https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/2231286001/
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Then there are these deaths and injuries too:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...?noredirect=on
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ded-his-mouth/
When I ended traditional tobacco and paper smoking [[cigarettes) I thought about vaping as a transition. Glad I did not bother.
Instead I quit cold turkey which was tough at points.
I quit 22 yrs ago having tried patches, pills, etc and ending up having to go cold turkey for it to take also. Congrats on quitting.Quote:
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Two of the toughest things I've done is learn to ski and quit smoking cigarettes. I also had to quit drinking @ the time because most of my social life then was spent in bars, and the two went hand in hand. Never had the urge to try vaping. It seems like the addiction of choice for the younger crowd. Had a conversation with a young man yesterday who told me about the latest trend to remake and "supercharge" vape devices.
^^^ Yeah I was a low two ciggs a day smoker so rationalized it for a long time. Did not want anymore nicotine so patches were out and for sure vaping.
I would imagine if the vape device is not kept clean it can harbor germs that get into the lungs, in addition to the stuff vaped? Is that so?
Yes, and more doctors will ask you to quit if you are having an elective surgery. Especially ortho or complex surgeries where you're going to be under a long time. Nicotine slows healing overall.
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Yeah the second link sites vape use to help quitting cigarettes. I tried a puff on one once! Did not like it at all, but did remark the great amount of smoke generated compared to cigs. I guess that's one of the draws of vaping - especially among younger users!
'Vape Tricks' [[disregard music). Looks like health is going up in smoke too!
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Between that and the exploding ones burning people,I think it is safer to just keep smoking,the life span of useing these so far seems to be pretty short term.
They do not really say if these people had existing or unknown prior health problems that were esaperated by the use.
Uh, oh! Trump wants to ban vaping. On your mark, get ready, about-face:
Vaping is NOW good 'cause dump-Trump says no!
Our governor says nix vaping too!
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits...vored-vape-ban
Kaboom! I wonder if now different brands review lower in the face of all of this?
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It is kinda weird how this whole thing is playing out,CDC says no definitive cause but everybody points to black market THC.
They just did a big bust of fake vape viles that were injected with THC.
Even weirder with 9 possible relatable deaths it is a crises,but when 15 teenagers died every day from distracted driving it was no big deal.
Quite a few died on vacation in the islands from blackmarket liquor,I wonder if the whole blackmarket THC direction is for a reason.
THC is THC it does not know if it is blackmarket or not.
Well, this study points to black market THC.Quote:
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1911614
The working theory is that it's a chemical [[a vitamin-E derivative) added to THC capsules that helps them maintain the correct viscosity, as apparently you can't just vape THC oil directly.Quote:
THC is THC it does not know if it is blackmarket or not.
Quite honestly, anything you suck into your lungs is bad for them. That includes pot, tobacco, wheat dust, coal dust, etc etc, etc. Lungs are meant for air.
It should be noted that there are legitimate medical therapies that use vaporizing safely and effectively. One I have witnessed personally is for serious congestion and involves a mask that delivers a vaporized expectorant to the respiratory system. It works within a minute.
I should have added that there are asthma and bronchial treatments that are good and plain warm or cool water mist is good for breathing. Those things generally don't contain waxes, tars or sharp particles.Quote:
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being out of it for many years I kinda harken back to the hash oil days as a comparison,I think we found better and safer ways of vaporizing it then what seems to be the method of today.Quote:
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Like DUH. I had to set that in my mind beyond rationalization to help me ditch cigarettes. It seems harmless one can argue as you're not struck dead in the activity of smoking but the cumulative damage to the lungs.
Horrid... and suffocating to death from end-stage lung disease is very tragic.
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What is the recommended sterilization process for the pens? They seem like bacterial breeding grounds.
Lol you actually think somebody is going to follow that sterilization process?
The guys they busted had 30,000 refills ready for distribution,the whole set up reminds me of the gin in the bath tub days.
Single use cigarettes are more sanitary.
Only somebody who wants to live.Quote:
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CPAP machines breed bacterial! So not unreasonable that those pens would be germy-groady after a point.
There's a new sterilization for the CPAP's where you can sanitize the mask and the tubing.
Maybe put the pens in there over-night!? Hah!
https://www.cpapdirect.com/cleaning/...iAAEgIwY_D_BwE
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I will have to check the sanitary condition of my cpap thingy,is that another vape thing?
^^^ A friend wears a CPAP and just normal use breeds a level of bacteria that can cause respiratory issues.
The new cleaner works better than soap and water per that link.
^ I was being smart aleck lol
The one that seems worse is where they use the water thing up the nose to flush out the sinuses.
Neti pot lavage. It needs to be done with distilled water or saline, but yeah it's nasty.
Yep, that's where I was going. People die from pneumonia caused by not properly sanitizing their CPAP. It made me wonder if bacterial growth is an issue in the vape pen.Quote:
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They STILL haven't narrowed the source down. It would not surprise me if it was black market freebased marijuana or tobacco juice that is to blame. It is the cheapest and fastest way to extract the THC or nicotine. It uses things like butane or diammonium phosphate. This also makes the nicotine or THC more easily absorbed.
It must be a pleasant way to exit life this vape pen business blowing up your mouth. I mean, what other subst-o-tute for your mother's tit will they come up with next?
They do not have tide pods up in Canuck land?Quote:
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Yes, but are they laced with nicotine in the US?
Dang this is tight! And at one point when I was quitting ciggarettes I thought of transitioning to Juul brand vapes. So glad I just quit all the inhalants period!
Juul CEO resigns - Company suspends advertising as crisis continues
Today is the day. Michigan the first to ban flavored vape...
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...es/2424516001/
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I know folk who are putting down the vapes and picking up cigarettes again.
Makes me glad I did not give up cigarettes for vaping,I probably would have been dead already.
This is a taste of the new green deal,create an industry based on something that is supposed to be better for you,only to discover it is not after it is to late.
California is opening pot smoking restaurants,have a seat order your bud along with your dinner and you can smoke it at the table before you eat.
As a smoker I should file a suit against them,you can smoke weed in a public place but get arrested if you smoke a cigarette in a public space.
^^^ LOL! Nope no cigarettes on earth. But weed gets a pass [[priority). Figures. I'm not sitting down to any meal inhaling weed or tobacco. Enjoy more healthy meals at home's the option if Cali is rolling like that. Hah.
I gave up smoking ciggs cold-turkey -- did not do the transition to vaping or nic patches as I was advised to use as a transition opt. It was tough. I burn incense from time to time when I miss the aesthetic of 'smoke' ...:cool:...
Food tastes better when you stop smoking! That's one of the bonuses!
^ you have never tasted my cooking,if you did you would go back to smoking.
It looks like they're banning just the flavorings and not the flavorless e-cigarettes themselves. Yet e-cigarettes work by vaporizing propylene glycol [[not the toxic antifreeze, ethylene glycol) and/or glycerin, which both have a sweet taste. So are they not flavorings too? :confused:
Nah, the price has gone up in the interim. No need whatsoever to go into RiteAid or Walgreens now! Well almost none!!
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^ I remember saying when they hit $1 per pack I was going to quit,when I was 15 it was a $1 for a pack on smokes and tank of gas in my motorcycle.
I bought 3 brand packs and 3 slices of pizza useing my 7-11 rewards for $16 the other day,but lots of places are $10 a pack,average here is $6 or $21 for 3 packs.Puts me at $160 a month.
Which is equal to a couple of hours run time on the boat lol
In the UK 1/2 packs are $15 or $30 a pack
It’s like anything else,they will not outlaw it,just sin tax it to the point it builds up a blackmarket demand.
I am like the other one when it comes to the whole,what is the point of banning flavored Vapes when the base is probably worse.
But they were going that route anyways because they said the flavors were to tempting for the children.
But weed gummy bears are okay.
^^^ Again weed gets a pass [[priority). For now...