GroundBreaking begins - sand, beach and umbrella chairs and a barge floating to serve food and drinks.
Atwater Beach, 2670 Atwater St., east of Chene Park
and along the Detroit River.
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GroundBreaking begins - sand, beach and umbrella chairs and a barge floating to serve food and drinks.
Atwater Beach, 2670 Atwater St., east of Chene Park
and along the Detroit River.
The bridge had already been completed that connect Cheney Park to the East River walk but no one is allow to ride in it until August of next year. That was I was told by an insider
The river walk has been a great success, and happy for another addition to hopefully improve it even more...
But, has anyone involved with the design considered that the barge is going to basically serve as a giant “walk through” for the walkers, bikers, runners, etc. using the river walk?
These renderings show the “river trail” making a giant U coming away from the river to go around the small lagoon. But the simple fact is that people are going to want to walk/bike/run the straightest path, which is right across the proposed barge. People aren’t going to chose to make the indentation unless they have to.
I donÂ’t know if that eas an oversight where a bunch of planners and landscape architects designed this thing without consulting an engineer, but even to the untrained eye it should be fairly obvious what will happen.
Its also too bad there wont be any water access-I know there are currents but if they could have roped/barrier walled it somehow it woulda been cool. Can't wait to check it out!
Here's what the walk over look
Attachment 36425this is what the over walkway look today. I think that it could be used instead of it not being used until next August
True, but I think with the design that won the West Riverfront update that includes a beach, they probably figured that would suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
Is that Belle Isle beach popular for swimming? I would imagine that river swimming, with currents and muddy bottom, would be less than ideal, especially in a part of the country that isn't exactly lacking in good swimming lakes.
Yes, the beach is packed and lots of people are swimming. Current isn't too bad if you stay inside the buoys and the bottom is surprisingly sandy at wading depths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bham1982
When I hear people say that the current in the Detroit River is so strong that you can't swim in certain areas, then why is it that you can swim on Belle Isle? The area along Atwater, just east of the "hill', which has a canal, could be expanded to include a "real" beach. Remove the hill to expand the canal with more water and grade it so that you could go from the beach area into the water from a shallow grade to a deep grade and you would have a "real" beach.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeM
The location of this Atwater Beach if fraught with some issues. First of all, it's not a real beach. Secondly, the hill and trees that create the border for Chene Park will block most of the afternoon sun from beach goers. If you can't swim at a beach and can't get good sun for sun tanning most of the time there, then why bother to go? And finally, where are people going to park? Most people who come to a beach have a need to bring picnic items as well as beach wear. There's no parking on the street in that area and the lot to the east is a private lot. Are folks gonna park at Rivard Plaza and walk the three to four blocks with their picnic and beach gear? Again, it would have been better to have the beach closer to Rivard Plaza and have a "real" beach.
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Originally Posted by royce
Just curious, with all the bike lanes, and walk ability, why the hell can't people just go to Belle Isle and swim? Why does everyone have to have everything catered to their doorstep? Why does everything have to be remodified to suit this generation?
Well, Honky Tonk, I think Atwater Beach is an excuse to get people together but not necessarily "real" beach people. I think the Riverfront Conservancy saw the success of the Campus Martius beach and are trying to duplicate it on land that was originally meant for private apartments and/or condos. I'm not convinced that putting that land into the conservancy's hands was the best use of the property. A residential building on that small piece of land would not have taken anything away from access to the river front. Since that's no longer going to happen, I'm still waiting to see when the conservancy is going to put in basketball courts and tennis courts into the state park.
River current varies widely along the river. it is not the same everywhere along the river. Belle Isle beach is in a slight bay protected from the main river current. The current is fastest along north/west side of the river as it curves south along downtown.Quote:
Originally Posted by royce
Thanks, ndavies, for clarifying that.
Kayakers often learn the current lesson the hard way when they attempt to circumnavigate Belle Isle or Grosse Isle. For those inexperienced newbies it can make them feel like they are standing still as they thrash/splash spasmodically to make headway back to their starting point. Kayaking is a skill, paddling is not inherent in peoples DNA. Almost no one paddles correctly, without instruction, coaching, and observation.
Any updates on this? Completion date? I’m gonna be down for the weekend during the Grand Prix and would be nice if it was open or close to it!
There is nowhere along the banks of the Detroit River that a true beach can be built, except as an inlet... as is planned on the west riverfront. The water depth goes to 20ft very quickly.
There is one spot however where water depth can be as low as 3 ft. deep. And that is Scott Middle Ground... right out from Belle Isle Beach. The beach area there is shallow, but once you go out a ways... it suddenly drops off to 27ft. deep. Then it gets shallow very quickly at Scott Middle Ground... only 3 ft. deep in some places [[hazardous for boat traffic that is not careful). Then towards the land side of the river, the water depth goes back down to 25 ft., before it rises sharply at the rivers edge.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sc...!4d-82.9871404
Attached is a water depth map that shows the deep and shallow areas, and helps explain why the Detroit River currents can be so treacherous in some areas.
I bet that because the water goes shallow in that spot so quickly... that rip tide type conditions exist over Scott Middle Ground, with fast moving water.
Here's a never implemented plan about turning Scott Middle Ground into an island back in the 1920s... but was never implemented... which included rebuilding the new Belle Isle [[MacArthur) Bridge there...
https://www.metrotimes.com/the-scene...that-never-was
I bet having large cement slabs all around the other areas of Belle Isle waterfront serves 2 purposes... 1) to prevent island erosion from the swift water, and 2) if you injure yourself because you loose your footing on those coarse jagged cement blocks... it's preferable to landing in the water and likely drowning from the swift current.
Talk about a dark comment.. You alright Gistok this late at night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
I was amazed at the minutia of Detroit history. Thanks Gistok.Quote:
Talk about a dark comment.. You alright Gistok this late at night?
And for my new desktop background. :cool:
Ha! Yes I am fine... working on a 9 volume LEGO book deal with China... so I am up late at night to coincide with China time. That and a little too much caffeine... and my imagination runs wild!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rbdetsport
I hope this is constructed soon. Detroit needs its own version of Chicago's beachfront areas.
It has been under construction for awhileQuote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
Looking forward to it. Kayaking season is quickly approaching
Hoping we have some sunny warm days in the near future to go exploring along the beach front
9 volume LEGO book deal with China? Super curious about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Opening in midsummer at a cost of $3.9 million, Atwater Beach will create a large sand-filled play area along with other amenities including a refreshment venue between Chene Park East and Stroh River Place. It replaces what had been initially picked for a new residential project but was converted to parkland at the request of residents. Atwater Beach is designed by Groundswell Design Group and Mannik and Smith architects.
^^^ is this the final design? where will people be allowed to enter?
It's a rendering, open to a 100 engineering changes , and funding flux.
Anyone have an update here?
Try Belle Isle, they're [[finally) open.
They're still cranking away on it. When I drove by earlier this week it looked like most of the work was focused on the structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by JTburner
I wished a the complete walkable part was open so that walkers, runners, and c cyclist could go from Chene Park to the part behind Strohs Riverplace uninterrupted
Atwater Park is getting ready to open according to this article by the Free Press' John Gallagher as the finishing touches are being applied. It certainly will be Another Big Step, as the article is titled.
The article touches on the disappointment that the east riverfront hasn't triggered more investment in terms of restaurants, pubs and residential development. Hopefully this addition will help trigger that movement.
Here are some pictures from Sunday 18 August 2019.
Panorama from the berm on the east side of the Aretha Franklin Amphitheater [fka Chene Park].
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Detail showing sand beach being spread. Once completed the park is essentially finished.
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Looking the other direction from the berm at the Aretha Franklin with the downtown skyline.
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This should greatly enliven this area. The Aretha was once an island, with weed-covered vacant lot on both sides. Now it abuts Atwater Park and Milliken State park, all linked by the Riverwalk.
Below the artist conception of Atwater Park.
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