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Tlaib's "I'm not going nowhere" quote really reflects well on her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
I think people going back 40 years [[and I don't, I'm younger, but this is kinda what I know) wouldn't understand how far our vitriol and grammar has fallen on both sides in politics. You didn't see this with Jimmy Carter, Robert Reagan, G. H.W., Clinton, GB [[he came the closest, but he doesn't look so bad now with Trump, does he?), or Obama [[the best of them all, in my opinion). But in this climate, it seems that everything gets thrown out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
I read Zacha341's links, and it sounds like promises-for-votes pandering. As far as Tlaib goes, I'm not paying her to waste more taxpayer time and money trying to keep trying to impeach Trump. Maybe she was just having a bad hair day.Quote:
Originally Posted by bartocktoo
It's an improvement from the 'motherf****er' comment early on before Trump ran his mouth from tweeting in the midnight hour!
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Originally Posted by 401don
I hope the NAACP will tell black Detroiters to stop doing this:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...sh/1802290001/
I have family in that area. Extremely bad corner [[Davison and Livernois).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkQgv_h5tM
Recall pastor Winans was robbed same area... [[Linwood and Davison)
Has Mexico paid for that wall yet? I seem to recall someone making promises along that line... But that wasn't pandering to get votes from uneducated rubes. Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
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Originally Posted by Zozo
I sure hope the NRA will tell white people to stop doing this.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/73356...ourthouse-buil
^^^ Again we have the 'either/ or' construct when in point of fact ALL OF THIS DAMN VIOLENCE needs to cease!
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Originally Posted by aj3647
Speaking of uneducated rubes... The NRA accusation has been repeated over and over by the Children of the Hill. One has nothing to do with the other. SLOW CHILDREN Actually if one leaves Mom's basement and computer, and interacts with real people, one will find that a lot of people with degrees voted for the current President. Not pseudo-intellectuals, though.
Pelosi is stone-walling the wall. She's hoping to gather more illegal votes.
I wonder if Representative Tlaib appreciate the way in which she is
strongly abetting the reelection campaign for President Trump?
I realize the primary process is designed to let everyone have their say but they spend 2 years arguing among themselves, putting each other down, spouting crazy ideas, etc. and wonder why their own party, never mind independents, don't immediately rally around their chosen candidate when he finally runs for office against the opposition the final 4 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by renf
Haven't we learned anything since 1911?
Attachment 38627
^^^ B.T.W. did not write that! You made it up, or got it from Fox News!--:rolleyes:--
And yet there are actual grievances still not addressed, but we benefit little from huckters that make a living off these issues - not really seeking a solution.
Additionally, W. E. B. Dubois stated this...
ETC. So long as they do not impact her family and friends, or live in her community. The elite at her level [[repubs and DEMS) don't even drive. They are chauffeured from one royal enclosure or scheduled meeting to the next with armed security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Too many young black men, angry and mentally ill. This Davis man needs to be charged and arrested. he's on tape so he'll be convicted. But he needs some solitary time away from human beings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
No, Zacha, he actually said it:
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/...he-boston-mob/
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Originally Posted by Zacha341
^^^ Um I was joking...;)...
I have read Washington's writings [[Douglass and Dubois) and understand his view and philosophy. Some of which I agree with.
Until about 16 years ago, there was a building on East Grand Boulevard just east of Woodward which was the headquarters of the Booker T. Washington league in Detroit. Richard W. Thomas from MSU wrote a very informative book about the conflict between the followers of Washington and DuBois in Detroit: Life for Us is What We Make It: Building Black Community in Detroit: 1915-1945
^^^ Yes, a compelling work indeed. A core understanding of the beliefs and differences between activists Booker T. Washington and W. E. Dubois regarding black people, culture and community can be found in the famous poem by Broadside Press founder and publisher Dudley Randall called:
Booker T. and W.E.B.
Here's a link for that book:
https://www.amazon.com/Life-What-Mak.../dp/0253359902
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Originally Posted by renf
Zacha, I am completely ignorant as to the full scope of the kinds of racial bigotry black folks have had to deal with.
It is not that I am not knowledgeable about it, but there is a difference between knowing and knowing. One can have an intellectual understanding of any subject, but one doesn’t know it until they experience it.
For example, you can know what it is like to have an infant, but until you’ve paced the floors at 3 AM with a demon wailing in your arms, you don’t know what having a child is all about.
With that said, and not wanting to sound more ignorant than usual, why doesn’t the NAACP change the C?
I don’t know much, but know this, if I was to start using C to my friends I soon would have no friends.
Thank you in advance for clueing me in.
And yet, people slammed Engler for driving his own car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
And who is it that eroded laws against the kinds of weapons that have caused so many to go behind armored vehicles? Oh yeah, that N group of whackadoos.
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Originally Posted by gnome
Here you go:
https://www.wral.com/ask-anything-10...arber/4142989/
Insightful observations G! I had an aunt, well educated, born late thirties who NEVER, ever accepted the term Black or African-American.
She only used 'Colored' or Negro for others/ herself. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, derived from a time when we were considered 'Colored' wouldn't benefit from a name change now. Yet with the present revisionist culture perhaps the NAACP will become the NAAPOC?
It's interesting that while many Black, A-A GenX, millennials, onward, etc. would NOT embrace 'Colored' as a noun, they widely use the term People of 'Color' [[POC) which I least prefer.
I get that POC presents as a broad-term by which anyone of non-European decent can claim - leveraged in most instances a political interest, particularly within identity politics. This is especially so as placement within the hierarchy of intersectionalism. Even better if you believe in the social and political power and philosophy of intersectionalism. Opinions vary.
I believe the term POC, unfortunately also removes certain distinction[[s) where ones 'color' is derived, should that be important to that individual or group. Some want their specific race used/ recognized such as Caribbean, or perhaps they can be used together [[Caribbean-Person of Color)?
I'm fine with Black or African-American personally. And yes, someone White referring to a Black person 'Colored' would harken back to time period of segregation and blunt racism.
It's been my observation, for example, in academe the use People of Color to define and address Black and Brown people a more progressive term to use, used widely.
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Originally Posted by gnome
Thx Z,
One of the motivations behind my query is an old guy at a dog park I visit. He’s well into his 80’s and is a Trumpian.
As you may have guessed, I hold no love for Mr. 45 and have difficulty understanding individuals who support him; however, the Dog Park is open to all and I have to mind my manners.
One day he used the word Colored when asking me about the church I go to. I had to let him know the term was no longer considered appropriate and that’s when he tossed the NAACP name into the conversation. Not having a come-back I had to concede his point.
I prefer to use black instead of African American just because AA isn’t a term that is accurate. Someone doesn’t change their race when they move to Canada or England.
But that opinion comes from me: Mr. Whitey McWhiteyson so what the hell do I know.
^^^Oh yeah you're white and a male. Hush! There'll be no man-splaining!!
Jokes aside...:o... Yes, the time period has to be taken into consideration for dialogue - at least in the interest of exchanging ideas and challenge. Where possible!
Terms over time .... there was a time when using 'uppity' in the wrong company would likely get you killed. Today, it's morphed into the same as 'stuck-up' and can be applied to anyone. I catch myself using it referring to rich snobby folk and the way they treat whoever they consider lesser than they, but I realize it may still bother many others.
"Zacha341 I'm fine with Black or African-American personally. And yes, someone White referring to a Black person 'Colored' would harken back to time period of segregation and blunt racism."
"gnome One day he used the word Colored when asking me about the church I go to. I had to let him know the term was no longer considered appropriate"
Who get’s to decide when a term is inappropriate? From now on I’m going to use the term “Colored People” to protest the oppression of people of color in the United States. As long as I say it’s a protest, I get a “free pass” on whatever I want.
^^^ Who? I'd say the person so describe should have some say.
But as I mentioned, naming and describing also bears a political weight and leverage [[particularly within identity politics).
It would be nice to get the opinion of the NAACP itself on the matter.
It's not much but I did find this: Lohan calls Obama ‘colored’, NAACP says no big deal.I think the point is we need to look beyond the literal to see whether the intent is respectful.Quote:
Carla Sims, communications director for the NAACP in Washington, D.C., came to Lindsay Lohan’s defense today following Lohan’s on-camera interview with “Access Hollywood” in which Lohan called president-elect Barack Obama “colored.”...
“Sometimes you have to look at the intent…but the word ‘colored’ isn’t derogatory,” Sims told me in a phone interview. “Clearly she’s [Lohan] an Obama supporter.”...
“The term ‘colored’ is not derogatory,” Sims continued. “They chose the word ‘colored’ because it was the most positive description commonly used at that time. It’s outdated and antiquated but not offensive.”
Sims is referring to the founders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People that created the organization nearly 100 years ago in support of social justice for African Americans...
After reading this section of the thread I guess one becomes sensitive to the term and how many times it is brought up.
Not to make it political in anyway and in mostly streaming CBSN and others pretty much every thing the current president says referring to others is described as going after people of color.
Going after 4 women of color
Going after Mr Cummings a man of color
Which makes him racist.
It is never he is commenting about other politicians that he does not agree with,it always has to be people of color.
One would think it is just less complicated to view everybody as fellow Americans and not categorize,you do not see somebody is going after the Italians,Polish etc.
It always has to be black and white when it is actually cloudy.
Lady in Shoe Store: 'Does this dress make me look fat?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Al Show Man Bundy" No lady, the FAT makes you look fat.
It's not what King Don says that make him a dirtbag.
It's the fact that he's a dirtbag that makes him a dirtbag.
^ did you ever think that thought process could also apply to ones he speaks about? Maybe he is also calling them a dirtbag because they are dirtbags.
Sense your mentor is Al Bundy we can also say,if the shoe fits wear it.
You could have left the politics for over on the dark side.