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According to Detroit News:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ms/1247778001/
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy and full recovery.
Yikes, good thing he's okay. How likely is another stroke to happen?
Also I'm reading that strokes can happen to anybody at any time and that 80% of them are preventable.
wait, so he suffered "symptoms? so not an actual stroke?
Hoping for him to get back on his feet quickly.
Prayers for a speedy and full recovery and restoration to his loved ones.
We lose loved ones very suddenly to strokes and stroke-like syndromes sometimes.
Will add the quasi-editorial remark that it's good that he will be able to pay for any and all treatments he may require - it won't be a concern -and it's good that he is well networked and so will probably have the very best specialist care.
I hope his speedy recovery and that this is short-lived, even a false alarm.
My late friend WC3 used to quip that the City of Detroit should take out a ten billion dollar insurance policy on Dan Gilbert. Scares like this add some wisdom to that jest.
Medical people are saying this is definitely a mini stroke [[symptoms resolving in 24 hours) since if it were bad he would be given medication and put in an ICU.
Maybe this is good? A wake up call to be more aware of health.
As a side note, Dan serves on the Boards of both the Cleveland Clinic and Children's Tumor Foundation [[due to his son's illness). Where does he find the time?
My prayers went out for a speedy recovery. He's has a lot on his plate taking on so many projects singlehanded.
The synonym FAST is used to determine the warning signs of a stroke. FACE- ask the person to smile or does one side of the face droop? ARMS- person to raise both arms, does one droop down, SPEECH- can one repeat a simple phrase? is the speech slurred? TIME- if you observe any of these symptoms, call 911.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Good info, thanks for sharing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
This makes my head swim......I cannot even fathom the demise or incapacitation of Mr. Gilbert, in regards to the city.
That is very unfortunate. Thoughts and prayers...
A man's story who had a stroke at 14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A91kqrcs9s
Glad we have one of the country's most highly capable hospitals for strokes [[Beaumont Royal Oak) here in Detroit. I know where I'm going if I ever catch somebody with symptoms.
This is almost verbatim what I said on Reddit, but yes that is a good sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Could be a wake up call, he definitely is a workaholic, and may have ignored his health.
He's fine yall, it was a mini stroke https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...y-after-stroke
and yes I lurk the reddit sub, that's where I got the info.
It was not a mini-stroke. They do not call a stroke "mini" unless it's an iscemic attack. This sounds more serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
The procedure they used is specifically for acute ischemic stroke
which includes a mini stroke, I guess we don't know 100% yet but that's what it sounds like, especially if he's responsive immediately.
Unfortunately we were wrong, and that is journalism at it's best [[or worst) by describing his recovery as "comfortable," ultimately deceiving us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
The new freep article confirms that he had catheter directed tpa [[clot busting medication) and probable embolectomy:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ed/1255404001/
The fact that he had these procedures done means he had significant deficits [[i.e., not being able to speak at all, significant weakness, etc), and found a clot big enough to treat on imaging [[At Beaumont they do what is called a CT perfusion scan to assess for large blot clots). With this knowledge it means that he definitely did not have a mini stroke [[TIA, or transient ischemic attack).
The patient would only receive these type of procedures if they saw a large enough clot to treat. Recovery is not "comfortable," you have have a special IV placed in your radial artery, placed on IV blood pressure medication, frequent neuro checks and lab draws, etc.
I am glad they treated him aggressively, I hope he has a full recovery and continues to do business in Detroit.
All we know is the official statement says they used a catheter-based procedure which is also used for mini strokes. has nothing to do with journalism. Drugs are used for mini strokes too.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...t/drc-20355684Quote:
- Arteriography. This procedure gives a view of arteries in your brain not normally seen in X-ray imaging. A radiologist inserts a thin, flexible tube [[catheter) through a small incision, usually in your groin.
The catheter is manipulated through your major arteries and into your carotid or vertebral artery. Then the radiologist injects a dye through the catheter to provide X-ray images of the arteries in your brain. This procedure may be used in selected cases.
He's comfortable currently which mean's he's probably no longer in ICU.
I think the most important thing is that no time was wasted, he was literally at the hospital before anything happened.
I am not here to argue, but I want to point out that this is incorrect. Thrombolytic medication in general is something that should NOT be used for TIAs. By definition, a TIA is stroke like symptoms that resolve in 24 hours, but generally do not cause significant neuro deficits [[As it is a transient decrease in blood flow of small vessels as opposed to a large vessel). In addition, when neuro deficits are not very significant [[Based on the NIH stroke scale), thrombolytic medication is not indicated:Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
https://www.mdcalc.com/nih-stroke-scale-score-nihss
So, either someone comes in to the emergency department with significant neuro deficits in the appropriate window for systemic tpa [[3-4.5 hours). Or, if someone is presenting past this window they are candidates for catheter directed tpa or thrombectomy.
They didn't give us all the information, I am saying possible thrombectomy [[I misspoke in my initial post) because interventional radiology will mechanically remove these clots:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5091327/
So since we were not given all the information, it is very possible that he received both catheter directed tpa +/- thrombectomy.
And the way they described his hospitalization in the first article has everything to do with journalism. These are not benign procedures, and his hospitalization was framed in a way that would suggest otherwise.
It was an official statement that said he was resting comfortably and it's been said twice now.. officially, journalists did not come up with it. However it was framed is entirely on his party.
I think we can agree that this was an ischemic stroke since a thrombectomy was used with the catheter. How severe it was is just conjecture. Whatever it was it's removed now and he's okay.
Well if he's a workaholic... Gilbert needs to make some life altering changes. My uncle was a business owner workaholic as well... and died at 53 of a stroke. This should be not only a wakeup call to Gilbert, but also a cultural change at his company. I just read thru reviews of Quicken Loans employees... common thread... "horrific work/life balance, overworked." :[[
I'm just here for the guy with google skills arguing medicine with a DO,
That is absolutely true. They recruit many right out of college and entice them with a "hip" work environment and free snack/coffee bars, fitness center, etc. They are working upwards of 60/70 hours a week. Not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
You never want to use the term "lucky" when someone has a serious medical event, but he was fortunate that his friend got him to the hospital at the onset of symptoms and the actual stroke occurred there. Every second counts in minimizing permanent damage and even an extra 15 minutes before treatment normally results in such.
Here is the official statement. The stroke-like symptoms became an actual stroke luckily, if that can be used, after he was in the hospital.
Dan Gilbert, founder and chairman of Quicken Loans Inc., is "awake, responsive and resting comfortably" after suffering a stroke Sunday, according to a statement Monday night from Quicken Loans CEO Jay Farner.
"Dan Gilbert and his family are grateful for the outpouring of support following the news of his hospitalization early Sunday. ...," the emailed statement said.
"Dan was not feeling well Sunday morning so he was taken to the hospital by a family friend. While under care at the hospital, he suffered a stroke and was immediately taken in for a catheter-based procedure, then moved to recovery in the Intensive Care Unit.
"Dan is awake, responsive and resting comfortably. Dan and his family are immensely grateful to the doctors and nurses whose early intervention is already paying dividends toward his recovery.
"We will update the public as additional details become known. Thanks to the strong culture and leadership Dan has built and grown, business at the Rock Family of Companies will continue under the normal, everyday direction of their respective CEOs.
"Our collective thoughts and prayers remain with Dan for a speedy recovery."
https://www.crainsdetroit.com/news/d...ency-procedure
Thanx for copying and pasting the article. We should take up a collection and send him some flowers. [[I'm serious)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
Better yet, a donation to The Gilbert Family Foundation in the name of Detroityes and its members who appreciate all he has done for the city:Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
https://www.gilbertfamilyfoundation.org/
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Originally Posted by 401don
Good call.
I second this, definitely a good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
I've got $20 burning a hole in my pocket. We'll give Lowell some time to see what he thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by p1acebo
I feel for this man and his family. Having a stroke anywhere is bad news. Hopefully the media and the city of Detroit will give Dan Gilbert the time needed to recuperate.
I wish Mr. Gilbert a complete recovery for his and his family’s sake.
The folks in charge behind him at his company’s need to step up and let him take all the time off he needs to follow his doctors orders and get well.
I support this and will donate too. A get well card with a donation to his foundation would be a nice gesture from those of this forum who appreciate all he has come to mean for Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
Thanks Lowell. I can't remember how you've done donations in the past. What's the easiest way to do this, individually or as a group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
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Originally Posted by Lowell
Question: How is this going to be handled, Lowell? Are we sending money to DY, and then you're going to make one contribution on behalf of DY? Are you going to pass the card around so we can sign it? Thanx.
I would suggest we create a separate thread so the forum knows about it. In past gestures, like the itsJeff memorial and the Darryl Banks grave marker on SoulfulDetroit, collection was done through the AtDetroit PayPal portal and can be done in this instance. [AtDetroit, LLC is the parent company of DetroitYES and SoulfulDetroit.]Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
As for a card, passing one around would take forever and many members are not local. We could chose a card then print an attached letter saying something like ‘Get well and and thank you from the members of DetroitYES’, followed by a one sentence thank you from each donor, something like “Thank you for saving the beautiful Stott Building.” Etc. followed by their forum name. It could wrapped around a check for the total collection. Individual donation amounts would not be listed.
For transparency, I have to insist that the individual donation amounts be shared with the other donors only, but not the general forum or public, so that it will be absolutely clear to all who donate that the amount collected is the amount sent. Only forum names would be used throughout to insure privacy. A redacted picture of the check [to hide account number], the card and letter would be posted on the thread.
Thoughts?
Sounds perfect. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
I don't need a copy of the check, or even the amount posted, Lowell. I trust you to do the right thing. Passing the card around was a little joke. [[very little it seems) I'm good with the rest. Who wants to create the @Detroit portal and thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
One of the CEOs said Gilbert was talking and understood the conversation so it seems like he's mentally normal.
Unfortunately it doesn't appear he has the function of verbal speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
"he knew I was there. He knew what I was talking about."
https://www.freep.com/story/money/20...th/1274461001/
Haha, well everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would definitely want to prevent misinformation on a subject I am very familiar with.Quote:
Originally Posted by archfan
Also, did 313WX delete his/her posts or just block me?
His posts are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by p1acebo
Yep, sounds like he’s nonverbal 😕
I feel the same way. To use statements like "mentally normal", although not intended as such, is inappropriate at best. I found the statements from Gilbert's business partners have confirmed the seriousness of his stroke. Unfortunately, as we get older we all get more familiar than we would like with stroke, heart attack and other illnesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by p1acebo
Please note that a new thread Thanks And Get Well Card For Dan Gilbert has been established per the above suggestions of 401don and Honky Tonk.
On the positive side Crains reports that "Dan Gilbert's team says that although his recovery from a May 26 stroke "will take time," he is joking with hospital staff as that takes place."
sounds like he's verbal to me. sorry haters. you lose again.
Thank you for setting this up Lowell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
Who is hating? I hope this isn't directed to me, although in general I don't think anyone was "hating" on this thread. It still remains that Dan suffered more than a minor stroke [[Which I think was the point that was made), and still likely has a long road to complete recovery. I am definitely glad to hear he is making progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Yeah, probably you... but not because you said anything wrong... just because you called him out for his lack of medical knowledge [[he ain't no doctor). He has a hissy almost everywhere he posts if someone disagrees with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by p1acebo
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Originally Posted by p1acebo
"IF" it is directed @ you, don't let it rattle you. It's just a diversion tactic to draw attention from ones own inadequacies by trying to turn it into a "hate Gilbert" thing.
No not you. our Atlantean friends mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by p1acebo
Almost 300 views of the Get Well Thread but only 6 people have taken 2 minutes to send get well wishes? I expected more from DYes members. Reminder: You don't have to donate to send a message. I imagine Dan Gilbert is familiar with this website so let's do a little better.
Well Dan Gilbert will likely be out of commission for some time... it was a serious stroke. Thanks P1acebo for you sharing your knowledge of these things.
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Originally Posted by 401don
Yeah, no shit. How disappointing...
Of course! I think it is important to stop the spread of misinformation and provide insight if one can. I also enjoy being part of this community and learning from what others have provided in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Dan Gilbert leaving hospital for intensive rehab.... code words for he's going into a nursing rehab center to likely get physical/occupational therapy. This stroke was serious... and his road to recovery will likely take a while.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/20...csp=chromepush
Now that it’s apparent that Gilbert unfortunately suffered a pretty serious stroke, isn’t it time to discuss the 800 lb gorilla in the room? https://www.detroitnews.com/story/op...le/1249356001/
Thoughts on what is ahead?
I don't think it's that big of a deal in that it wasn't Gilbert making every last decision. He built a great team if individuals that were good at what they do and could help realize his goals and I don think anyone is thinking Detroit is out of the clearing yet either.
Also Nolan Finley is a hack...
I think the article is fair and states the obvious. While Gilbert's illness should have little impact on major projects well under way, it will have tremendous impact, particularly as he moves further into the neighborhoods, if he's unable to resume full-time duties in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seven&wyo
It's unusual to have a company the size of Quicken, along with Bedrock, to be privately held. Add in another 80 plus companies and to say there's a lot on his plate is an understatement.
Why are you unearthing a month old article that was already discussed to death?
Gilbert will make a full recovery as do most stroke victims who get immediate treatment. he was at the hospital before it even happened.
Are you feeling a little guilty over some of your comments earlier in this thread that presumed you have medical knowledge [[copy/pasting from Reddit is not medical knowledge)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Haven't you paid attention to some other 5-10 year old threads that were resurrected in the last week?
I reposted on this thread [[sheesh.. as though an 11 day posting gap is anywhere near "unearthing") because Gilbert is in much more serious condition than you initially claimed [[and seem to still presume)... and the thread is evolving into a serious discussion about what if he were no longer with us, which would be devastating for Detroit.
So stop telling others what they should or should not do.... :[[
Why would I feel guilty about anything? Everybody speculated based on the scant amount of information. You still don't really know shit and continue to speculate.
It's common knowledge that the result of stroke care depends mostly on if acted on quickly enough, don't need a medical degree to know this. We also know for a fact he got immediate attention.
A serious discussion about pure fantasy. Which is completely off topic for this thread anyway. Instead you can bug off. :cool:
The only fantasy here is that you think you can guide discussions on DYES forums. I've been on this forum for 20 years... many have tried to manipulate discussions... all have failed... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Like old folks always say, some day you'll understand.
Like youngsters always until then, waah waaah waaah FU!
[[Only those without a good upbringing include the FU.)
What does this have to do with anything I said? What a lame response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Gilbert's a multi billionaire with access to the best healthcare humanity has to offer and was receiving care before anything happened. He's cracking jokes in the hospital... he's fine folks.
But the real question is when is Patterson dying and how much better will we be without him? Eagerly anticipating his death announcement hopefully next month.
Some great news here
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Tom Withers ✔ @twithersAP
#Cavs general manager Koby Altman said he spoke with owner Dan Gilbert today. Saw him for the first time since stroke and said his "mind is still intact and he still sounded like Dan."
https://cavaliersnation.com/2019/06/...-since-stroke/Quote:
“For the first time in a couple weeks I was able to talk to him,” Altman said. “He looks great, he’s doing really well. We got to talk to him about our vision and plan, none of which has changed much. That was really, really positive and exciting, sort of gave us more of a jolt of energy and goodwill.”
Pure class..... KARMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
^^^ Yes, an ugly, classless comment. Especially considering how no one gets out of life alive. Politics aside...
Karma? I'm not dying of panc cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Save it. I'm sick of old timers acting all shook over the relishing of brooksy's just deserts. clutch your pearls somewhere else. He's only dying painfully due to his own stubborn bigoted ways and still refuses to resign despite being more than half dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
^^^ Hey, you've got it really twisted if you think I'm a Patterson fan.
I don't even live in Oakland county, nor an 'old timer', nor clutching, but what good does it do to count the days down to his painful death?
What does it do for you personally? A great deal, apparently.
Hey, as I've heard quoted: 'You know how you came in, you don't know precisely how you're going out!' None of us do......
Sadly we see the rain fall on the just and the unjust.
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Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Zacha341 don't waste your breath... we've got a lot of great new people on this forum... the law of averages had to kick in sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
If you get annoyed... just say "that's nice". :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luzmz9lUeiM
Duly noted G. Thank ya' for the reminder... fun vid too. Just do 'nice' indeed!
Strokes are odd ducks. They can do almost nothing other than some short term confusion as in my neighbor's recent case, up to the unfortunate case with Jazz violinist Noel Pointer who was suddenly fatally stricken at the very young age of 39.
By all means please block me. I would love to not have to deal with your irritating replies. Apparently I committed a cardinal sin by stating what I thought about Gilbert's condition. And it's totally fine to super seriously discuss scenarios in which Gilbert is dead but you draw the line at racist brooks patterson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
For sure. There's more info on early and other signs:
Learn More Stroke Warning Signs and Symptoms
https://www.strokeassociation.org/en...s-and-symptoms
Primary Symptoms Include:
- Vertigo, like the room, is spinning.
- Imbalance
- One-sided arm or leg weakness.
- Slurred speech or dysarthria
- Double vision or other vision problems
- A headache
- Nausea and or vomiting
Secondary:
- Sudden NUMBNESS or weakness of face, arm, or leg, especially on one side of the body.
- Sudden CONFUSION, trouble speaking or understanding speech.
- Sudden TROUBLE SEEING in one or both eyes.
- Sudden TROUBLE WALKING, dizziness, loss of balance or coordination.
- Sudden SEVERE HEADACHE with no known cause.
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Originally Posted by Meddle
Yeah but.... some of your comments on this furum are totally unfiltered. Is there freedom of speech here, yes... to a point. I won't block you [[never have blocked anyone in 20 years here). On occasion you just need to...Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Returning to the discussion, I heard through the grapevine today that the Monroe Block development is on indefinite hold pending resolution of DG’s condition. Anyone hearing anything different, similar or is there radio silence?
It was on hold before anything happened to him. There was a whole article on this.
The grapevine I heard it through was a month old Crain's article. :rolleyes:
Seriously, clearly I missed that news.
Today I heard through another grapevine that he is planning on making a appearance at The Rocket Mortgage Classic this week. There will be a lot of rumors until he appears and speaks in public is my prediction.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7miledog
After spending three months in Chicago, Gilbert has returned to his Detroit-area home.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...llowing-stroke
speedy recovery.
On a side note- just curious-- why the choice to convey him to Chicago? What metro Detroit hospitals would have stroke-recovery specialty facilities?
Just speculation, but I would imagine the relative anonymity for Dan Gilbert in Chicago would be more comfortable than Detroit where he is the most famous businessman in town. I am sure the Chicago media paid much less, if any attention at all to Gilbert being in their local hospital. If he was somewhere like Beaumont, you would see stuff like "coming up at 6 we will show you how Dan Gilbert spent his Wednesday eating carrots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
My best guess is that when you're a billionaire you go to where ever is the absolute best facility, and that happened to be in Chicago. The added privacy was probably a bonus too.
He was at Shirley Ryan Rehab which is the most advanced rehab center in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitSoldier
Do they accept medicare?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago48
Moreso than the Grand Boulevard Mt. Zion Crack & Rehab Center? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago48
Dan Gilbert spotted at menorah lighting ceremony in Detroit
Spotted but little more reported. Encouraging news nonetheless.
https://deadlinedetroit.com/articles...wntown_detroit