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Great to see Detroit in the news with Tlaib's support of anti-semitic policies. But no need for culture war here. Wondering how her constituents feel about her 'local actions'. How's she doing supporting Detroit and her gerrymandered district. [[Its a great shape, no?)
Not seeing how speaking out against the violently oppressive state of Israel is a bad thing.
How is that the US continues to support them, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia among others who are known for human rights abuses?
The naivete just put forth is impressive. http://www.hvacproforums.com/styles/...lies/thumb.gif
I guess no Israeli restaurant for Detroit..
Opinions on her opinions are interesting of course -- at least they could be, but...
I'd like to hear how she's doing for her constituents in her district. Any local successes?
And for something closer to home.... she has called out the Ilitches for their taking tax dollars and then not following thru on their promises for District Detroit.
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Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
Her flip-flopping makes her come off flakey: First saying she would abide by Isreal's request of activity restriction, so as to see her grandmother. Once permission granted she declines.
Setting aside the Trump/ Israeli factor everyone country should have the right of which dignitary/ official that wish to allow.
In the mean time what has she done for her district right here?
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Originally Posted by Meddle
Trump is rightfully loving her. She's giving him lots of ammunition to paint her and her cohorts as the face of the Democratic party. To all of those voters liking his economic policies who are leaning away from him, he can say, "look they're just as crazy as me."
Wow! I had been thinking of starting a post exactly like this over the past couple days but didn't get around to doing it because I wanted to do the convoluted search functionality here to see if there had been any other threads focusing on Tlaib. Is she representing her district better than John Conyers? Has she done anything for Detroit beyond the grandstanding? [[I guess that's what everyone else is asking, too)
Google finds these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malcove Magnesia
I can't agree with your logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
Power in the House rests with the body, not the individual member. One crazy member of congress can do far less damage than an out of control pathological president.
In a study, Arab Americans living in Detroit were found to have values more similar to that of the Arab world than those of the general population living in Detroit, on average, being more closely aligned to the strong traditional values and survival values. This was less the case when participants were secular, or belonged to second and subsequent generations.[76]
Wesley, is it necessary to be such an asshole? Why don't you just come out and say what the hell you're insinuating.
"Anti-semitic" policies she has discussed are only so if you believe that any action that opposes the current brutal, racist, and repressive regime in Israel is necessarily "anti-semitic". If so, you are also lumping a lot of Jewish Americans into that group.
As for her district, she has been fighting several hard uphill battles for our city, against a senate and an administration that opposes everything about us, and she will be easily reelected here next year.
When I saw on the TV talking the way she is I wondered how did she win Conyers district. Doing a little research on the 13th district, ethnicity, candidates, circumstances and connections. She won the whole shebang in the Democratic Primary based on too many votes spread over a base. While her base voted all in.
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Along with just about everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Yep, and honestly the Illitch related problems are a local/state level issue. Whatever her opinion might be on them she's now our representative in Washington, not Lansing.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
Ah... but she's the only politician so far with enough backbone to call the Ilitches out... city and state government haven't said a word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
Besides, she didn't take office in Washington until Jan. 3, 2019. So she was a politician in Michigan when many of the backroom DDA and DEGC deals were made for the Ilitches to get taxpayer money. Having that done while she was in Michigan [[representing a district in Detroit) gives her every right to complain...
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Did anyone ever find out where her campaign funding came from? I remember she had raised 3 times the amount of the next highest candidate.
But she's not making things look good either. Good times from Michigan/ Detroit. Ugh...:[[...
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And to think all of these joyous choices resulting from Conyer's senior stepping down, without leaving an adequate successor!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
I was able to google up her campaign finance report, which has a handy "Compare to opposing candidates" button along the left column:
between 12/1/17 & 12/31/2018, Tlaib raised $1,666,003.30.
For a house seat.
The next highest amount for that district was $650,509 raised by William Wild. Brenda Jones raised $270,417.42.
I didn't dig too deeply but when I clicked on the "Browse Receipts" button, only 8 out of the first 100 contributions I saw were from Michigan.
Unless you are referring to the administration at the state level on the federal level Detroit is the very essence of MAGA and it started before the current president came into office.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsideAl
Rep. Tlaib has sponsored 7 bills, and one amendment since January. She has cosponsored 271 bills.
For comparison, here are numbers for some other freshmen in the 116th Congress:
- Michael Walz [[R-Florida) sponsored 3 and cosponsored 106
- Greg Pence [[R-Indiana) sponsored 5, cosponsored 52
- Cynthia Axne [[D-Iowa) sponsored 9, cosponsored 201
Based on this small sample, it seems like Rep. Tlaib has generated a typical amount of legislation for a freshman representative in the current Congress.
Are you defining 'anti-semitic' as 'opposing policies for the state of Israel"? That isn't the typical definition, so clearing that up would help us understand what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
Did you know that Tlaib is violating two state laws by pushing her agenda of BDS against Israel? Public Acts 526 and 527 of 2016,
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Originally Posted by EastsideAl
For instance?
She's trying to have a state building altered in Michigan?
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Beginning October 1, 2017, the department or a state agency may not enter into a contract with a person for the construction, alteration, or repair of a state building or other state property unless the contract includes a representation that the person is not currently engaged in, and an agreement that the person will not engage in, the boycott of a person based in or doing business with a strategic partner.
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I found an article discussing her time in office etc.:
Rep. Rashida Tlaib, Israel, and what her district wants
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Many constituents are proud of the work she is doing in Washington. Others don’t know who Ms. Tlaib is. Some, including diners at J’s Cafe, think her priorities are off. They say Rep. Rashida Tlaib is trying to expand the menu without mastering the basics. She’s trying to cook kung pao chicken, say the men at J’s, but she doesn’t know how to cook grits.
“I wish she was talking about the district she was elected to represent,” says Booker Fullilove, a retired police officer who comes to J’s every morning for an ice tea. “Poverty, crime, bringing money to Detroit: If you represent the 13th district, that’s what you should be thinking about.”
Sorry it was not allowing the edit function.
So basically what she is pushing for is a basic minimum monthly wage paid for by corporations,weather you work or not.
Two of her sponsored bills are impeach Trump and a tax levied on financial institutions in order to provide a $3000 tax credit that would be advailable on a monthly draw bases,weather you work or not,
No support when it comes to infrastructure or skills trading programs,mostly because if you are pushing to impeach the very person implementing them it does not make sense to support any thing that would actually have a direct impact.
[[b) “Boycott” means refusal to have dealings with, divest from, or otherwise engage with a person. Boycott does not include 1 or more of the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
[[i) A decision based on bona fide business or economic reasons.
[[ii) A boycott against a public entity of a foreign state when the boycott is applied in a nondiscriminatory manner.
Hah. Yeah I figured the impeachment bill fell in there someone per her comment to 'impeach the M***** F*****' quite early on!!
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Not talking about what she actually does. I'm talking about how Trump can sway votes by painting the Democrats to be scary, left wing nut jobs like her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby_
^ if the shoe fits.
Trump really does not need to paint her in any picture,her actions speak for themself.
She calls her grandmother her second mother and owes her “success” to her,but has not visited her since 2006.
Then she is confused as to why she is receiving kickback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
So much for gaining a little respect on the new job while you are getting established.
It reminds me of new hires that in the first day of thier job they set about telling everybody else how it is going to be,sometimes making yourself the center of attention is not the best way to go about things.
There's a fine line between 'bringing money and projects to your district' and what's more commonly labeled as Pork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
I think her agenda is bad for her district, but what does she have to do with finance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
Fortunately the right wing thought police didn’t make it illegal to advocate for boycotting the apartheid regime in South Africa as they have with the apartheid regime in Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
^^^ Everyone seems to pick their battles. Now it's her turn at bat. Got it.
In the meantime [[as I always say) how it is any of this advancing needs of Detroiter's? [[Priority wise).
She along with AOC are on the oversite committee,they can use that as a tool towards,if you do not bend to our requests we can always open an investigation on you,it may not go anywhere but maybe effective as a deterrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
Per the thinking the odious presence of Trump justifies ALL [[response, action, speech, advocacy, etc), which is just as scary as he is, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Richard
One just needs to look at how the majority dem inner cities are fairing with thier representatives that are looking out for thier interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
You would think that considering the common problems effecting every city as a whole and the amount of representatives that represent them,as a whole they should be able to move mountains.
That seems just a tad fascists! Someone should let antifa know...:rolleyes:......
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Originally Posted by Richard
I agree with Mr. Fullilove. I could care less about her global agenda and her efforts to impeach the current President. It also bothers me that most of her campaign money came from unknown, outside, sources, and a lot of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
I view it as installing a bunch of Hoover clones in levels of government that can be dangerous when it comes to establishing policies based on personal objectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
She is pushing for campaign disclosure laws,but yet chooses to remain exempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Rashida Tlaib withdraws support from proposed bill to save the Earth after she learns that’s where Israel is.
Ain't DAT the way of it? Always dictating to others while exempting themselves?
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Originally Posted by Richard
Which is precisely why I look both ways before crossing the street of politics as the wrangling continues!
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Do you know how immensely disgusting it is for our government to coerce companies into toeing the line in their support for a vile, nasty government?
Do you realize that she is Not violating those laws, which ban the state from doing business with companies boycotting a vile government? or did you just assume and not read?
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Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
This thread has nothing to do with Detroit and should be in the non-Detroit Issues section.
Yes, and fortunately Lyndon Johnson is long gone. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelby_
👍🏼 AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
^^^ Yep. Makes even more sense considering little is being done for Detroiter's [[her constituency) in this case!
My bad. Maybe I should have said she is encouraging other governments as well as our own, other business's as well as our own, other people as well as our own to BDS Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
Does that work?
I didn't know that our legislature passed it. It was a bi partisan effort.
She’s not just criticizing and attacking an oppressive or inhumane government, she wants every single man, woman, and child in Israel to no longer exist. Look at the map!
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Originally Posted by CassTechGrad
Do you realize there was no 'State of Israel' before a UN paper shuffle in the 1950s? I'd love to see that shuffle reversed.
And how long has this enmity between the two been going on? Ten years or more than a thousand if you back before 1950. Who can solve it?
What a bunch of camelcrap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
I shouldn't have tossed in 'anti-semitic'.Quote:
Originally Posted by archfan
No, I won't clear that up here. Hoping discussion focuses on Representative Tlaib's support of her local district vs. foreign policy.
Haven't read the whole thread yet, but calling out the Ilitches for misleading [[at best) on the sports facility and related is good for me to hear. That she's proposed a few more than average bills is also good news. [[But of course unless they are 'passable' bills, they might just be foreign policy aspirations in support of her myopic views on the Middle East.)
The wisdom or prudence of the conduct of the Palestinians and Israels isn't local politics. Let's leave it for another thread.
Tlaib is the representative of much of Detroit, so its completely relevant to Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
Of course there is a foreign policy issue that has brought Rep. Tlaib into focus lately. But agreed that many posts here don't even touch on local policy. Tossing out the baby with the bathwater isn't the right response, however. Some posts will always be off topic. [[And I regret that I even put a hint of politics in mine.). But do you really think its not appropriate to discuss Rep. Tlaib's representation?
The sons of Abraham and their mothers can't get along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Sort of like the sons of Adam. Cain slew Abel and Seth knew not why...
This might be opening a can of worms, but [[IMO) if we could remove the Vietnam conflict from history, LBJ would be remembered as one of our greatest presidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray1936
In my opinion, by singling out Tlaib, Trump shows he has no political acumen. No matter what he says about Tlaib, he has no chance of flipping the 13th. Additionally, by picking on a woman of middle eastern descent, he bolsters the claims of those who paint him as a misogynist and a racist. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
^ after restoring Mara largo back to it original design Trump did the one thing that the first gated community in America tried stopping for over 100 years.
He opened the doors to those who were African American,Jewish,women,openly gay and those not a part of the socially elite.
The one thing that people fail to understand is Trump only sees green from a buisness aspect,he really does not care what color you are or what gender.
It stands to reason that the better the country does the better his companies do,it would not bode well to remove those who are a part of that equation.
People are going to believe what they choose to believe,there is nothing Trump can do to change that.
He comes from of a world of results count and everything else is BS.
He does have a habit of telling things like he sees it,some do not like that approach but the whole PC correctness was wearing a bit thin.
What surprises me the most was Detroit was know as a tough gritty city where people preferred to be told like it is,it seems to have changed a bit.
Talib sponsored a couple of good bills when it comes to predatory pay day loans,like hundreds before her,insurance credit rating use and maybe a couple of others,but when she tried sticking that whole guaranteed monthly check and taking a page out of Bernie’s book,people saw right through her.
She May be smart but she is the new kid in the block,last in line behind many that have been playing the game a lot longer then she has.
Some may prefer to say it is Trumps fault but she made her own bed by standing up a shouting look at me,she demanded attention,she got it alright.
I kinda lost respect for her when she stands up and uses the whole mother with children line,while shouting a obscene word towards the president of the United States,weather you agree with him or not,I have to wonder if as a mother with that mouth,does she say the same things in front of her children,which surly they have heard it by now.
Is that the best way to be the better person towards the one you supposedly cannot stand.
Is she not supposed to set an example of leadership without blaming everybody else?
She is not acting very lady like so she cannot really expect to be treated as such,besides these days it does not matter if she is a woman or not and should have no bearing on anything.
All things being equal right?
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Originally Posted by Richard
Meddle... you forgot unpaid debts and lawsuits.... oh wait... bankruptcies covers part of that.
Then there's the shroud of secrecy. Funny how he was goading Obama to show his birth certificate, when he [[under penalty of lawsuits) won't allow the showing his tax returns, school grades, etc....
Such transparency!! :o
Yep, which makes her even more martyred to the level she can say/ what she wants/ Trump reacts/ restart the machine/ re-wash/ rinse/ reset to 'larger' load. Yack-yak. We'll never be able sort out the light from the heat... truth from affirmation!
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Pfft..:D He can paint away. The picture he's created is that of a bully picking on a girl. His artistry has cost him the female demographic. Not a smart move considering we outnumber men an average 2 to 3 percentage points per state with only a few exceptions and we vote in greater number.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
This is just the beginning...
There is a new caucus in town.
A shift in focus for sure in the representation of the 13th Congressional District of Michigan.
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Originally Posted by CassTechGrad
whoever wrote that original blog post needs to learn how to spell Israel.
-- as a sidebar: there are black and Arab citizens of Israel. "wiping them all out" is a popular meme shared by outright terror groups [[Al Qaeda/ISIS) and narratives popularized by American evangelicals [[who are frequently monomaniacal about The Rapture) and those content with the post-1967 status quo.
A high volume of Americans in general would be hard pressed to even be knowledgeable about the history of "contemporary" Palestine [that is to say, events that have nothing to do with Biblical/Abrahamic literature] from the late 19th century forward. This demographic knows nothing about the ethnic migrations, the cooperative lifestyles, the colonialism, which all played a part in the evolution of the area.
Jimmy Carter's book Peace, Not Apartheid gives a very nuanced view of the conflict, but this book is scarcely known stateside, and the right-wing culture relentlessly mocks Carter as the super-liberal [[he was rather centrist) who lost to Reagan.
It is fair to disagree with Tlaib's positions, but absolutely unfair to call her anti-Semitic.
If she is anti-Semitic, Gideon Levy, author of this editorial published today in Haaretz [[Israel's longest published newspaper), must be too:
Tlaib and Omar Make Things Clear About South Africa’s Successor
U.S. lawmakers Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib helped reveal the truth about Israel to their country and the world
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.pre...ssor-1.7691994
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I don't see your analogy. Gideon Levy writes opinion pieces for the paper. [[right in his bio) so, that's his opinion. He's obviously found a niche market where he can get clicks and make money. Omar needs to dry her hair before going on camera.
Honky Tonk: Rep. Tlaib got endorsed by some nationwide progressive groups. That's where the "outside donations" came from. These are groups started after 2016 by Sanders supporters.
https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/rashida-tlaib/
https://www.justicedemocrats.com/candidates
Is that all you can come up with; that Levy is clickbaiting? If you find money is a dirty word, you must think your Chump pretty filthy. If you think Jews around the world are unanimously pro-Israel, you are seriously deluded, but then...Quote:
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Another true-d'oh! post. Your prime menstruator must have interviewed everyone in Israel personally, then reported back, eh? Thanx for insight on what makes the world go round.Quote:
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When I click on the first link, it immediately asks me for a donation for "Medicare For All". No information on how the group plans to achieve that or who the people behind this group are. Or, if the money is going where they say it is. Tlaib doesn't seem to be working anywhere near as hard for Medicare for All as she is for a Palestinian state. The second link shows me candidates, that if I donate to and vote for, will buck the system currently in place, and change the planet for the better. I'm already supporting Tlaib, the COD, and many others by my non-tax deductible tax contributions, and I am not getting a lot of campaign promises fulfilled. Basically, because the problem seems to be those elected need even more money to do that. I think I'm starting to see a pattern develop. If I were still 22 and idealistic, I would probably be more susceptible to "the cause". But old age has a way of grounding one in reality, and making one more cynical. That's why ads are aimed @ the young and naive.
There was nothing in his post in reference to Canadian politics nor our PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Why does your response include such a reference other than deflection?
Kindly answer his charge that you are deluded, by providing evidence in support of your position, or retract it, and apologize to the forum for once again posting misleading untruths.
When I click them it goes to profiles of the candidates.Quote:
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I was trying to edit my above post and it won't let me. I wanted to add.
I don't know why it didn't for you. It's unfortunate that campaigns cost money. I appreciate candidates taking donations from citizens instead of Goldman Sachs etc. I think that shows they want to work for the people. But I guess I'm just middle aged and naïve.
If every politician running for office that claimed to be there for the people actually did what they said in the last 50 years,we would not have the inner cities that we do.
In the case of Talib,$140,000 private donations verses $480,000 in corporation donations.
Which is the exact opposite of what it reads in her profile in the justicedemocrates link.
Insurance and medical companies are the largest donors.
Granted her platform is making corporations pay the way but how is it one uses that stance of working for the people against the injustices of the evil corporations while useing them to fund your platform?
She would not have been able to run a campaign without the corporation sponsor's and the corporations would not have handed her the knife to cut thier legs off if they believed that it was truly her intent to do so.
So believing true intent of a candidate comes into question.
They are just like everybody else with career goals,some will do and say anything including stepping on others in order to achieve that goal.
Tell me what you want to hear so I can capitalize on it and look like I am serving in your best interests.
The current president was not funded by a majority of corporations but yet seems to have little love on that aspect,so the concept of evil corporation funding is a no no seems to have little relevance.
A 2010 securities and exchange ruling bars financial institution executives from donating to presidential campaigns,Goldman Sachs actually sent an email to its employees telling them not to donate to the Trump/Pence campaign,but the employees still donated $3500.
What they did do for Hillary was pay her $280,000 for a speaking engagement.
Sometimes you have to hit the refresh button, and the captcha thing to make an edit. Not as much lately though.
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Right! It goes back wayyyyy far. The easy read garners the easy solution to a exceedingly difficult problem.
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Until the tables turn and they do according to need and agenda.
Thus, the division between women now in so vast in many areas. Made all the more ironic considering the quest that we all unite politically. Ain't gonna happen as all women don't think the same.
Who-da thought right??
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Hah! Jimmy Carter would be considered far-right just about now. Considering that even the centrist option is deemed extreme!
Same for the repubs, who think everyone liberal is completely off-kilter. Heck, traditional liberalism at least challenged non-sense freely allowed by the far left presently.
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That whole tear dropping aspect ranks right up there with children drinking out of toilets and sleeping in thier own feces at the border with emoticon driven politics.Quote:
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Some may view it as a sign of weakness if you cannot separate politics with personal emotions.
The whole war on drugs was based on emotionalism verses common sense,how many years later and it still creates havoc?
The war on drugs was started as a subterfuge to justify attacking Nixon's political enemies. John Ehrlichman admitted as much in Legalize It All:Quote:
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At the time, I was writing a book about the politics of drug prohibition. I started to ask Ehrlichman a series of earnest, wonky questions that he impatiently waved away. “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Where does Tlaib have residence in order to represent the Michigan US House 13th district? Not asking about her address, just the neighborhood she claims as her residence.
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