Federal Fraud In Farmington

"ICE has arrested about 250 students who were enrolled at a fake university in Farmington Hills set up by ICE to lure in students. Tanya Wildt, Detroit Free Press

About 90 additional foreign students of a fake university in metro Detroit created by the Department of Homeland Security have been arrested in recent months.

A total of about 250 students have now been arrested since January on immigration violations by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement [[ICE) as part of a sting operation by federal agents who enticed foreign-born students, mostly from India, to attend the school that marketed itself as offering graduate programs in technology and computer studies, according to ICE officials.

Many of those arrested have been deported to India while others are contesting their removals. One has been allowed to stay after being granted lawful permanent resident status by an immigration judge.

The students had arrived legally in the U.S. on student visas, but since the University of Farmington was later revealed to be a creation of federal agents, they lost their immigration status after it was shut down in January. The school was located on Northwestern Highway near 13 Mile Road in Farmington Hills and staffed with undercover agents posing as university officials."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...it/4277686002/

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Attorneys for the students arrested said they were unfairly trapped by the U.S. government since the Department of Homeland Security had said on its website that the university was legitimate. An accreditation agency that was working with the U.S. on its sting operation also listed the university as legitimate.

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Everyone involved from the AUSA to the agents to the Immigration judges should be fired without their pensions.

Jeezus. The University of Farmington?? Yeah, there's some credentials for ya. Right up there with getting your B.S. from Trump University.

What laws regarding entrapment apply in this situation? Suppose I set
up a fake university for the explicit purpose of encouraging you to
violate a federal law? Isn't that entrapment or do I misunderstand
what was happening?

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Originally Posted by rickbak

Jeezus. The University of Farmington?? Yeah, there's some credentials for ya. Right up there with getting your B.S. from Trump University.

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I thought there actually was a University of Farmington. It goes by another name: Oakland Community College [[Harvard by the highway)

I agree with Meddle that every single person involved with this thing needs to be fired. Further, the people who conceived of this despicable entrapment scam and ran it should be in prison.

But even more than that, all those smug white nationalist anti-American bastards who are coming up with crap like this need to be forcibly ejected from power and any role in our public life and government ASAP.

My first reaction was WTF??, and my reaction remains WTF??. I bet Stephen Miller came in his pants when he learned about this one. Actually, since most undocumented immigrants in the Detroit metro seem to be Eastern European, and thus totally non-swarthy, I suppose the Detroit office was running under quota for deportations this year, and the Director needed to drum up some business to avoid an unfavorable performance review.

Someone also should look into the accrediting agency that worked with ICE on this atrocity. Gives accreditation a bad name.

I guess nobody read the entire article and just what was posted here.

Their true intent could not be clearer," Assistant U.S. Attorney Brandon Helms wrote in a sentencing memo this month for Rampeesa, one of the eight recruiters, of the hundreds of students enrolled. "While 'enrolled' at the University, one hundred percent of the foreign citizen students never spent a single second in a classroom. If it were truly about obtaining an education, the University would not have been able to attract anyone, because it had no teachers, classes, or educational services."


The UK just went through a similar purge.

Basically the recruiters collect a free from the potential students who know full well in advance that they will never attend any classes but under the student visa they receive permission to legally work in the United States while attend school.

The recruiters then give kick backs to the school administrators and teachers in order to log the students in as if they were attending class when they actually never step foot in a classroom.

So they were abusing the student visa work program and useing it to gain permission to work in the US.

The right people were jailed and or removed from the country.

The bird-dog recruiters collecting the fees.

The students who paid the fees knowing full well they were not going to be actually attending school.

The difference in this case verses the case in the UK it was not necessary to arrest school officials or teachers for taking bribes in order to sign off that the students were attending school when they were not.

Because they were government employees.

The government could have gone after an accredited school where this is happening and shut the school down.

But then what would have happened to the students,both US born and foreign born that were following the law?

They would have lost thier school and the foreign students would have lost thier scholarships and right to work.

So by the government setting this up they stopped the innocent from being harmed and only caught the ones knowingly committing crimes.

A foreign student applying for a student visa does not need a bird-dog to handle things for them,they can apply on thier own.

The only reason they need a bird-dog is because they have the connections to pay off the administration to say you are attending classes when you are not.

The only reason they are paying a bird-dog is to obtain permission to legally work in the United States and useing the student visa as a back door.

Any of us with ethics surprised by Tricky Dicky's post?

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Originally Posted by Meddle

Any of us with ethics surprised by Tricky Dicky's post?

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Your style of ethics would have preferred that they went to the hundreds of accredited schools and weeded out those administrators and students and closed those schools while putting thousands of innocent students out of thier education?

It has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with it is a risk when doing a crime,they got caught.

I agree with the question of who is actually giving these people an accreditation for a collage that is basically a post office box.

Why would you post just enough to get people riled up without posting the all of the facts?

Why assume what these kids and adults knew or did not know? Perhaps they thought the school was getting it together soon. Looks like a legit school, legit enough to get accreditation. If I was out money into the U of Farmington like they were, I'd be waiting for my classes as well. The troubling part is they have the Visa information. How hard is it to monitor people's Visa status and put out warrants out for them when they expire? To set up a fake University and lure students means you're going to get some honest kids who want to study, and that is as ugly and cold hearted as it gets.

Imagine the man hours and expense of hand picking and following hundreds of people across the country in hundreds of schools.

How is it any different then when the police set up a fake pawn shop to catch fences.

Or the DEA setting up as a supplier in order to catch drug dealers.

Or even as simple as a police officer sitting on the side of the road with radar in order to catch speeders?

Entrapment and cold hearted?

I posted where they said 100% that they got were enrolled but never spent a day in the classrooms.

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Originally Posted by DeLemur

Why assume what these kids and adults knew or did not know? Perhaps they thought the school was getting it together soon. Looks like a legit school, legit enough to get accreditation. If I was out money into the U of Farmington like they were, I'd be waiting for my classes as well. The troubling part is they have the Visa information. How hard is it to monitor people's Visa status and put out warrants out for them when they expire? To set up a fake University and lure students means you're going to get some honest kids who want to study, and that is as ugly and cold hearted as it gets.

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From what I have read this "University" only offered graduate level degree programs, so they were not targeting naïve 17-18 year old kids. Anyone that enrolled and paid for graduate level classes, but was never offered any classwork either knew full well that they were scamming the system, or they would/should have gone to the authorities with claims that they themselves were being scammed.

My guess is that if any students were innocently caught up in this mess they are not among the 250 people charged. In those instances the likelihood of conviction would be very low and far outweighed by the threat of lawsuits from the truly innocent. The government wanting to avoid accidently charging those with honest intentions is probably why we're just now seeing more charges nearly a year after this story broke.

All this now has me questioning the value of my PhD from Wossamotta U [[Garden City campus).

The way many are framing this it looks on the surface to be entrapment, but I encourage everyone to dig deeper into the details before rushing to judgment.

I hope no one innocent was caught up in this, but it's clear from the details if any were they were very few.

I rarely agree with Richard on anything, but the first two of his analogies in post #12 do apply. If setting up this fake university to nab the scammers was unjust, setting up a fake pawnshop or fake heroin supplier are too. The qualification with the second analogy being there is no chance anyone innocent would get caught up in the sting operation. And with the first analogy, like with the fake university, it is imperative to filter anyone innocent out.

That's not to suggest we shouldn't debate whether these are just law enforcement strategies. We can.

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Originally Posted by bust

If setting up this fake university to nab the scammers was unjust, setting up a fake pawnshop or fake heroin supplier is too. The qualification with the second analogy being there is no chance anyone innocent would get caught up in the sting operation. And with the first analogy, like with the fake university, it is important to filter anyone innocent out.

That's not to suggest we shouldn't debate whether these are just law enforcement strategies. We can.

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Pawn shops, drug stings et al catch people who have already done something wrong. But pawn shops can be legitimate too.

There was nothing legitimate about this. It was set up to entice people to do something they might not have otherwise. The fake accreditation would have fooled people who tried to verify in earnest.

I say again, EVERYONE involved in this needs to be expelled from Government employment.

Here are the F-1 CPT guidelines for University of Michigan students [[this is the same visa type offered to "university of Farmington" students)

https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/students/f1-students/cpt

If you scroll down to the requirements for a "Full-time CPT", it does not seem to require any physical presence on-campus [[compared to Part-time CPT) and/or class attendance, provided a "Reduced Course-Load" is obtained.

How is this program any different from the one offered by the [[fake) university of Farmington?

I haven't made up my mind about this yet, so I am just trying to understand how the students were supposed to know that the whole thing was a scam vs. a real program.

Humm!!! Must be a bunch of Pakistani-East Indian Muslims that are doing a plot.

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Originally Posted by CR75

Here are the F-1 CPT guidelines for University of Michigan students [[this is the same visa type offered to "university of Farmington" students)

https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/students/f1-students/cpt

If you scroll down to the requirements for a "Full-time CPT", it does not seem to require any physical presence on-campus [[compared to Part-time CPT) and/or class attendance, provided a "Reduced Course-Load" is obtained.

How is this program any different from the one offered by the [[fake) university of Farmington?

I haven't made up my mind about this yet, so I am just trying to understand how the students were supposed to know that the whole thing was a scam vs. a real program.

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Most of what I have seen in both here and the UK,which has a similar student program,it is centered in India.

Word gets around and it is no different then anything else.

If you want to legally work in the US then you can use the student visa program.

If you want to immigrant via paid marriage,you pay a marriage broker.

If you want to get across the southern border,you pay a coyote to smuggle you across the border.

Your intent from the start is to circumvent the system by exploiting the loophole,so their intent from the start is not to study.

The recruiters that were arrested were in essence the coyotes,thousands come the legal way and they receive an education while working and they do not get arrested,because they did it the correct way.

Seems like a lot of hassle in order to make a buck but it is mostly those with no education and no skills that cannot find work in thier country,even working here at $15 per hour is a lot of money,but once they get permission to work,it is easy to get lost in the system and stay.

Its like anything else,the few screw it up for those with good intentions and tighter restrictions are put in place in order to stop it that end up hurting those instead of the intended target.

Like I posted earlier,this way they targeted only the ones that knew they were circumventing the system from the start without disrupting the innocents.

It was a reverse scam sting,you know the lawyers are going to jump in because it is a multi million dollar cash business and win or lose it is an opportunity.

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Originally Posted by CR75

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I haven't made up my mind about this yet, so I am just trying to understand how the students were supposed to know that the whole thing was a scam vs. a real program.

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I'm not sure it matter whether is was a 'scam' or not.

The question is whether the presumptive 'students' had a right to remain in the USA or were they here illegally.

If they were here legally, then CPB and ICE would have no issue with them. They are visitors, and they are allowed to stay a certain period of time. If they have already over-stayed their visitor status, then they should go back regardless of their desire to find a school that would arrange a visa for them.

Of course this only makes sense if you believe that the USA has a moral right to limit access to the USA. If you believe that people who have over-stayed their visitor visas should be allowed to stay, then I'm sure you would consider any enforcement of the rules to be 'fraudulent'.

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Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

I'm not sure it matter whether is was a 'scam' or not.

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The students were not arrested for 'overstaying' their visa. They were arrested for violating the terms of their current, valid F-1 visa by knowingly enrolling in a fake university. Had the university been real, like UM, they would not have been arrested.

My question is, did the students really know it was a scam? The CPT program at UM [[and I am sure at many other universities) seems to me identical to the one at the university of Farmington, since it does not require students to be enrolled in any class and/or any presence on-campus.

I don't care about any 'moral rights' or whatever, I am not interested in those discussions. I work in higher ed and I would just like to have some clarity on this CPT program, before we go out and advise students to transfer/enroll in these programs. I personally do not think I would have been able to discern the scam, especially since the "university" was fully accredited, and I have been working in higher ed for many years.

^ in order for the scam to work a professor has to sign the paper that the student physically attended the class.

I would think that if a student was enrolled in the CPT program there would also be a paper trail of the students involvement.

From what I have seen in the cases in both the UK and the US,students were involved in the program where they were supposed to be physically in class,professors signed off that they were in fact in class when they were not.

It only works if the professors agree to it.

That is not as common in established reputable universities etc.

The majority is with the setting up of a fake university with the sole intent to circumvent the system,no buildings,no classes etc,you will not see it to any extent in mainstream reputable,popular universities and colleges

If the students applied then they really have to be doing some kind of research into the school that they are attending,a room in an office Park is usually the first clue.

If one is going to advise students to enroll in programs I guess the simplest route would be to advise them to in-roll in university’s that you know are legitimate.

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Originally Posted by Richard

Or even as simple as a police officer sitting on the side of the road with radar in order to catch speeders?

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More like a police officer putting up a fake 90MPH speed limit sign and then sitting on the side of the road with radar to catch drivers going faster than 70MPH.

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Originally Posted by ekleezy

More like a police officer putting up a fake 90MPH speed limit sign and then sitting on the side of the road with radar to catch drivers going faster than 70MPH.

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Not really,because unless one lives in Montana,anybody with a lick of sense knows there are no speed limits based at 90 mph in the States.So they would be wary until they found out it was a legit speed.

Even at that,with the amount of people going 40 mph down the freeway in the fast lane while texting,nobody would not be able to cruise 90 mph anyways.

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Originally Posted by Richard

Not really,because unless one lives in Montana,anybody with a lick of sense knows there are no speed limits based at 90 mph in the States.So they would be wary until they found out it was a legit speed.

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Montana - or maybe India?

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Originally Posted by ekleezy

Montana - or maybe India?

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Montana has highways with no posted speeds so no worries with speed traps.

India is like Japan and China,20 million people in a city and they all seem to be on scooters at the same time,you crossing the street is like playing dodgeball and you are the ball.

I went from Tampa to Orlando for the holidays,freeway was cruising 80 to 90 and sure enough was a hipster and his girl driving 50 mph in the fast lane in a smart car,and both were face deep in thier phones,oblivious to what was going on around them.

More relevant to the thread is these stings were set up in 2015/2016 under the previous president and they were first implemented in New Jersey on the same scale,3 years ago,nobody said anything back then,why?

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Originally Posted by Richard

Like I posted earlier,this way they targeted only the ones that knew they were circumventing the system from the start without disrupting the innocents.

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Yes, that's why they targeted only Indian students and arrested even people who transferred out of the scam program to a legitimate program once they discovered that there were no classes. And protection of the innocent is why they had this fake program accredited, listed on all pertinent lists as totally legit and accredited, and had federal agents tell students who questioned them that this was all legit and that they shouldn't ask questions.

Yes, all very fair and even-handed, and not deceitful or racist or self-serving at all.

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Originally Posted by EastsideAl

Yes, that's why they targeted only Indian students and arrested even people who transferred out of the scam program to a legitimate program once they discovered that there were no classes. And protection of the innocent is why they had this fake program accredited, listed on all pertinent lists as totally legit and accredited, and had federal agents tell students who questioned them that this was all legit and that they shouldn't ask questions.

Yes, all very fair and even-handed, and not deceitful or racist or self-serving at all.

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Yes,claim racist against Indians because the scam originated in India,Funny how the hundreds of other countries in the world with thousands of students enrolled in student visa programs are merrily attending school without any problems.

Why is it that all of those students choose to follow the law and had no problem useing the same exact system that was advailable to India?

Or are you actually saying that people in India are so stupid that they could not figure out a scam that the rest of the world had no problem figuring out?

That is racist.

They played the game and got caught.

I agree with you,they should have wasted millions in tax dollars,arrested hundreds of administrators and college professors and closed hundreds of collages down leaving thousands of students,visa program or not out in the cold.

It is not enough that we already give India the most liberal student visa program including the right to work,now were are supposed to give them permission to enter the country and work and say,okay if you actually feel like going to school as the program is designed to do have at it,if not do not worry about it?

You might as well just tell any American citizen going to college in the IT or technology field to stay home,that’s the kind of people we are when we saddle our own fellow Americans with debt so they can learn a skill for a better life and then tell them to piss off because anybody else in the world can take thier place and we are going to make damn sure they do.

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Originally Posted by Richard

Montana has highways with no posted speeds so no worries with speed traps.

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Montana’s period of no set speed limit lasted from 1995, when Congress repealed the national 55 mph speed limit, to 1999, when the state Supreme Court said the “reasonable and prudent” rule was unconstitutionally vague, after which the Legislature set a maximum 75 mph.

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https://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...6335fd1be.html

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Originally Posted by Richard

Yes,claim racist against Indians because the scam originated in India,Funny how the hundreds of other countries in the world with thousands of students enrolled in student visa programs are merrily attending school without any problems.

Why is it that all of those students choose to follow the law and had no problem useing the same exact system that was advailable to India?

Or are you actually saying that people in India are so stupid that they could not figure out a scam that the rest of the world had no problem figuring out?

That is racist.

They played the game and got caught.

I agree with you,they should have wasted millions in tax dollars,arrested hundreds of administrators and college professors and closed hundreds of collages down leaving thousands of students,visa program or not out in the cold.

It is not enough that we already give India the most liberal student visa program including the right to work,now were are supposed to give them permission to enter the country and work and say,okay if you actually feel like going to school as the program is designed to do have at it,if not do not worry about it?

You might as well just tell any American citizen going to college in the IT or technology field to stay home,that’s the kind of people we are when we saddle our own fellow Americans with debt so they can learn a skill for a better life and then tell them to piss off because anybody else in the world can take thier place and we are going to make damn sure they do.

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Glad you finally made your agenda clear.

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Originally Posted by Richard

If the students applied then they really have to be doing some kind of research into the school that they are attending,a room in an office Park is usually the first clue.

If one is going to advise students to enroll in programs I guess the simplest route would be to advise them to in-roll in university’s that you know are legitimate.

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Right. The first thing you would do is to check whether the university is accredited. It was. A lot of legitimate universities, and most of the for-profit universities, are based in an 'office park'. In fact, only the well-endowed universities have a pretty campus with squirrels running around.

So yeah, sorry but I still don't see how they could have been aware that this was a scam.

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Originally Posted by EastsideAl

Glad you finally made your agenda clear.

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Finally? You've had doubts?

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Originally Posted by Meddle

Finally? You've had doubts?

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Nah, no doubts. But it was nice to see one of them say it [[or write it) out loud for once.

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Originally Posted by EastsideAl

Glad you finally made your agenda clear.

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Everything has to be an agenda right?

So that would make your agenda the promotion of anything set as illegal actually legal.

I do not need an agenda,I got mine and did not even need an education in order to get it,unfortunately times have changed and there are those that need the education in order to get theirs.

To bad they have a hard time ahead of them when they have you and Meddle campaigning for everybody else in the world to have the right to break the rules.

You guys are the reason that we have inner cities with no hope,lots of pride in that.

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Originally Posted by CR75

Right. The first thing you would do is to check whether the university is accredited. It was. A lot of legitimate universities, and most of the for-profit universities, are based in an 'office park'. In fact, only the well-endowed universities have a pretty campus with squirrels running around.

So yeah, sorry but I still don't see how they could have been aware that this was a scam.

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Maybe you are not understanding how it works.

You live in India,you want to go to the United States in order to work,you cannot get permission like everybody else.

So you pay a recruiter to set you up under the student visa program,with that you receive permission to work.

You get to the states and get a job because you now have permission to work.

You do not have to show up for school as the requirement is because the staff is paid off to log you in as attending the class when you are not.

Or the fake accreditated school signs the paperwork that you have attended class.

The reason that you know it is a scam is because you paid the recruiters with the full knowledge that you would not be attending class.

The recruiters collected your money knowing full well that you were never going to attend class.

This is not like some innocent people got caught up in a sting.

It is a buisness it cannot be run unless both parties choose to partake in it and both parties know full well is is a scam.

Thats why they also arrested the recruiters and charged them.

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You guys are the reason that we have inner cities with no hope,lots of pride in that.

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Glad that's finally settled. I was wondering who to blame.

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Originally Posted by rickbak

Glad that's finally settled. I was wondering who to blame.

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It is not who,it is the mindset.

You know what WALT Disney world did?

Brought over IT techs from India because it was $10,000 cheaper per employee,made the current employees train and settle them in before they fired them.

So we provide other people in other countries the opportunity to get an education in order to replace our citizens at a cheaper wage and expect them to pay thier way while stripping them of the opportunity they worked for.

Thats bad enough but to campaign and support them while scamming the system is an insult not only to the students for this country but also the students form other countries that made the decision to do it the right way.

Wrong message to send.

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So yeah, sorry but I still don't see how they could have been aware that this was a scam.

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Pretty simple. It's highly likely that they were informed of such before they signed up to "attend".

Out of the hundreds of people that have been either convicted or charged, only a handful are fighting the charges. That's a pretty good indication that the Feds had rock solid evidence that these folks weren't being scammed, but were themselves the scam artists.

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Maybe you are not understanding how it works.

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Richard, you are making all this stuff up without providing any reference, link, fact, statistic whatsoever, and choosing to ignore the facts provided by the articles and the links provided, so it's hard to have a meaningful conversation. It's clear to me by now that you are just trying to push some kind of political message, so knock yourself out but as I wrote before, I am not interested in that, at all. I will continue to research the matter elsewhere. Thanks for your time.

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Richard, you are making all this stuff up without providing any reference, link, fact, statistic whatsoever, and choosing to ignore the facts provided by the articles and the links provided, so it's hard to have a meaningful conversation. It's clear to me by now that you are just trying to push some kind of political message, so knock yourself out but as I wrote before, I am not interested in that, at all. I will continue to research the matter elsewhere. Thanks for your time.

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Nice try.

Op posts an excerpt from an article that only included a one sided view,without reading the link she posted comments were made that the officials should be jailed and a bunch of in innocent were caught in a trap.

It is clear that very few even read the link posted and it was taken at face value but yet I have provided easily searchable facts and even some facts that were in the OPs link that nobody read in the first place before coming to a conclusion.

You yourself have clearly not read the link posted by the Op otherwise you would have never asked the question you did,the Sorry part was I actually thought you were serious and was stupid enough to take the time to try and help you understand something you clearly had no intention of wanting to understand.

Without even doing your research you come here and claim I am making things up and trying to push some political message.

This is not a new thing 2015 an exact same sting was set up in New Jersey just as another one was set up in 2012.

So how exactly does politics play into it on my part,it appears to be on others agenda.

So now please do your own research and come back and tell me again how I am making this stuff up.

My guess is you will not because you could not even take the time to read the posted link as it was before commenting.

Simple 3 second search of student visa fraud will get you up to speed.

If you really want to get creative also search student visa fraud in Canada and you will also find it is a problem there also.

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Pretty simple. It's highly likely that they were informed of such before they signed up to "attend".

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The only surprise here is that the Free Press actually followed up on their one sided mess of their earlier story.

"U.S. Attorney Schneider said: "At the outset, they were told there would be no classes and no education. Month after month the 'students' willingly paid the 'University' so that they could fraudulently maintain their status [[as a full-time student engaged in educational activities), and falsely obtain documents [[Form I-20’s) that would allow them to illegally remain, re-enter, and work in the United States.”

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/12/09/ice-defends-fake-university-metro-detroit-led-250-arrests/2625316001/



I didn't vote for her, but it was nice to see Representative Slotkin's comment about the need for gathering more information, instead of the knee jerk reaction from those like Senator Warren.

So, not only the initial fraud committed by the Feds, but continuing and ongoing. What else would you call it when someone [[vendor, merchant, bank, etc.) continues to take your money every month with no intention whatsoever of providing goods or services in return?

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So, not only the initial fraud committed by the Feds, but continuing and ongoing. What else would you call it when someone [[vendor, merchant, bank, etc.) continues to take your money every month with no intention whatsoever of providing goods or services in return?

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These "students" got exactly what they thought they were paying for. Which in this case wasn't a graduate level education, but instead was falsified documentation that they needed to cheat our immigration system.

"Vance Callender, special agent in charge of the Detroit office of ICE's Homeland Security Investigations [[HSI), said in a statement to the Free Press that “HSI special agents, as part of this undercover operation, made it abundantly clear in their interactions with potential University of Farmington enrollees that the school did not offer academic or vocational programs of any kind. The individuals who enrolled in the University of Farmington did so intentionally."

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These "students" got exactly what they thought they were paying for. Which in this case wasn't a graduate level education, but instead was falsified documentation that they needed to cheat our immigration system.

"Vance Callender, special agent in charge of the Detroit office of ICE's Homeland Security Investigations [[HSI), said in a statement to the Free Press that “HSI special agents, as part of this undercover operation, made it abundantly clear in their interactions with potential University of Farmington enrollees that the school did not offer academic or vocational programs of any kind. The individuals who enrolled in the University of Farmington did so intentionally."

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So the 'students' weren't students. They were engaged in fraud.

The DHS sting-school wasn't a fraud. They accurately represented themselves as a fraudulent school.

Threads like this on DYes are great. I started out reflexively thinking that this was a valid sting operation. Then, I read some more and thought that DHS had pushed the boundaries of a sting operation too far. That they were enticing legitimate students into their trap. The word is entrapment.

But no. It turns out they were up-front with their 'clients'. The clients clearly wanted a fraudulent school. And DHS simply provided it.

So DYes is doing an important public service of providing [[or at least selecting) news to help us citizens who have been abandoned by traditional news organizations who have chosen instead to become click-bait.

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"Vance Callender, special agent in charge of the Detroit office of ICE's Homeland Security Investigations [[HSI), said in a statement to the Free Press that “HSI special agents, as part of this undercover operation, made it abundantly clear in their interactions with potential University of Farmington enrollees that the school did not offer academic or vocational programs of any kind. The individuals who enrolled in the University of Farmington did so intentionally."

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Makes it abundantly clear that it was intended to be fraud from the beginning and that the government took money with no intent to provide services.

I say again, every single Government employee involved needs to be removed from service and lose their pension.

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Originally Posted by Meddle

Makes it abundantly clear that it was intended to be fraud from the beginning and that the government took money with no intent to provide services.

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Applying this logic would add an interested twist to those cases where police officers go undercover in prostitution stings. :cool: