could be ready to open at about the same time in early 2023, Kehm said, with the 16-story tower following about three months later. The development also includes a 186-space underground parking garage.
Do you think they have a retailer locked in, or are they still trying to TARGET a retailer at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by JTburner
Let the speculation begin...Quote:
Steve Kehm, a representative for City Club Apartments, told commissioners that the large retailer has asked to keep its identity a secret until later. Documents shared during City Club's presentation described the retailer as a "discount supermarket."
So... Aldi?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonWylie
LOL this. Other unlikely options: WalMart Neighborhood Market, Meijer Neighborhood Market or City Target.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGrant
Longshot options: Trader Joes, Lidl, Amazon
Dollar store? Doubtful. Is this allowed per zoning?
A Crain's article from today says,
From a quick Google search, Aldi says their average store is only around half that size at 17,000 SF, so could be something else. Plus there is already an Aldi in Highland ParkQuote:
A one-story, 32,000-square-foot building would have what the document refers to as an unnamed "national general merchandise retailer" that City Club Apartments is currently in negotiations with.
Def looks like Target is E Lansing. Another grocer-only store across from Whole Foods doesn't make sense, but its been done before.
I think the Target in East Lansing is 22,000 square feet. I believe in Austin just outside of Downtown there is a Target next to a Whole Foods. It can work considering Target can sell consumables. There used to be a Kroger right across the street from another Kroger in Dearborn lol. In Livonia there is a Target next to a Walmart which are on the same street as Meijer and Costco next to each other.
There was going to be a West Elm hotel in this development, but West Elm pulled out. I wonder if the hotel has been removed from this development.
It’s still planned but it will be an AC by Marriott. The Bonstelle will be part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by masterblaster
Has anyone found the documents that they presented to the city?
These paywalled articles are the only source I can find. Usually searching the city website turns up some goodies, but this time it came up empty
Why would the Aldi in Highland Park matter? That's nowhere near this area, and even if it was, there's absolutely no reason this part of the City couldn't support another 2 or 3 supermarkets.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonWylie
Have to agree here. The typical renter in the proposed development isn't doing their grocery shopping in Highland Park- they're spending it all at 'Whole Paycheck". Interestingly, there is precedent for urban mixed-use Aldi store.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnnNike
That would be a very cool concept for that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
Anyone know the sq. footage? Most City Targets are about 40,000 sq. ft. but some are smaller. I would think if the 2nd floor is available then they would have enough space.
The one is East Lansing is 22,000 sq. ft
The one that's currently under construction in Ann Arbor is 12,000 sq. ft.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
You guys are getting me all excited. With the addition of 4100 Woodward being turned into a grocery store as well, the chances that we get a Target/Trader Joe's/Aldi etc. is doubled. I'm all for local grocers as well, but having a national brand is still exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtburb
I would love to have a Lidl in Detroit. It was our favorite grocer in Germany. Low prices but great quality. I know they are quickly expanding their US presence.
^ There's are two Aldi's in Detroit if that is what you mean. One on Mack and Chalmers and well one on Woodward near six mile but that actually Highland Park. I like them greatly once you sort out what works for your needs and what does not. I like the minimal processing of some of their offerings.
I wonder how that Aldi's is fairing up on Greenfield near 696 in Southfield right next door to the newer Kroger?
Actually, Mack and Alter Road, one traffic light to the east of Chalmers.
No I definitely mean Lidl. I live near the Mack/Alter Aldi and go there often. I would take Lidl 11 times out of 10 over Aldi.
I spread my modest [[un-)wealth around all of them: Trader Joe's, Aldi, and Whole Foods, in that order. Though for convenience's sake, Kroger tops the list. [[Listed by take-home weight, not by expense.) They're all best for something.
My exception is in Florida, where every Whole Foods I've been to has been, putting it nicely, sub-par. They're not worth an extra drive, at all. Publix may be barely any cheaper [[them's NY prices in FL), but they're almost certainly closer, and at least when it comes to the basics [[fruit/vegs/meat/fish/starch/cheese/milk/juice/beer/wine) offers just as good [[even without organic bananas).
BTW, having a Whole Foods and a Trader Joe's near each other is a very common phenomenon. Search for them in any thriving city and you'll find they usually are. Finding both may be the surest way of locating upscale neighborhoods in an unfamiliar city.
There are 3, the other is at gratiot and 8 mile on the Detroit sideQuote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
The good ole Nash EquilibriumQuote:
Originally Posted by bust
Great reference!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonWylie
I had to look that up.
It makes sense.
There must be an economic reason why similar businesses locate near each other.
Even if car culture, suburbia, and the strip malls they've encouraged must also be factored into any equation and are influences some places more than others.
Here's a good video on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bust
Same thing with Walgreens and CVS in many communities, though I've not seen that trend hold up as much in Detroit...I see many CVS's without a corresponding WalgreensQuote:
Originally Posted by JonWylie
Target in Detroit FINALLY announced!
https://www.crainsdetroit.com/real-e...-store-detroit
"The small-format store is expected to take 32,000 square feet in the development generally referred to as South of Mack Avenue.That location has been rumored for several years as the intended location for the Minneapolis-based retail chain.
The store is to be the anchor retail tenant for a 350-unit apartment development planned by Farmington Hills-based City Club Apartments."
Total scope:
Attachment 41768Quote:
The project that is currently before this Honorable Body is the proposal of CCA to develop CityClub Apartments-Midtown on the approximately 2.4 acre site on the southeast corner of Mack andWoodward avenues.
The development is part of the Red Cross site master plan, bounded by MackAvenue, the former Red Cross building, Woodward Avenue, and the reinstated, privately- ownedextension of Eliot Street. A portion of the site is currently utilized for parking with the remainderof the site being vacant.
The project under consideration is a mixed-use development that will include three separatebuildings designed to exist cohesively with each other and are comprised of the following:
A 32,000 square foot [[SF) single story retail building
A 64,000 SF six-story mixed-use building with 12,500 SF of ground floor retail and77 apartments
A 203,000 SF 16-story apartment building with 273 apartments
Within the three buildings, there is a proposed mix of one-bedroom, two bedroom, three-bedroom, studio, convertible, townhouse and penthouseunits.
Of the total amount of units, 20% will be set aside as affordable.The retail space that is planned for the site will host a national retail anchorto occupy approximately 31,000 SF. Another 4,000 SF is planned for anational bank on the site. The remaining retail space is planned to host alocal Detroit-based restaurant, coffee-shop and bakery.
There are currentlyon-going negotiations to solidify the users for all of the aforementionedretail spaces.Amenities for the development include a lounge, library, dog park, skyclub with rooftop pool and outdoor grilling stations, 24/7 Whole BodyFitness, wellness room, movie theatre, business center, conference room,and zen garden.
The proposed development will also offer three outdoorspaces to residents, patrons, commercial tenants and the surroundingcommunity.Two hundred and sixty-one [[261) parking spaces are proposed, of which186 spaces will be located below-grade on the site.
An additional 75 spacesare planned to be located at the adjacent SOMA parking garage via leaseagreement.The total cost for the development stands at $95 million. CCA anticipatesfinancing the project with senior and mezzanine construction loans, as wellas other possible economic incentives such as Brownfield TIF.
It is estimatedthat the project will generate 133 full-time labor and skilled trade jobs duringconstruction. Once completed, a total of 62 full-time, 55 part-time retail, andseveral management jobs are anticipated.
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love to hear the parking will be below-grade and outsourced to that elliot street deck, looks like no additional surface parking at all, with all the ground space going to landscaping/gardening. it's a great look – and reason to forgive that the five-over-one is probably another tinderbox??Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
looks like we'll have a near-fully activated Woodward corridor from Mack/MLK to Fisher in a few years – all that's left will be the two lots at Temple/Woodward. that's pretty awesome!
Older renders indicate a green roof on the Target space. With that and the courtyard it would make for a dramatic stormwater retention strategy and desirable views out of both residential buildings. Wonder if that made it through the VE process?Quote:
Originally Posted by kuuma
Wow, the rumor, the myth of many years is finally going to be reality!
it seems that Hell has frozen over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Satiricalivory
Interesting fact that this City Target will be 32,000 square feet whereas the City Target in East Lansing is only 22,000 square feet. Having been in that store, it seemed large enough and functional enough for my liking so this is extra exciting for Midtown Detroit!Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
Speaking of City Target, it maybe a done deal...
https://www.crainsdetroit.com/real-e...troits-midtown
Finally!
There’s also a vacant lot on the southwest corner of Woodward and MLK. I’d imagine these three sites are pretty valuable so hopefully somebody’s working on development plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuuma
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Originally Posted by NSortzi
If I am not mistaken wasn't that site suppose to be an Alamo Drafthouse movie theater, but plans fell through due to "parking." Not sure why Emagine can't pick up that site instead of planning to build on an awkward lot at WSU.
The Almao Drafthouse site was 102 Stimson St, but the plan died over a 15-yr, 300-space parking guarantee that Alamo wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowSoarer
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Originally Posted by hybridy
Ah ok so it was the adjacent lot.
The lot I’m referring to is right at the corner. It has a disused parking lot and a billboard on it. The Alamo site was just west of there between MLK and Stimson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowSoarer
i think that's the site where they're building this. i dont think it's on google maps yet, but the website says finished next summer. last i went by they had a lot of the frame up, so it seems on scheduleQuote:
Originally Posted by NSortzi
Woodward West is being built on the next block south at the southwest corner of Woodward and Stimson. The site I was referring to is a small lot directly on the southwest corner of MLK and Woodward.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuuma
Now here comes the tricky part of about real estate investment projects:
1. Is there going to be folks wanting to rent, lease or buy the property?
2. Is City Target is going to fulfill on their promise to building their marketplace?
3. Will be the toughen up security to keep the riff-raffs out?
4. Will another possible national or biological crisis the halt the project?
If these things happen, the project will be scrapped and head back to the drawing board.
That lot is owned by a Sam Kemerko. Oddly enough his current address is listed as 2870 Woodward which is First Unitarian Church of Detroit - which doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by NSortzi
https://app.regrid.com/us#b=admin&t=...detroit/207544
Not much out there on him:
https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2009...-in-waterford/
I think that Target could be up and running by next year this time. Look how fast the Rivertown Market. The same type of security Gilbert has for Merchants Row could patrol the Target Wholefoods area to keep away the riff raff. Now the QLine could be put to good use by those residents living downtown using it to shop at Target
I don't see them allowing the Target to open with high-rise construction not completed on the same site.Quote:
Originally Posted by stasu1213