"A new residential high-rise building with more than 20 stories is planned near Comerica Park, Crain's has learned."
Story says it would be east of Woodward, but no specific site is known.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article..._medium=social
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"A new residential high-rise building with more than 20 stories is planned near Comerica Park, Crain's has learned."
Story says it would be east of Woodward, but no specific site is known.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article..._medium=social
I'm assuming the parking lots in front of comerica? it said they will overlook the stadium
From previous renderings that I've seen, that would go next to the GVSU Detroit Center/Barden Companies Building. But that's just my guess.
https://detroit.curbed.com/2014/7/21...arena-district
Of course these renderings and report has Ilitch is way behind on some of these timelines. No surprise there.
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I recall somewhere reading that chris illitch was rethinking the 4-5 story heights on the woodward-fronting apartment buildings and that the project scope would be much larger. I think the height being on woodward + q-line makes the most financial sense for them
This makes the BS excuse for the demolition of the Park Avenue Hotel rather ironic now doesn't it?
I am guessing this will go on the southernmost lot right along Woodward. I don't think they are ready to block the view of the Fox from Comerica and I don't think they would go that tall behind the ballpark to ruin the view of the skyline we currently have.
I am thinking the tower will be fronting Woodward and Elizabeth.
I looked into the company they are partnering with to potentially build this and they do "Live!" districts all over the country which combine chain retail and restaurants with a common spaces used for concerts and other things. I have a feeling that the tower will be on one block and the other block fronting Comerica will have one of these generic entertainment "things." It actually makes sense given all of the renderings and language they have been using for the district.
IF it happens [[emphasis on IF), I like the 20 story high-rise concept if built in the correct location.
A bad location would be the wedge block south of Adams, next to Grand Circus Park [[site #1 on the illustration posted previously). I could see them doing it because then they would have 20 stories of apartments looking into the stadium, which would be easy to market. I hate the idea though because it would kill the skyline view from the ballpark, even worse than the Camden Yards Hilton did in Baltimore.
A great location would be on the block between Elizabeth and Columbia, or better yet on the south side of Elizabeth using the half block with Chelis & Central United Methodist Church.
Truthfully, I would love to see the block between Columbia and Montcalm remain open, ideally as a plaza, but even as a surface lot. I think leaving that block open provides a lot of great views, and as downtown rebounds, I think an effort has to be made to keep the great vistas in place. Obviously it would be great if development was built north of Montcalm and south of Columbia to surround this block, but a plaza there could be a really great addition to the city.
Memo to the Ilitch organization: How about practicing with the Eddystone Hotel and the United Artists buildings.
I agree this would be a great slice of real estate to use. Here's the thing. The parking lot next to Cheli's is owned by the Stadium Authority.
The lot behind Cheli's is owned by Central United Methodist Church and two parcels fronting Woodward are owned by Stadium Authority and the church.
The two large parking lots fronting Woodward in front of Comerica are owned by the Stadium Authority. The only lot Olympia owns is the one on Adams next to GVSU.
All information is from MakeLoveland.com
With a half dozen dining/drinking establishments already open on Park, renovations in progress at the Detroit Life Building [[which I assume will include a retail/commercial component), and the activation of Columbia Street with the new LC HQ and flagship store, I see a demand coming for housing in the greater Fox neighborhood. A 21 story building may be just the start in this area as far as large scale residential developments go.
Ilitch already had plans to build on that property [[the 2 blocks in front of the Fox, and 1/2 block of the St. Johns Church). Ownership is probably just for tax purposes. The parking lots are available to the Ilitch's to develop as they please.
I would think the expression '99 year lease' might be applicable.
This is a big story but not an unexpected one. The idea of building opposite the Fillmore has been long assumed as Gistok indicates.
The only thing difference seems to be instead of two blocks of mid-rise residential buildings we know one block will be residential and and very tall.
And maybe instead of two blocks of mid-rises, the Ilitiches may have opted for one very tall building and open space, instead.
This project sounds like 2019 to me. The 2018 calendar seems full with projects already announced.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/b...velopment.html
the times has a little more content regarding cordish companies' vision and what's happening in KC with Power & Light district
although tax revenue from the district is steadily increasing, it is not clear that enough will be generated to cover the debt service.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/b...velopment.html
the times has a little more content regarding cordish companies' vision and what's happening in KC with Power & Light district
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although tax revenue from the district is steadily increasing, it is not clear that enough will be generated to cover the debt service.
Agree. Whatever legalisms for building on those lots was probably solved years ago and the last one, with St. Johns church, solved what two [[?) years ago.
I still maintain, to the dismay of some posters here, is that the Ilitches are trying to manage this District Detroit effort on a semblance of sanity. The arena and parking garages first, Ilitch school of business [[I know it is a WSU project but it still impacts construction), LC headquarters next, then previously announced housing developments in the arena area, etc. as announced, then this housing development, etc. etc.
As we've discussed many times, between what is happening in District Detroit and now with Gilbert at the Hudson's site, etc. there will be a lot of ongoing construction in the area taxing the supply of skilled construction workers.
Well their "sanity" starts with slash and burn first. They're trying to raze the Cass/Henry block of 6 historic apartment buildings for parking... and in the same breath build anew somewhere else. They've not restored one building since the Fox Theatre 30 years ago.
And the area where they are building now once had the attractive 17 story Wolverine Hotel that they had razed... now they could have used it for a stylish rehab... right across the street from Comerica Park. :[[
https://picclick.com/Vintage-Linen-P...l#&gid=1&pid=1
Of course you do. Nothing will change about you EMU Steve, you clearly think of Ilitch as God as think he's the best thing to ever happen to the city of Detroit.
SANITY my ass, they do it for the money, not for damn sanity. If you even bothered to click on the link above, which I doubt, you'll see the timeline of the buildings is WAY OFF. Maybe you should stop praying to your Ilitch God and start looking at him in a different light. My goodness, it's insane on every thread you defend this guy. It's getting old, it's getting annoying.
Contrary to what anyone says... it looks like the Ilitch's demolition derby of Detroit continues unabated.....
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...ing-demolition
Dan Gilbert would have restored this.... Chris Ilitch will make sure it becomes parking... no they have learned nothing about making making ANY sanity out of Destination Detroit... until it looks like "Hall Road Neo-Classic"..... :[[
This terra cotta clad century old beauty will likely be more parking with future development far into the future.
In 1963 the New York Times had this to say of the continuing demolition of the glorious Penn Central Station... "we will probably be remembered more for what we have destroyed, that for what we have saved". Amen.
The Ilitch's are still destroying the historic fabric of the city... one block at a time.
They also tried to say that it had to come down because terrorism, i.e. because someone could fire into the arena from a tall building next to it.
"The Ilitch's Olympia Development of Michigan contend the former Park Avenue Hotel must be demolished because it is so close to the new arena that it violates Homeland Security protocols followed by the National Hockey League, sources said."
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2015/01/30/ilitch-plan-save-one-historic-hotel-raze-another/22617217/
First google hit, or you can read various threads on this forum where people argued about it. It was always transparent BS.
Anyone else notice this was leaked to the press right before work got started demolishing the historic [[and once beautiful) car dealership? I wonder who was responsible for that attempt at distraction?
Time will tell if the Ilitches truly intend to build the apartments. But we can be sure they intend to demolish the car dealership.
The car dealership dates from 1910 and was originally the United States Motors Building. The DPL has several great photos of it here:
https://digitalcollections.detroitpu...%20Building%29
A protest is planned in front of it Saturday at 2:00:
Stop Demolishing Detroit's History for Surface Parking!
https://www.facebook.com/events/335608636940272/
BTW, Junjie: I totally agree. But I'm still having trouble with your transparent BS metaphor.
So they had to literally tear down a building because of the threat of terrorism. Did they not see the irony?
From the Crain's article:
"The number of residential units is not known, nor is a time frame for construction or precise planned location."
Wow! Thanks Crain's.
For this kind of quality inside scoop, I rate them below Metro Parent Magazine and only slightly above Mark Hall's Facebook page.
Wow, sarcasm, distrust and calling out of the Ilitches. I guess I was wrong, there's hope for today's youth after all.
"Little Caesars Arena, home of the NHL’s Detroit Red Wings and NBA’s Detroit Pistons, has received SAFETY Act Certification, the highest level of protection awarded by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Managed and operated by Olympia Entertainment, Little Caesars Arena becomes the first combined NHL, NBA and entertainment venue to earn the certification. As part of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the Support Anti-Terrorism by Fostering Effective Technologies Act [[SAFETY) encourages the creation and use of anti-terrorism technologies and practices."
https://facilityexecutive.com/2017/1...certification/
How would you rate the Freep...by far the worst on reporting
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ts/1076121001/
Crains is generally pretty good. It could very well be that the project isn't far enough along for the developers to have these things settled yet.
Right. The Freep actually followed with an article about the aforementioned Crain's reporting that contained no tangible new information.
So, in terms of useful reporting, the new rankings are as follows:
1) Metro Parent
2) Crain's
3) Free Press
4) @realDonaldTrump
5) Mark Hall's Facebook page
And auto-plays a loud, annoying video.
And credits Olympia for its "ambitious bid to spearhead “Detroit's largest residential development initiative in more than 20 years.”" without any mention that in their thirty some years of demolishing Detroit buildings for arenas and parking lots they have never built a single residence. Not one.
Only to follow with clickbait:
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And then its own news we can't use:
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It's important to stay informed. It's even our duty, for our democracy. But with options like this, it's sad to say: we must seek better information elsewhere.
It's a shame what Detroit'sdailiesthree-days-a-weeklies have become.
Wow!!!
Couple of my thoughts:
1). The much discussed plans for a hotel next to LCA would be great. Perfect.
2). Replacing Hockeytown, which is really too small [[in terms of height) with a full height building is perfect. Right now Hockeytown is a restaurant/green space to fill a big space which needs something big.
3). Two big residential/hotel towers. Excellent.
4). Lot of small stuff bordering Woodward is very good. Kind of a plaza.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article..._medium=social
Steve, stop it.
Is it a Hockeytown Hotel? That would be interesting.
^ Crains did ask the question.
Can the market support the influx of the thousands of new residential units planned downtown and in its surrounding neighborhoods over the next several years?
People like shiny new things that help pay for the other things,it is up to the residents how the shiny new things fit to benefit the city as a whole.
Ok Steve, settle down.
We've seen time and again Ilitch promise things and not follow through.
I really don't want to see any new building done until they start to renovate the structures they already own. They announced renovations last year and so far NOTHING has been done.
This is an empty promise and they must be held accountable.
Interesting timing with all of the current backlash against their proposed demos.
Shovels in the ground are about the only thing that will overcome the Ilitch credibility problem when it comes to non-arena/stadium [[subsidized) development. Maps, press releases and even RFP's won't do it. That's what happens after your organization spends 20 years acquiring and demolishing buildings simply to build parking lots.
Bingo. They were getting a lot of bad press regarding their demolitions so they release vague details and a map from early 2017 on a Sunday. The Illitch’s have mocked up renderings for everything they do or are considering, but nothing but an old map for this? I will believe it when I see it and I have no doubt they are hoping that announcing things like this will distract people from their intentions elsewhere around town.
If you actually read the article, you might note that Olympia declined to be interviewed by Crains [[guess they didn’t want any questions about any firm plans) and that they admit this is ALL “conceptual.” At this point it’s nothing more than fluff. It’s less of a “Big Story” than is the reveal of a concept car at an auto show. At least toned down versions of concept cars sometimes make it into production.
Respectively, companies don't announce until everything from zoning approvals, financing, constructions schedules are firm.
Typically what happens is that plans are leaked and then folks wait 6 month or a year for things to become finalized.
Same with the Hudson's building right? Didn't they release a series of conceptual drawings, etc. what a year or two before construction began?
Steve, the fact they had no comment is VERY telling. There are no renderings in this piece. Comparing the Hudson's and this are two completely different things.
Hudson's was announced by Gilbert with renderings and a timeline. This is an article stating that Ilitch has plans to build but won't comment, there's no renderings. It's so obvious by the lack of inaction is the action. Ilitch has no plans to do this and only is using this as a smoke screen to demolish more buildings.
Yeah, it is shameful. Rather than improving quality to compete, the Free Press turned into a generic USA Today branded site. It looks cheesy cheap crap. Even the printed version has that terrible branding and mostly filled with syndicated articles, not original content.
I'm just as excited as you are Steve though like the rest of these posters are saying, won't believe it until shovels are in the ground and crains in the sky. I'm not a fan of demoing historical structures, that's for sure. Detroit has lost too many good buildings that could've been saved. Only way Olympia can make up for it is actually following through on ANY of their development promises. Not holding my breath but maybe just maybe miracles do happen lol.
The sceptic in me thinks Hockeytown is slated for demolition to:
1. direct fan traffic to LCA
2. provide more surface parking :p
Of course I don't believe this but item 1. will benefit if the proposed high-rise on this site is conveniently delayed after the wrecking has commenced.
This was already announced. It was mentioned that memoribilia would be relocated to a new venue nearby.
“In turn, plans are to move the Hockeytown Café at the northwest corner of Woodward and Montcalm north in a space near or inside the new $627.5-million arena. The Hockeytown Café, which includes City Theatre, would either be demolished or incorporated into a larger development along Woodward, between Montcalm and the I-75 service drive.“
http://www.dbusiness.com/daily-news/Annual-2016/Detroit-Update-On-the-Pistons-Moving-to-Little-Caesars-Arena-and-New-Soccer-Stadium/
I don't think Hockeytown Cafe is closing anytime soon though. Delaware North, the same company that runs the food program in the arena has taken over Hockeytown Cafe. Word is there is a new food and beverage program on the horizon. I sure hope that is correct. The quality has been terrible for several years now. 2 issues...when you have inconsistent hours you tend to get poor quality staff because of lack of hours, and my other issue is with the glassware. Save the plastic for the arena. In a brick and mortar restaurant there is no reason to serve drinks in plastic.
I ate there once many years ago and thought it was garbage and overpriced. Maybe I'm in the minority on this one, but I have no issue with Hockeytown Cafe meeting the bulldozer and moving into LCA. I've always detested that use of space. If the plan is to replace that with a new building that fills is in the street wall, by all means have at it.
I've never had a good meal there either. I'm also on board with the demolition of the building. It was built in 1910, but obviously heavily altered.
Here's a photo of the building before Hockeytown Cafe.
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Expectations, thankfully, have risen quite a bit in this town in the last several years. The reason to go to HTC, and Cheli's for that matter, is that they were the only game in town. Both have, in my experience, always had crap food, mediocre ambiance, and random hours. My last two experiences at both places, during Tigers games no less, were they were dead. In both instances at Cheli's, the upstairs and roof, the only redeeming quality of the place, were closed in good weather.
The Hockeytown Cafe of today was a gutting of the Streamlined Moderne designed building that was Hughes Hatcher. Whether that building was a rehab of the original building or a total rebuild, I don't know... although it does appear to be much larger than the first store.
But here is the way it looked before it was gutted for Hockeytown. This is the building I remember from 30+ years ago [[you can just make out the NE corner of the Fox Building on the far left)....
The fact that they have no have no comment is not very telling at all. The Ilitch's have always been secretive and that's part of the reason why people get so frustrated with them, because they rarely say anything publicly. They clearly enjoy their private company status, both communication wise and taking their sweet ass time.
This is in direct contrast to Gilbert, who often has announcements about coming announcements. I'm not saying which style is better, but that's just the way it is. The Hudson's project was announced EVENTUALLY, several times with different renderings. He has had the development rights to that property for the last ten years. We may see actual shovels in the ground yet.
You're right there are no renderings. The Ilitch group released renderings for LCA, LC headquarters, and with WSU the school of business building.
Don't think we are six months to shovels in ground. I see this as a 2019 project.
Rumors always get well ahead of the facts on the ground [[or shovels in the ground in this case).
I don't want to toss cold water on this project or any projects in Detroit or elsewhere, but if there is bad, bad carnage on Wall Street [[say 20% correction or a recession) 'all bets are off' as they say.
All of the spending we've seen in Detroit and elsewhere was fueled by very low cost of borrowing.
To me this is an example of Olympia not wanting to become a landlord? They did not develop the Hotel, as they are waiting on someone to commit and build it. Do they really want to own residential buildings in their holdings?
Cordish was brought on 2 years ago to the District Detroit project. Does Cordish have a developer ready to finance these projects?
Is there a reference to any tax credits for these developments? or are these privately funded?
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article..._medium=social
Looks like we have a rendering of sorts, along with some more news of the area. You can see what looks to be a tower on Hockeytown and across Woodward
60' wider = two 30' deep retail 'rails' on woodward. 25'x60' are typ. white box retail dimensions. hope the backsides are treated as a façade rather than a 'revenue' opportunity overlooking 75 aka billboards, or worse yet a blank façade sim to high street in Columbus
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9737...7i13312!8i6656
Some good investigative reporting by Crain's, following the trail through real estate circles and then MDOT. I retract my previous criticism of them.
Unlike the Freep. They probably would have just interviewed Jerry Belanger and called it a day.
That building was the Hughes Hatcher store prior to the current building which was a complete rebuild in a two-story limestone facade building that was remodelled into the current Hockeytown Cafe as it appears today.
Is it a good investment for the Fed & State to spend millions so that a few storefronts can be placed on this overpass? Shouldn't a lot more of the empty space on both sides of Woodward be filled in first? I get that Ilitch wants a more attractive walk to the LCA but if he leaves surface parking anywhere on Woodward isn't this just an indirect gov't subsidy of it?
One big thing is being missed here:
Notice the west side expansion is a triangle/wedge shape. There is a reason, and it’s not just artistically framing the walk to the arena. Widening the bridge over the southwest corner would mean putting more bridge decking above the NB I-75 onramp from Clifford St, which the further you go west, the higher up in elevation that onramp is.
Note also at Woodward currently the vertical clearance is only 14’6”, which is actually fairly short for interstate standards. Pushing the bridge further west would result in an even shorter vertical clearance, as more of the elevating onramp would be covered. There is no way the FHWA would approve shortening the vertical clearance more on an already substandard height clearance.
Hence the Southwest corner of the Woodward bridge is not widened, and we get the triangle shape. This allows the northwest corner of the bridge to be expanded outward, and the clearance issue is not impacted.
Long story short, that onramp to NB I-75 from Clifford creates all sorts of problems. For those wishing for a full freeway “cap” between Clifford and Woodward, this ramp is what is preventing it. Which is a shame, because it would also be great to connect Park Ave with the new arena too. Getting rid of that onramp would also allow such a connection.
To end on a happier note, as part of the I-375 boulevard project being proposed, a new onramp from the NB service drive to I-75 NB is proposed near Brush Street. [[See the graphic in their latest proposal). What would be great is that if traffic using the Clifford onramp was just sent two blocks further down the service drive to this new onramp at Brush, and then the Clifford onramp was removed all-together.
With the Clifford onramp gone, the potential to cap the freeway, and allow a pedestrian connection over I-75 at Park Avenue becomes possible to build. [[Hint, hint... to anyone official reading this post).
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/sites/d...?itok=p_050-2x
the rendering also shows the new highrise + live block complete with triangular skylight roof exactly the same as st louis' ballpark village. not sure how a large food hall up the block from the Hudson large food hall will work. I'm guessing the Comerica food hall will be pretty dead on non-game days...
https://www.visitmo.com/Portals/0/Li...rkvillage3.jpg
Has anyone been to a Live! venue? I am wondering if they feel as artificial and inauthentic as they look.
Re: BPV in STL....They’re a generic/corporate/mall safe space for out of towners and tourists to go to get a sanitized experience in the city. Very similar to a chain restaurant [[applebees/sports bar) experience u get in the burbs but with hofbrau house scale. they are large and open thus they pull a lot of traffic from many of the local independents on game days. If you like mobs of people, sticky floors, mediocre food, and smelly glass watery draft beer it’s the place.
Sadly, as funny as your comment is, that bet is pretty solid with the silly Disney pavilion getting built and as usual Detroit misses out on some badly-needed highrises [[because we obviously build too many of those). Ugh! Detroit is starved for new skyscraper construction SMH. I live near Chicago and it’s nothing for them to build 30, 40 story buildings. No one blinks or foams at the mouth at such developments.
I'm thinking that it will not be a Live! venue. Those seem to be a full out commercial space.
I feel that since you have the Columbia Street 'experience' when walking from the west towards the stadiums between the Fox and new HQ. That this 'experience' will continue until you get to the park entrance. The 3D model shows a park in the space. Maybe they are contemplating adding a covered structure for the year round experience? This could be similar to the Via or Piazza at LCA, where you can have a secured area. Add some portable beer tubs and entertainment.
Hi everyone. First post here. I decided to share these renderings I found of a development called "Detroit Live!". Definitely a Cordish development with the Live! name and hotel. The renderings also seem to be companions to the black and white rendering on one of the previous pages. Seems ambitious. Hopefully, Cordish can pull it off without Olympia Development screwing with it. This came from a website called "NelsonWorldwide.com"
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Don’t get your hopes up.
I'm willing to bet a lefty leaning body part that ain't happening
Hey! He's a newbie who is polite!
Hey criss752... welcome to the forum. The Ilitches now have a major public relations problem... such as they are not building anything but parking lots at the moment in their "District Detroit" area. One of the first things that would likely happen [[after Hell freezes over), would be the widening of the Woodward overpass over the Fisher Fwy. for wider sidewalks and small retail on the bridge... likely before any of those towers ever gets built. The only thing going to happen anytime soon is between the Palms Building [[Fillmore/State Theatre) and Grand Circus Park, is a 20 story bank HQ for Chemical Bank and its new co-owner bank.
But as for the Ilitches... go check out Facebook page "Terrible Ilitches" for more info on their very poor track record of building anything except parking.
Oh wow actual renderings of the buildings on the Olympia model we saw about a year ago.
The thing with these flashy renderings [[besides being developments that will never happen) is they don't consider that a vast majority of the Red Wings and Pistons games at the arena will take place in the winter. The renderings show tables and patios and people mingling outside, but I see places where they will inevitably put huge piles of snow that won't melt until April, when the Red Wings have long been out of playoff contention.
LA Live is great because it's beautiful year-round. But in Detroit, you get these public spaces like the Chevy Plaza or this rendering, that sit cold and empty for 8 months a year.
Nice renderings but if memory serves me correctly the Ilitch family parted ways with Cordish within the last year. Im guessing it was the same complaint as other developers have had working with them in that they micromanage and want to control every aspect of things.
Good point about the weather in Detroit and how it makes amenities at an installation like this seem kind of wasted and out of place. Works in a town like LA, that’s for sure. Or where I live. Granted Austin doesn’t have any professional sports teams sadly. As a complete aside, as bad as Detroit’s sports teams are and have been, I will never be a band-wagoner and root for some Texas team. Some people may be able to cheer for the local teams of the city to which they move, not me. Detroit sports fan till the day I die....Depression and anger and grief that comes with it, lol.
Which means those two complexes will be not built until the year 2025 that will after the Great Recession brought to you by President Trump. Making America Great Again.
The Ilitch family has ZERO credibility when it comes to downtown development. The only thing they've managed to do was build taxpayer-funded arenas and they have kind-of built the new Pizza HQ, but that's been taking a really long time to finish up.
My fears with Gilbert are about whether or not they'll scale down certain projects. My fears with The Ilitch family is whether or not they'll ever actually start on anything that they promised.
"Ah, yes.............."
In all fairness, aside from that one parking garage, Gilbert hasn't built anything [[yet) either.
And the Illitches do at least deserve credit for renovating the Fox Theatre, paying for Wayne Staye's new business school building, playing a critical role in bringing back one of Detroit's professional sports teams from the suburbs and repurposing an abandoned bread factory into a significant revenue generator for the city.
Ilitch does deserve some credit... but not in the last 20 years [[Gores deserves the credit for bringing the Pistons back). Check out one of the 97 buildings Gilbert is restoring... the big one...
http://www.dailydetroit.com/2017/07/...ing-back-life/
The Ilitches have ONLY finished restoring 1 building... the Fox, in 1987-88.... that is 32 years ago! Although "in all fairness"... they have been working on restoring building #2... the Detroit Life Building.... restoration planning work started 6 years ago!! :eek:
https://www.friedmanrealestate.com/d...ces-and-shops/
Haven't been inside there in some time [[not since Second City left)... but that site had 2 previous Hughes Hatcher store reincarnations before it became Hockeytown...
#1 [[early 20th century)....
https://digitalcollections.detroitpu...landora:158445
#2 [[1930s)....
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/attach...4&d=1323457220
I believe they used the structural framework of the previous building, and added onto it. Not sure that could be called a rehab or new build, based on the radical changes.
If we’re being fair, Gilbert also built 28Grand and the Ilitches are currently renovating the Women’s City Club Building. Whether it actually gets done or sits in a half finished state for a decade and a half is a different story.