looks like they weren't keeping an eye on him.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-found-dead-nyc-jail-n1041081
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looks like they weren't keeping an eye on him.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-found-dead-nyc-jail-n1041081
Imagine the stories about famous people that Epstein could have told had the authorities not left things in his room allowing him to hang himself..Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
Suicide: 24 hours after files in his case were unsealed and two weeks after he was placed on suicide watch ahead of his trial
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...jail-cell.html
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Originally Posted by oladub
Maybe, but it's doubtful he ever would have done so. I'm glad to see we won't be paying for a trial or to house this POS.
Now his victims, their lawyers and all would be scam artists get to fight over what's left of his fortune.
He already tried to commit suicide and they took him OFF watch? Hmmm. Seems a *tad* odd. His family probably has lots of friends now
Many are thinking someone was paid to not pay attention. Money can make unusual things happen.
They need to go after Ghislaine Maxwell...
"Prosecutors have not accused Maxwell of any wrongdoing. They say they continue to investigate.
In her own deposition, Maxwell called the claims another one of Giuffre’s “many fictitious lies and stories to make this a salacious event to get interest and press. It’s absolute rubbish.” She also claimed that Giuffre was 17 when she met her."
Seems like another Arkancide.
Attachment 38726
He has no immediate family,after the civil trails are finished the rest of the estate,billions that the state will be fighting for to absorb.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I would be willing to bet some long lost children will be turning up.
So they move him to the infirmary under 24/7 suicide watch,where bedding etc is paper based,after reassigning personal because they failed to watch him under the first suicide watch.
He was a financier and they release files stating that he was tied to lots of high profile people,that’s like if your bank is accused of fraud,you are automatically guilty because you have an account there.
Right or wrong it is clear,do not make a plea deal with the government because it may be recinded at any time.
It really does not matter if I think he is a scumbag but and more so,he was due his day in court,considering the amount of high profile cases as of late that have been dismissed when put under legal scrutiny,it makes one wonder how many are sitting in prison that did not have the funds to hire a good lawyer.
Actually we know that now because DNA evidence has proven a lot of people serving life,innocent.
The media likes a good story but we also need to be careful of witch hunts,someday they may come on us personally.
For those who hate billionaires you now know how things can be engineered to take them down with full support of the public,and nobody would know the difference or care if they were actually guilty or not.
J Edgar Hoover users the same tactics while going after the “commies”
They are calling it and broadcasting it as a suicide but no cause has been determined yet,they found him unconscious and tried to revive him.
He could have just had a heart attack.
Maybe he was jogging in his cell and was killed during an attempted robbery?
^ it worked before.
Anybody that works for or is ever involved with the government needs to know plausible deniability better then you know your own mother.
According to the intrusive messages I get on my iPad from NYT he was taken off suicide watch and then he committed suicide. Bet Clinton, Prince Andrew et al are all breathing a little easier this Weekend [[one of the et al’s may even be out shopping for a new “belt”).
Just image if they could have tied Donald in with his sexual exploits; they could have had him ‘peached by Tuesday for colluding to commit suicide, even though Epstein wasn’t Russian.
For all we know they could have injected him with a drug that slowed his heart rate so they thought he was dead,remove him to the coroner,new face lift and ....
I was incorrect in my other posting,now that he has passed,the criminal case against him stops,not able to find guilt they cannot seize assets.
Billions are going to be floating in limbo,what happens now if you borrowed a couple hundred million from him,who is going to collect.
They will find some low level employee to take one for the team,fire them with pension and after it all dies down,comes back to work at a higher level position.
The man who knew too much...
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Originally Posted by coracle
More likely that the Chump used his long arm to silence his "friend".
^ looks more probable that To-Doe handed it off to Reardon.
Like a doe caught in the headlights.
He has a younger brother named Mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffr...-mark-epstein/
I'm thinking true-d'oh! got off the virgin express, couldn't muster a kanadian klub, [[not the type of beaver he's used to) and found any future mention of the incident would be, well, "unacceptable".Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
If the Feds can prove any part of the amassed fortune was ill-gotten goods, then there might be forfeit and confiscation.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
There won't be an estate left when the civil cases are done, even if no one gets a dime but the lawyers.
Aside from all that, have y'all really never heard of Civil Asset Forfeiture? Uncle Billy could snatch the whole purse under that without ever investigating anything.
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Originally Posted by Meddle
Good call.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civi..._United_States
Perp commits "suicide", government collects billions, no one gets fingered, chief investigator gets promotion and raise. Win, win, win.
Thanks for the correction,I was parroting CBSN that I was watching at the time,I should have known better to believe anything they were saying,I guess another spanking is in order.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
It is interesting in reading the breaking news variations among different news agencies.
Epstein found dead in his cell
Epstein found dead from alleged suicide.
Epstien found dead from suicide.
One has to admit they are a smart group to know cause of death before even the coroners office can determine cause of death.
There are reasons for suspicion, no doubt.
But this thread is like flypaper for the conspiracy flies.
What a lurid pleasure to witness the contributions.
^ yes because as we are reminded on a daily basis life is in black and white and nobody ever does things for nefarious reasons,especially when it comes to money,and lots of it.
Sex,money and powerful people what more can one ask for,it’s all the ingredients of a made for tv drama.
How many seasons of Dallas survived world wide based solely on that.
^^^ The sex and money part alone are enough to give enough of a pass.
From the articles I've read, Clinton and Trump are *probably* in the clear regarding any seedy involvement with Epstein. Out of the allegations against him and his "parties," nobody has named Trump or Clinton. There was one allegation against Trump involving Epstein dating back to the 90's but it was dropped as Trump wasn't in Florida when the alleged assault happened. Also, Trump had a falling out with Epstein in the 2000s, and banned him from Mar-a-Lago after he tried to molest one of the staff.
That being said, there are a lot of other powerful people Epstein allegedly has dirt on. Possibly camera footage. I think an impartial and transparent investigation is in order, ideally from those with no stake in the matter. Of course this will probably not happen.
Yawannabet they'll never put Prince Albert in a can? [[OK, it was Prince Andrew but that doesn't have the same ring, does it?)
And the leader of the free world needs to stop posting conspiracy theories from some unknown dude sitting in his car. Now that's just 'effin weird.
^ see now that is gender bias,a woman was a part of the hit team that took out the general at the Dubai hotel that was selling arms to bad people.
So it can very well be a dudette sitting in a car somewhere.
Outside of that,now is your chance to show the leader of the free world up,just provide the evidence that you acquired while sitting in the cell with him.
See how clear things are?
I previously read that Epstein committed suicide with a belt. Now the NY Post is saying that he strangled himself with a sheet suspended from a bunk bed. Assuming that Epstein was about 6' tall, that bunk beds are about 5.5-6' tall and that the bottom of his chin is about 10" below the top of his head, it must have been difficult to position himself or hold his legs off the ground long enough to hang himself. There's always the dangling toe problem too.
After writing the above, I looked up 'hanging'. It turns out that most victims of suspension hanging are only partially hanging so, if I understand that phrase 'partial hanging' then it was possible for Epstein to hang himself on a bunk bed.
One other note: when I looked this up, Google was thoughtful enough to have a suicide hotline at the top of the page for people to call.
I’m pretty sure when they found Chris Cornell dead in his Detroit hotel room his body was on the floor from like the hips down. What a horrible way to go
Has the warden given a statement yet considering the high profile nature of this incident?
Maybe that's why we've not heard from her...?
Warden has been reassigned to a desk job. Or is that promoted to a cushy job?
On the heir front, seems LOTS of folks are claiming to have been 'fathered' by Jeff's prolificly distributed swimmers.
^^^ What? His children. All that sex and no children [[that see the light of day alive) is the usual!
Shannigans abound here... the old warden is not even named! Guards found asleep. Goodness what a mess.
Guards Slept Through Checks and Falsified Records/ Warden Reassigned!
What? Now there is a possibility that Epstein may have been strangled by someone's hand.
Noooooooooooooooo, you don't say.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f08_story.html
I'm shocked, I tells ya, shocked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
Further commentary on the Epstein case:
Attachment 38759
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Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
"Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZBu4mtALFo
Omg...
sung to the tune of Mitch Ryders, Devil with a Blue Dress
Bill Clinton with a blue dress, blue dress, blue dress.
Bill Clinton with a blue dress on... Heeeyyyy!
Blues dress, Blues dress,
Blues dress, Blues dress,
Blues dress, Blues dress, On.....
https://www.teaparty.org/wp-content/...-1-696x393.jpg
If the Clintons were so good at undercover atrocities and devious enough to "suicide" their enemies, don't you think Hillary would be President and Trump would be, um, "gone"? And Epstein would have disappeared without a trace back in about 2010
She never viewed Trump as a threat,remember she thought she had the election in the bag,then once president she could have destroyed him without starting a war.
She is evil,
but she is a smart evil,which is dangerous
The feds are discussing the seizure of his assets to create a slush fund of sorts in order to settle potential civil lawsuits.
So far at this point there are allegations but no process of determination of guilt,so how does the government seize assets in a just in case situation before actually proving guilt.
His death stops criminal actions so it will be hard to actually prosecute anybody associated with him,putting aside that guilt by association is not a crime.
There are an awful lot of people across the country who have had large sums of money taken from them without anything more than an accusation or suspicion; no charges ever even filed. I've read of cases where people were carrying cash from their business to buy something or make a deposit --- taken under CAF with little or no hope of return. Do a web search. You'll find plenty. Some PDs have essentially used it to fund their daily operations where they don't have enough tax funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Also, DOJ has openly stated his death won't stop anything. They say they're still investigating and may issue new arrest warrants. The agreement in the Florida case is under review also and may be revoked.
[[CAF = Civil Asset Forfeiture)Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
The side effects of giving up freedoms in the name of security,you hear it all the time,if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.
Its not a justification.
Not Epstein, but monstrous in other ways and too close to home:
https://www.scribd.com/document/4362...een&from_embed
And here's his fugly mug.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Inkadinkado
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/image/...cApguxA9QH/9k=
Oh, you mean BillyB???Quote:
Originally Posted by Inkadinkado
I think you forgot the pic link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
https://www.clickondetroit.com/resiz...VCO43RY73Q.png
Oh geez, thanks! My power went for a hot minute and didn't realize it even posted.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by jcole
"Forgot the link"? That's a phrank if there ever was one! Thanks for the assist.
A simple phrank couldn't be allowed to keep BillyBrew's face from being shown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inkadinkado
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Originally Posted by Maof
"A" for attempt.
I'm wondering if the Epstein story holds up financially. Here's a guy without an Ivy League degree who hangs out with royalty and highly placed politicians. Something doesn't fit. Money bridges some social gaps but did he have that kind of money? Wikipedia was unclear about what Epstein was worth. High estimates came from Epstein himself. Yet he was able to operate an island entertainment center and pay for all the entertainment and whatever it took to keep people silent. So I'm wondering if Epstein had a silent partner in this enterprise. Its unclear how much Epstein benefited from this. So far, I haven't read any accusations that there was an individual, governmental, or corporate sponsor.
Suicide my ass. They had him killed, so he couldn't implicate the world leaders and other powerful men, who used his escort service featuring underaged girls.
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Originally Posted by oladub
I kinda view him as a socialite,getting paid to connect power with power and arranging everything in between.
The island was just a prop or setting where the elites could meet,like anything else,hookers n blow provided but most likely not everybody associated with indulged it appears like it is mostly a guilty by association.