L. Brooks Patterson gone by year’s end?

Oakland County has been moving steadily left over the past two decades. This year's election has seen the Democrats flipping and now holding a majority of the Oakland County Commission seats for the first time ever.

According to the rules if the Oakland County executive resigns or passes on the commission selects a successor.

It has been widely rumored that LBP was planning to step aside toward the end of his current term with the understanding that a Republican-majority commission would choose Sheriff Mike Bouchard to succeed him lending Bouchard the incumbent status going into the next election.

If that plan is still in place, LBP will now need to go before the new commission is seated in January.

This article details how LBP finds himself hoisted on his own petard.

Patterson Didn’t Plan for Loss of GOP Control
How Democrats could pick Brooks Patterson’s Oakland County successor

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/...ty/1946014002/

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Originally Posted by Lowell

hoisted on his own petard.

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Great expression!

In case you're wondering:

Online Etymology Dictionary entry for "petard"
https://www.etymonline.com/word/petard

Petard: 1590s, "small bomb used to blow in doors and breach walls," from French pétard [[late 16c.), from Middle French péter "break wind," from Old French pet "a fart," from Latin peditum, noun use of neuter past participle of pedere "to break wind," from PIE root *pezd- "to fart" [[see feisty). Surviving in phrase hoist with one's own petard [[or some variant) "blown up with one's own bomb," which is ultimately from Shakespeare [[1605):

"For tis the sport to haue the enginer Hoist with his owne petar" ["Hamlet" III.iv.207].

PS. Do you know the etymology of pumpernickel? See here:

The Devilish Origins of "Pumpernickel"
https://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/w...-pumpernickel/

PPS. Eff Patterson that effing eff. Oakland County wise up! I hope you finally realize your future is tied to ours and vote accordingly.

Can't happen soon enough. Should have happened years ago.

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Originally Posted by EastsideAl

Can't happen soon enough. Should have happened years ago.

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Agreed.

Metro Detroit / Michigan will become a marginally better place once he goes away.

PPPS. Eff is Germanic. Of course.

LBP isn't my idea of the idea of a leader, but he seems like a good administrator. Except for Duggan, the Dems are short of people who actually know how to run things. [[Better at tearing down, IMO.)

For example, OC moved from Defined Benefit pensions to Define Contribution -- and from people I know who work for the Country, they're quite happy and say their retirements will be better than they would have been under the old, bureaucratic, centrally planned retirement plan.

Won't be soon enough....

I would hope that someone gets in who can do a complete enough forensic audit to put this fool in prison.

Soooooooooooooo Happy to be rid of this bufoon, sooner than later.
Zero Love for LBrooksP -- Bye bye Lewis

We can only hope he's gone

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Originally Posted by Meddle

I would hope that someone gets in who can do a complete enough forensic audit to put this fool in prison.

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I'm not a fan of Patterson, but I've never heard anything to suggest he's done anything illegal. Do you have reasons for concern? Are there some news articles I'm not aware of?

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Originally Posted by 48307

I'm not a fan of Patterson, but I've never heard anything to suggest he's done anything illegal. Do you have reasons for concern? Are there some news articles I'm not aware of?

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The hatred seem odd right? Patterson never did anything to them.

But Patterson limited how many dump-trucks worth of cash OC had to throw at Detroit,.. and that angered a lot of Detroiters.


He was also very good at running things financially,.. which made the idiots on Detroit City Clowncil look bad by comparison.

So many of the greediest, laziest and most racists Detroiters have this odd hatred for LBP,... and are hoping he gets replaced with a leftist idiot that will give Detroit lots more cash.

There is no odd hatred, it's very valid contempt that grew from his actions. He's overtly and unapologetically racist, he's ruined multiple regional transit plans and promotes regional division in the area. He told the media that we should gather native Americans in Detroit and give them diseased blankets and corn.

He is undeniably a terrible human being that should have been booted out a decade ago. Nobody is jealous of his financial abilities, a Neanderthal could run OC's finances it is one the country's top wealthiest counties.

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Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest

There is no odd hatred, it's very valid contempt that grew from his actions. He's overtly and unapologetically racist, he's ruined multiple regional transit plans and promotes regional division in the area. He told the media that we should gather native Americans in Detroit and give them diseased blankets and corn.

He is undeniably a terrible human being that should have been booted out a decade ago. Nobody is jealous of his financial abilities, a Neanderthal could run OC's finances it is one the country's top wealthiest counties.

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Seconded.

Any traditional Republican could've handled Oakland County. LBP just used the racism of fleeing white Detroiters to build his Oakland County provinicial-minded suburban wasteland. And for what?

I certainly agree that LBP was and is racist [[people rarely change). In all the elections I can remember I have never voted for him. I still would love to see any evidence to support Meddle's claims that Patterson has done something illegal that would be revealed by a forensic audit.

My gut tells me that Patterson has probably kept himself clean, as much as I don't like his racism and prioritization of tax breaks over fixing the crumbling county roads.

People at that level don't not skim sugar off the bottom of the cookie jar. Only a thorough audit would determine whether he did or didn't. If he did, it was likely in ways that looked clean so as not to raise suspicions.

I have no reason to think LBP did anything in terms of bribery corruption and very highly doubt it. A lot of people don't understand that money doesn't mean that much to some people, providing they have enough, and especially when they have comfortably enough.

A more addictive lure to people like LBP is power--the ability to push people around, be the center of attention, even outrage, have people beholden to them. He and Coleman Young shared that lust and thrived on it. It helps understand how both benefited from their conflicts politically, and most importantly, in their inner persons.

Cirrhosis of the liver will send this racist old alcoholic shuffling off to Hell shortly enough.

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There is no odd hatred, it's very valid contempt that grew from his actions. He's overtly and unapologetically racist, he's ruined multiple regional transit plans and promotes regional division in the area. He told the media that we should gather native Americans in Detroit and give them diseased blankets and corn.

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What does any of that have to do with Detroit though? He doesn't run Detroit. Why does anyone in Detroit even care?

Secondly,.. statements such as that pale in comparison to the overt racism displayed by Detroit city council. They have been so overtly racist over the years, and seem more than happy to bankrupt their own city.

Massive contracts going to companies that aren't qwualified to do the work,.. just because they are black owned,.. even if it costs the city 20% - 30% more.

I had an acquaintance in high school that had an office supply company. They would bid contracts as tight as they could,.. against 3-4 other companies. All would be within a percent or two of each-other,.. expect a minority owned company that would bid much higher, and get all the business. Eventually the guy and his partner sold off 1/2 their company to a rich black doctor in the suburbs. After that they could bid almost anything they wanted. They made a lot more money after that,.. even though they only owned 1/2 the company.


Makes it hard to take this kind of stuff seriously.


And no,.. not any neanderthal can run a county. LBP saw the crash coming [[like I did),.. and started hiring freezes long before. Contracts trimmed, spending freezes etc. So when it finally hit in 2006+,.. they were ready. Detroit by comparison still signing contracts they knew they would never be able to pay,.. even if the crash didn't ever happen.

It's what happens when someone is elected because of their fiscal restraint,.... instead of because they once sang and danced, or because they're a gay pervert who can't balance a checkbook, or because they were a flaming racist, or were nearly illiterate, etc.

It's like being a dad. When the kids ask you for stuff,... you often have to say no. Then the kiddies cry. But that's OK.

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And no,.. not any neanderthal can run a county. LBP saw the crash coming [[like I did),.. and started hiring freezes long before. Contracts trimmed, spending freezes etc. So when it finally hit in 2006+,.. they were ready. Detroit by comparison still signing contracts they knew they would never be able to pay,.. even if the crash didn't ever happen.

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A good, decent Republican would've seen the exact same thing. He's wasn't a special soothsayer. LBP is nothing special he just connected with the common white man to hate Detroit and therefore was elected the many times we was. He "told it like it was", "speaks his mind". BLAH BLAH BLAH

It's not that LBP didn't run Detroit or had to be Detroit's #1 cheerleader, it's that he refused any sort of regional cooperation because of myopic view that Oakland County doesn't need Detroit. Instead of the region fighting for a pie together, LBP wanted fight for the pie as well against Detroit. What kind of fucked up leader does that in a major metropolitan region when the entire economy is based on one cyclical industry and we should all be fighting for a healthy economy? LBP's attitude and governance has been absolute travesty to bringing this metro area into the 21st century in terms of social barriers, economic diversity, and mobility issues. Detroit's might've been financial bankrupt, but Oakland County was morally bankrupt.

And no, statements such as those don't "pale in comparison". They are easily comparable. LBP is a white man who governs over a majority white county. He is a racist. He says racist things. It's a comparison.

As a former employee of Oakland County, many of higher up/director positions were based on how well connected you were to Boss Patterson. As well, I don't feel like sitting in HR orientation watching a video praising the laurels of how great LBP has been. We all hated this one court administrator, but she was there because she was neighbors with LBP. [[Now I'm not saying that didn't/doesn't happen in Detroit but for a county that touts itself "as better" than Detroit, it clearly is not)

Didn't "The people" of Oakland County vote against sponsoring a regional transit system? Was LBP supposed to over-rule them and do it anyway? Any tax increase [[such as to subsidize a regional transit system) has to be approved by the voters. And most suburban voters think they already ship enough money to Detroit through state funding of schools etc.

What Detroit really needs is someone to sponsor one-way moving trucks,.. to help people who work in Detroit move to Detroit. That way Detroit gains residents, and tax base.

Oakland, Macomb and the other counties can't pay Detroit's bills forever. At some point Detroit will need to stand on it's own again.

Folks from Detroit have been fleeing to Oakland County for decades. White folks for sure, but black folks as well.

They have fled to Oakland County for many reasons, but crime and inefficient services are at the top of those reasons.

Brooks has been very good at keeping the financials solid and he learned that from Dan Murphy. Murphy built an amazing foundation of fical sobriety and that attracted both business and people.

Brooks took over in 1992. Coleman was on his way out by then, so the perceived fantasy of those two actually dealing with each other is not accurate. Barbs thrown, sure; but officially working against each other, no.

Brooks was the Prosecutor, and while he had a big mouth; Dan Murphy ran the place.

As far as OC moving Left, I don’t think so. Maybe it is a question of semantics, but OC has been a Center Right place and it still is; the issue is that the Republicans have shifted to the Far Right or even Extreme Right.

Here is another example, while not in OC it still is a solid Red city: Livonia.

In Livonia only one Republican won. A lady for Wayne County commissioner. Not Governor,SoS, AG, any University boards plus every Proposal passed with double digit percentages.

Livonia.

Anyone really think that bland excuse of a bedroom community is all of a sudden turning into a Leftist bastion liberalism?

No.

The reason is that the Republicans put up a slate of people who have abandoned the Center and repeatedly concoct wedge issues that only serve to divide neighbors from neighbors.

Should LBP retire? Yes. Will he, yes; but only if he loves his county more than himself.

LBP, through is PR person, has retorted. King Lear is not ready to abdicate.

The lie in Dickerson's column is that Patterson intended to resign early to have the board name a Republican successor. This lie has been floated by Democrats for several election cycles now. Those who have the privilege of working with Patterson laughed every time it was brought up because it is absurd and counterintuitive to what everyone knows: Patterson will never resign his office nor has he expressed intentions to do so.

One final note about the slim 11-seat Democratic majority on the board of commissioners. The Democrats need 14 seats to be vetoproof. Patterson has a line-item veto. As long as he is in office, he will continue to ensure the fiscal practices and policies of the county align with his vision for protecting taxpayers.

https://freep-mi.newsmemory.com/publ...reid=291bea194

Oakland County has voted for a Democrat for President in the last six elections.

I agree with the assessment that L Brooks is a decent administrator. Also, that he is playing on easy mode since his county has been wealthy - and less dependent on manufacturing - since he took office.

He's a dinosaur now, though. His ideas have come and gone. Accusations of racism aside, he relishes sprawl. Sprawl is somewhat inevitable, but it belies the fact that some of OC's most vibrant, prosperous and resurgent communities are along with Woodward corridor - now with interest spilling over to Oak Park and Clawson. This seems to be incomprehensible to him.

OC is chugging along, and he deserves some small bit of credit for it. Ultimately it is a free country, and it is not as if he kidnapped people from Detroit and made them move there, or carpet-bombed the place. He did seem gleeful about Detroit's downward spiral and a poor neighbor, but not the cause of its ills, to be sure.

Still, OC to me these days have an air of "grandma's house" if you will. Dated, dowdy, pleasant, but fading. Once the fourth richest county in the nation and now in the 20 spots somewhere. I think he actually deserves some blame there, operating as if bourbon-slugging auto execs in McMansions would forever be the road to prosperity.

I disagree with some of these characterizations.

First, Oakland County hasn't "moved Left". Republicans have abandoned Reaganism for Trumpism, and educated suburban types aren't gonna vote for a platform of "I hate foreigners, immigrants, globalism, science, the media and anyone with a college education". Soccer moms in Bloomfield aren't gonna go big for the "ya grab em in the hoo-haw" candidate, so the Bloomfield country club set, alongside the Novi/Rochester McMansion types, have left the party.

Second, Patterson, while a fossil and probably a racist, has been an excellent manager and presided over great prosperity. His departure probably won't be much of a regional gain; it's just that some forumers are jealous of the county's success and believe that if the county declined it would benefit other counties.

Third, Patterson won't leave unless he passes away in office. He loves his job and there's no strategic reason for leaving early.

dtowncitylover, gnome, poobert: spot on!

Little to add except: I've lived a few places and traveled a lot more and nowhere have I encountered anywhere as bad an us vs. them mentality as infects far too many Metro Detroiters. LBP is archetypal of one side of that equation. For the region to truly prosper it must realize it depends on the health of the entire organism, and cooperate accordingly. The cancer LBP spreads must die. Not just racism, failed city planning too.

We discussed the first part here:

Thread: Detroit out-migration, in-migration, and the "other"
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...uot-other-quot

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I disagree with some of these characterizations.

First, Oakland County hasn't "moved Left". Republicans have abandoned Reaganism for Trumpism, and educated suburban types aren't gonna vote for a platform of "I hate foreigners, immigrants, globalism, science, the media and anyone with a college education". Soccer moms in Bloomfield aren't gonna go big for the "ya grab em in the hoo-haw" candidate, so the Bloomfield country club set, alongside the Novi/Rochester McMansion types, have left the party.

Second, Patterson, while a fossil and probably a racist, has been an excellent manager and presided over great prosperity. His departure probably won't be much of a regional gain; it's just that some forumers are jealous of the county's success and believe that if the county declined it would benefit other counties.

Third, Patterson won't leave unless he passes away in office. He loves his job and there's no strategic reason for leaving early.

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Pretty solid analysis.

I have lived in Oakland County for my whole life minus 7 years in Warren. I started off as a Republican. Then I became mixed on my ballots between R and D. And now I refuse to vote for any Republican because of the embrace of Trump's racist, anti-science, and anti-intellectual ways.

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I have lived in Oakland County for my whole life minus 7 years in Warren. I started off as a Republican. Then I became mixed on my ballots between R and D. And now I refuse to vote for any Republican because of the embrace of Trump's racist, anti-science, and anti-intellectual ways.

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I'm pretty much the same. I've consistently voted for both parties, and am overall moderate, but will never vote for any candidate who endorsed, or even normalized, Trumpism.

The Republican party is dead to me unless they throw the "white nationalist" wing out. I haven't moved Left, they've moved scary Right.

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Originally Posted by Bham1982

Third, Patterson won't leave unless he passes away in office. He loves his job and there's no strategic reason for leaving early.

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Well, he already said he won't run in 2020. So he's retiring which is a reason why it doesn't make any sense for him to step down any sooner.

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Originally Posted by 48307

. ..... Trump's racist, anti-science, and anti-intellectual ways.

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Why go there with the baseless slander?

By racist you mean not wanting billions of poor to flood into our country and over-run our social safety net, then over-run our police as the money runs out,... thereby turning us in to Venezuela?

And by anti-science you mean not falling for the lies from people who are trying to steal trillions, and crush the USA like Soros wants,.. and instead looks at the actual data, which shows NO evidence that man is causing Global Warming. [[The most recent warming period having started a hundred + years before the Industrial Revolution,.. and seems to have ended 20 years ago in 1998). You should note that climatologists believe that there is Global Warming [[which Trump does also),.. they further believe it is normal to have periods of heating and cooling [[which Trump does also),.. and they have no data to show that man is a primary cause [[which Trump seems to believe also). So how is he anti-science? Not wanting to destroy your country because of a myth is good policy.

The left has promised to give away more than $200 TRILLION that they don't have. Soc Sec, Medicaide, Medicare, etc, etc). Our only hope of paying even a fraction of that is to rev up the economy to it's highest levels ever, and keep it there. Carbon taxes etc do just the opposite.

While - LBrooksP - ""might"" not have done anything blatantly illegal,
[[ he is an lawyer/attorney by the way) - he is well connected/networked.

Lewis Brooks Patterson
Director, Mackinac Financial Corp.
Lewis Brooks Patterson is on the board of Mackinac Financial Corp.,
Plastipak Holdings, Inc., Detroit Economic Club
and mBank [[Manistique, Michigan).
Mr. Patterson received a graduate degree and an
undergraduate degree - from the University of Detroit Mercy.

What does Mackinac do?

Mackinac Financial Corporation operates as the bank holding company for mBank that provides commercial and retail banking products and services in the United States. The company accepts interest bearing and non-interest bearing accounts, such as commercial and retail checking accounts, negotiable order of withdrawal accounts, money market accounts, individual retirement accounts, regular interest-bearing statement savings accounts, certificates of deposit, time deposits, and interest bearing transaction accounts. Its loan products include provides commercial loans to entities within real estate — operators of nonresidential buildings industry; consumer loan products comprising installment, mortgages, and home equity loans, as well as residential mortgage loans; and commercial and governmental lease financing. The company also offers safe deposit facilities. As of March 27, 2018, it operated 12 branches in the Upper Peninsula; 4 branches in the Northern Lower Peninsula; 1 branch in Oakland County, Michigan; and 7 branches in northern Wisconsin. The company was formerly known as North Country Financial Corporation and changed its name to Mackinac Financial Corporation in December 2004. Mackinac Financial Corporation was incorporated in 1974 and is headquartered in Manistique, Michigan.

Mackinac executives and stock owners

Mackinac executives and other stock owners filed with the SEC include:

• Paul Tobias, Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer; Chairman of mBank
• Kelly George, President; President and Chief Executive Officer of mBank
• Lewis Patterson, Independent Director
• Randolph Paschke, Independent Director
• Robert Orley, Independent Director
• Robert Mahaney, Independent Director
• Joseph Garea, Independent Director
• Dennis Bittner, Independent Director
• David Steinhardt, Director
• Walter Aspatore, Lead Independent Director
• Jesse Deering, Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President of the Company and mBank
• Ernie R Krueger, Executive VP & CFO

https://www.reuters.com/finance/stoc...fficers/MFNC.C

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Secondly,.. statements such as that pale in comparison to the overt racism displayed by Detroit city council. They have been so overtly racist over the years, and seem more than happy to bankrupt their own city.

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Yes, City Council members said some racist statements over the years, people like Lonnie Bates, Kwame Kenyatta, and Monica Conyers. The point that folks on here are making, is that those people are either dead or not in elected office anymore, while the racist Oakland County official is still in office. Do you see the difference - they are not in council anymore, but Patterson still is in office.

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And no,.. not any neanderthal can run a county. LBP saw the crash coming [[like I did),.. and started hiring freezes long before. Contracts trimmed, spending freezes etc. So when it finally hit in 2006+,.. they were ready. Detroit by comparison still signing contracts they knew they would never be able to pay,.. even if the crash didn't ever happen.

It's what happens when someone is elected because of their fiscal restraint,.... instead of because they once sang and danced, or because they're a gay pervert who can't balance a checkbook, or because they were a flaming racist, or were nearly illiterate, etc.

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The below Time Magazine article from September 2007 about Kwame Kilpatrick indicated that Kilpatrick reduced the city's workforce from 21,000 to 13,800, and also cut property taxes. So to say that Patterson made workforce cuts, but not to highlight that Detroit made workforce cuts during that time as well, is presenting a false reality.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/...663791,00.html

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Why go there with the baseless slander?

By racist you mean not wanting billions of poor to flood into our country and over-run our social safety net, then over-run our police as the money runs out,... thereby turning us in to Venezuela?

And by anti-science you mean not falling for the lies from people who are trying to steal trillions, and crush the USA like Soros wants,.. and instead looks at the actual data, which shows NO evidence that man is causing Global Warming. [[The most recent warming period having started a hundred + years before the Industrial Revolution,.. and seems to have ended 20 years ago in 1998). You should note that climatologists believe that there is Global Warming [[which Trump does also),.. they further believe it is normal to have periods of heating and cooling [[which Trump does also),.. and they have no data to show that man is a primary cause [[which Trump seems to believe also). So how is he anti-science? Not wanting to destroy your country because of a myth is good policy.

The left has promised to give away more than $200 TRILLION that they don't have. Soc Sec, Medicaide, Medicare, etc, etc). Our only hope of paying even a fraction of that is to rev up the economy to it's highest levels ever, and keep it there. Carbon taxes etc do just the opposite.

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Racism

By racist I mean making generalization based on race and unfairly treating people based on race.

Examples: Classifying Mexicans as rapists. Supporting white supremacists in Charlottesville.


Anti-Science

He doesn't believe in climate science or any other science that might hurt corporate profits. That's why he's dismantling the EPA and going back on all the climate initiatives. He apparently believes in the sky-god with no evidence, but wants to ignore overwhelming, nearly universally accepted climate science. Why? Because money.

Your're worried about the left's spending

Don't, because the wars and tax cuts of the Republican administrations have been far worse. Trump has controlled everything in DC the last two years and yet the spending deficits are going up, up, and away. Why? Because Republicans lie about caring about the budget and only want to help line the pockets of already disgustingly rich people.

Trump is very dangerous to this country and world. I'm glad to see there will be some balance to his power in the House of Representatives.

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Why go there with the baseless slander?

By racist you mean not wanting billions of poor to flood into our country and over-run our social safety net, then over-run our police as the money runs out,... thereby turning us in to Venezuela?

And by anti-science you mean not falling for the lies from people who are trying to steal trillions, and crush the USA like Soros wants,.. and instead looks at the actual data, which shows NO evidence that man is causing Global Warming. [[The most recent warming period having started a hundred + years before the Industrial Revolution,.. and seems to have ended 20 years ago in 1998). You should note that climatologists believe that there is Global Warming [[which Trump does also),.. they further believe it is normal to have periods of heating and cooling [[which Trump does also),.. and they have no data to show that man is a primary cause [[which Trump seems to believe also). So how is he anti-science? Not wanting to destroy your country because of a myth is good policy.

The left has promised to give away more than $200 TRILLION that they don't have. Soc Sec, Medicaide, Medicare, etc, etc). Our only hope of paying even a fraction of that is to rev up the economy to it's highest levels ever, and keep it there. Carbon taxes etc do just the opposite.

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This kind of deranged drivel is exactly why Republicans are done in Oakland. If you believe any of this, you just might be a Trump Cultist.

They need to purge the party of Crazy or they're done everywhere but the poorest, most backward parts of rural America.

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Racism

By racist I mean making generalization based on race and unfairly treating people based on race.

Examples: Classifying Mexicans as rapists. Supporting white supremacists in Charlottesville.

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Well,.. there IS a lot of killing, drug cartels, etc RIGHT across the border.

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Anti-Science

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He doesn't believe in climate science or any other science that might hurt corporate profits. That's why he's dismantling the EPA and going back on all the climate initiatives. He apparently believes in the sky-god with no evidence, but wants to ignore overwhelming, nearly universally accepted climate science. Why? Because money.

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What science exactly? Because he seems to agree with ACTUAL scientists,.. just not lie peddlers like Al Gore that doctor data and falsely claim that CO2 is somehow related to temperature rise. [[Data shows otherwise).

Capping carbon output means shutting down wealth producing industry,.. which means becoming poor. How are we going to pay for $200 trillion in give-aways if we become poor? We need millions MORE to be working and paying taxes and millions LESS to be on the dole to have any chance of making this work.

Also,.. the net result of EPA rules isn't what you'd hope. Modern turbo cars actually produce MORE emissions and in some cases get worse fuel economy. Such as F150 with 3.5 Ecoboost v.s. 5.0 Coyote,.. where the bigger engine gets better mileage and WAY better emissions. The tests need to be re-done. EPA rules also force manufacturers to make much bigger cars. The shadow rule means they can't make small trucks,.. but have to keep making bigger and bigger ones to be legal [[MPG allowance goes up as they get bigger). The EPA rules need to be totally revamped,.. and nonsense MPG numbers for gentle highway cruise are not indicative of real world use. 52 mpg? Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by 48307

Your're worried about the left's spending

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Don't, because the wars and tax cuts of the Republican administrations have been far worse. Trump has controlled everything in DC the last two years and yet the spending deficits are going up, up, and away. Why? Because Republicans lie about caring about the budget and only want to help line the pockets of already disgustingly rich people.

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Military spending? It's like 2.6% of the budget. Medicaide alone is 17% and climbing 1% a year. It's totally unsustainable. That, medicare and Soc Sec will soon be more than 100% of our budget. So yeah,.. worried about lefts spending.

wow. Bigdd has gone off the deep end. this is the same garbage that people like the MAGA bomber loved to spew and roll themselves up in. pretty pathetic.

i am a moderate voter and consider myself a staunch independent. but as other posters on here have said, i am voting straight democratic party until agent orange is out of the white house and the gop that we all once knew is restored. they are pathetic, bigoted, anti-intellect losers and it felt so good 11 days ago to vote straight D on the ticket and see the tides changing for the republicans in this state and across the country

i hope that it sent them a clear message. get rid of trumpism, or be voted out. simple as that

LOL! Bigdd is the same genius who said:

"Barak isn't actually black,.. He's Indonesian, and was adopted by Lolo Sotoro and Mary Ann Dunham when he was 6. Look at his facial features. African blacks facial features get more aggressive as they get older. Not so with Obama.

And there's no track-record of him having a soft spot for blacks. He's a Muslim,. and a homosexual,.. and as such, you see him catering to Muslim countries,.. giving them hundreds of millions, and nuke technology. You also see him pushing the gay agenda like the bathroom thing."

He fantasizes Michelle Obama is a transsexual. And he thinks Joan Rivers was murdered for saying so.

In other words, he is Trump's base.

Science is pretty damn sure LBrooksP is a racist .

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LOL! Bigdd is the same genius who said:

"Barak............................................ ..................In other words, he is Trump's base.

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See,.. you probably think you've soundly rejected the points I made,.. but in reality, you've done just the opposite.

You see,.. when people think they're right [[whether they are or are not),.. they make an argument, so as to try to convince other side.

But when someone KNOWS they're wrong, and don't have a leg to stand on,.. they can only call names.


You've just told everyone in the thread you know you're wrong.

Bravo!

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wow. Bigdd has gone off the deep end. this is the same garbage that people like the MAGA bomber loved to spew and roll themselves up in. pretty pathetic.

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Was anything I said in the above post incorrect? If so,... what?

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Originally Posted by SpartanDawg

i am a moderate voter and consider myself a staunch independent. but as other posters on here have said, i am voting straight democratic party until agent orange is out of the white house and the gop that we all once knew is restored. they are pathetic, bigoted, anti-intellect losers and it felt so good 11 days ago to vote straight D on the ticket and see the tides changing for the republicans in this state and across the country

i hope that it sent them a clear message. get rid of trumpism, or be voted out. simple as that

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The GOP actually did MUCH better than Pres Obama did in his first mid-term.

It's quite normal to loose seats in a first mid-term. Actually, can't remember any time it didn't happen. And instead of loosing 64 House seats and 6 senate seats like the Dem's did in 2010,.. the GOP lost 38 House seats, [[going from from a 22 seat majority to a 16 seat minority) and actually gained what? 2 Senate seats?

If you figure a senate seat as being worth 4.35 hose seats,.. the math works out to 2010 being a loss to the Democrats of [[6 Senate seats x 4.35 = 26.1 - 64 House seats = a total loss of 90.1

This November the GOP gained 2 Senate seats [[more like 5 when you count the leftists and Independents that had run as Republicans, but rarely voted with them that have since been replaced [[Flake, McCain, etc) So 2 Senate seats x 4.35 = a +8.7,.. - 38 House seats = a loss of 29 ish ?

A loss of 29 is WAY better than a loss of 90. So basically, America only dislikes Trump 1/3 as much as they disliked Pres Obama?

If you reads election results as a referendum on the President..

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LOL! Bigdd is the same genius who said:

"Barak isn't actually black,.. He's Indonesian, and was adopted by Lolo Sotoro and Mary Ann Dunham when he was 6. Look at his facial features. African blacks facial features get more aggressive as they get older. Not so with Obama.

And there's no track-record of him having a soft spot for blacks. He's a Muslim,. and a homosexual,.. and as such, you see him catering to Muslim countries,.. giving them hundreds of millions, and nuke technology. You also see him pushing the gay agenda like the bathroom thing."

He fantasizes Michelle Obama is a transsexual. And he thinks Joan Rivers was murdered for saying so.

In other words, he is Trump's base.

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Thanks Bust! There's no reason to even try after reading that.

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See,.. you probably think you've soundly rejected the points I made,.. but in reality, you've done just the opposite.

You see,.. when people think they're right [[whether they are or are not),.. they make an argument, so as to try to convince other side.

But when someone KNOWS they're wrong, and don't have a leg to stand on,.. they can only call names.


You've just told everyone in the thread you know you're wrong.

Bravo!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

And as for the second post, despite the House and Senate numbers, the gubernatorial elections and ballot proposals inMichigan and across the nation also helped with the blue wave.

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Our only hope of paying even a fraction of that is to rev up the economy to it's highest levels ever, and keep it there.

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I know I am probably wasting my time, but I invite you to thoughtfully consider:
1) the soundness of what you just posted. If you have not previously taken an economics class, you should consider it.
2) whether, upon careful consideration, you really, truly believe, or just want to believe, that deficit spending in the form of tax cuts is going to...eliminate the deficit.

Praying for you...

That DD stuff is the kind of stuff serial killers think up to justify stocking up on lime just in case the bodies in his crawl space start to ripen.

The control freak of control freaks giving up power? Not until he is voted out of office!

Goodbye white version of Coleman A. Young.

:D Love the sentence up above via Danny

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:D Love the sentence up above via Danny

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My faith in your technical solutions to infrastructure has been buoyed by your commanding computer skills.

LBrooksP has stood in the way of technological progress
JUST so he could get re-elected and continue to fill his pockets.

Let me share a speech LBrooksP gave in 1998:
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/20...rain-lbrooksp/

Instead of doing it properly, he put on a band-aid on a tsunami of shit.
The county "had" ranked 7th in the USA for median household income
The tax base was there - HE didn't want to get the InfraStructure funding

so when is there going to be a new election in OC? 2020? 2022?

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LBrooksP has stood in the way of technological progress
JUST so he could get re-elected and continue to fill his pockets.

Let me share a speech LBrooksP gave in 1998:
https://redrundrain.wordpress.com/20...rain-lbrooksp/

Instead of doing it properly, he put on a band-aid on a tsunami of shit.
The county "had" ranked 7th in the USA for median household income
The tax base was there - HE didn't want to get the InfraStructure funding

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Michigan's [[relative) decline in median household income ranks has nothing to do with Brooks or anyone, really.

The fastest growing counties by median income are all tech-oriented counties, mostly on the West Coast, or [[in previous years) energy-extraction economies in the Central/Western U.S. Silly to blame anyone for Michigan's lack of oil, mining prospects or not having Stanford.

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so when is there going to be a new election in OC? 2020? 2022?

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2020, which he said he wouldn't run again.

OC has been on a left-leaning trajectory for decades, it has nothing to do with Trump. This is the tipping point.

now that Mike Bishop failed to retain his congressional seat, would he run in 2020 for Oakland executive?

Let me put it this way :
Because LBrooksP always threw the shit over the wall - onto others -,
the county, never payed it's fair share of infrastructure costs !!!!!
The county has money, since it never spent much of its own.

Oakland has high median family income, pegged at more than
$96,000 a year, after U-M experts adjusted it for local cost of living.
That was done so as to compare it — apples to apples —
with other counties on both U.S. coasts,
where housing and other costs are much higher.
Oakland’s family income figure was ranked 14th highest in the nation
by the U-M experts. [[2018 study done here in Michigan)

NOW if the taxes went up - to support infrastructure needs -
that means less in the pocket of those residents and LBrooksP looses his job.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...nce/621447002/

Remember what is in Oakland County

• Hazel Park [[48030), Median household income was $35,042 and 9 percent of adults had college degrees.
• Pontiac [[48342) Median household income was $20,398 and 7 percent of adults had college degrees

LBrooksP isn't , and wasn't, all that and a bag of chips ....................
The county has some MAJOR challenges to overcome and deal with 2018+

What tedium are you pedaling now?

OC doesn’t pay what you think is fair for sewage? You made that point years ago and make that same point with almost every post.

Almost e v e r y p o s t.

Whether the threads are about emissions, DC3 seating charts, hair transplants, radio frequencies or manual shifting patterns on the Ford Mustang.

True

Perhaps you have selective reading disorder.
I've started threads where I don't mention Lewis at all, or water/sewage.

...ending speculation that he might toss the job to a successor before Dems take over the Commission.

I kind of suspected he would. He enjoys being a center of attention too much.

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/govern...ling-surrender

I'm glad he didn't circumvent democracy. This also means that dems have a much better chance of flipping the county exec seat next election. I've got strong mixed feelings about Patterson. He's effectively ran the county government, but his past statement weigh heavily. I'm also very disappointed he used a recent budget surplus to provide tax breaks instead of using it on neglected county roads.

.......all things come to an end........even LBrooksP

https://youtu.be/pguMUFyJ3_U