Michigan Primary Voting News / Results...
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ary-on-feb-27/
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates...oting-results/
Detroit border city Dearborn results coming in as well...
https://www.clickondetroit.com/decis...r-feb-27-2024/
Trump already won for the Republicans.
Biden already won for the Democrats.
There will be a Biden/Trump rematch. First time in U.S. history.
At least over 100,000 Arab Americans will uncommit for both of them. There goes the swing vote.
^ Haley threw a bit of WRENCH in it for Trump and an OFF switch for Biden.
Several Detroiter's I know voted republican first time in ages, or ever for Haley! Some straight Trump.
nothing like yelling - we have to protect democracy in America,while telling people to not vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
So they hold their vote,Trump wins and then they will spend the next 4 years whining about everything Trump every 5 minutes.
Actually, it is the second time. Grover Cleveland and Benjermin Harrison.
1884 - Cleveland
1888 - Harrison
1892 - Cleveland
I know Democrats who voted for Haley simply to give a vote to Trump's opposition. It was a planned attack, not a vote for the Republicn party. Just trying to promote the Orange man's opposition.
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Originally Posted by Zacha341
Ditto on knowing of those who did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
^ Indeed varied reasons and choices from voters across the city of Detroit and suburbs! Michigan may once again become a swing state.
The Milage passed for Henry Ford College, Dearborn! Woo-hoo :o
How did that work out? Seems like some are using devious methods in order to influence an election,then question why others question the validity of elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I cannot imagine spending the time and gas on a “planned attack “ that had no real purpose other than to have bragging rights of - yey we stuck it to the man - but not really.
I like some of Haley’s stuff but at the end of the day,she’s a woman,when was the last time we had a woman president?
The uncommitted factor was NOT negligible. It was high! If it continues or shifts it could hand Michigan to Trump in November. Biden knows this.
Further, if the migrant disaster [a disaster this admin FINALLY admits] erupts here in Detroit as in NYC, Chicago etc, some blacks in Detroit will quick-shift to uncommitted, or vote for Trump.
See youtube here [Michigan Uncommitted Vote Factors]:
https://youtu.be/EYjH2MbF8ng?si=kPdpTHC2g9ufyx8W
More good times here:
How some black US citizens are reacting in Chicago... [future Biden voters?]
That was a political manufactured crisis based on cause and effect,people did not want to send monies to other countries in support,so the politicians pandered to the people who did not understand foreign policy and the basic concept of help them on their soil or deal with them on ours.
So we saved $500 million and now it is costing us billions and a way to create more divisions. The role of The president is to bring people together,do not have to always agree with each other,just be able to find common ground.
What is happening now is not the current administrations fault 100%,ot started as soon as the funding was dropped,if people do not have food to eat,they are going to find it.
But this whole “uncommitted “ thing is another ploy by the progressive/socialist/commie party in order to continue to replace the Dem party.
If you do not use your voice and remain “uncommitted” which is also your right,you are not in a position to object to what comes next,because you have removed your voice and yourself from the democratic process.
It hurt the participants more than it did the target and because it was so easily traced it shows people will have no issues pulling shenanigans in order to alter the outcome of an election.
Damn that's not chauvinistic! Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir really sucked becaues they were women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Richard, you have to learn the difference between DEVIOUS and ILLEGAL. One can get you arrested, one can get you righteous indignation. :p
Well you will have to fill me in as to when they were presidents of the United States , or maybe my history is off and we have had several women presidents for which I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trumpeteer
I kinda figured since we were discussing Mrs Haley,whom I believe still identifies as a woman,who is campaigning for the office of presidency in the United States it would be common sense to figure I was referring to a woman,as in the biological sense,being president of the United States.
Like I posted and I could very well be wrong but as to my recollection there has never been a woman president in the United States,I guess that is my fault because I am chauvinistic and tasked with the sole responsibility of putting a woman in the White House as a president,that would be here in the United States.
No need to take a simple observation and twist it into something that it is not.
So what you are saying is if you put lipstick and a wig on a pig,it is no longer a pig?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Do you believe believe the actions discussed actually had any impact? The election stuff,not the putting of lipstick and a wig on a pig.
Perhaps this “clean-hands principle” can be generalized to explain why individual acts of ignorant, irrational, or malicious voting are wrong. The firing-squad example is somewhat analogous to voting in an election. Adding or subtracting a shooter to the firing squad makes no difference—the girl will die anyway. Similarly, with elections, individual votes make no difference. In both cases, the outcome is causally overdetermined. Still, the irresponsible voter is much like a person who volunteers to shoot in the firing squad. Her individual bad vote is of no consequence—just as an individual shot is of no consequence—but she is participating in a collectively harmful activity when she could easily keep her hands clean [[J. Brennan 2011a, 68–94).
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/voting/#MoraObliVote
You are supposed to be an educated type guy,one would figure you would understand the little things like moral and civic duties and how they apply.
Ditto... the words "sense" and "since", "accept" and "except" and their different meanings... are included in 'the little things'... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
What is the term for that response? I never claimed to be formally educated past the 10th grade,but I never stopped continuing to be educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Deflection - yea,that’s it.
片寄り
批判、非難、またはあなたに向けられた質問などを避けるためにあなたがすることや言うこと。
See now you can have your Japanese students educate you :rolleyes:
Told him that for years until I got sick of his eckscusces about it being unimportant because we "know what he means"Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
They were FEMALE leaders! Do you have an alias of CC Batson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Makes one wonder if he is on the "spectrum"... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
Are you that thick headed as long as you are going down that road - How many woman have been elected as the president of the UNITED STATES?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trumpeteer
It’s really not that complicated.
And you guys act like I am out there ? You cannot even answer a simple question without turning it into a circus,maybe that’s why you support wasting a commie/socialist vote,because you know it made no difference anyways other then the ability to pretend to yourself you made a difference when you did not.
Because somebody ordered you to - Sheep hearders gotta herd I guess.
Lego man is 3 posts in now while contributing zero to the discussion,expecting a trophy now?
The little commie/socialist’s sure are some persistent buggers.
The vote shift this primary may not just be based on those not happy with our involvement in Israel. Looking at where the Michigan [and Detroit] vote may be heading Opinion Editor Newsweek Batya Ungar-Sargon offers the following:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...test_vote.html
"Trump has picked up a lot of the policies that used to be Democrat policies in the 1990s, like controlling the border, for example. An open border with mass migration is extremely punishing to the working class and drives down their wages. It is class warfare against the working class."
More...
"And there's been this big realignment where working-class Americans are very much on the Trump train. People who used to be Democrats and used to vote for Democrats. Rather than admit that, this outrage that the Democrats lost the working class vote, and try to figure out how we can appeal to them, they are looking for excuses and other things to blame -- like this war in Gaza, or they're deplorable or racists.
Because they don't want to admit that Trump has picked up a lot of the policies that used to be Democrat policies in the 1990s, like controlling the border, for example. The idea is that an open border and mass migration is extremely punishing to the working class and drives down their wages. It is class warfare against the working class.
It is an upward transfer of wealth from the working class who end up competing with immigrants, to the elites who end up employing the. And now they can employ cheap immigrants instead of having to pay Americans a living wage."
Batya Ungar-Sargon
He was a Dem all his life until he ran under the Repub ticket for president,a lot of the policies he implemented were carried forward by the current administration.
When you look at conservative Dems and conservative Repubs,there is not this big huge divide which is why they were able to meet in the middle in the past,now there is s large influx of the more radical aspect trying to dominate both sides and it’s becoming a my way or the highway with no middle ground.
It’s like any other president,they try and implement 100 things,60% are crap policies,but it is that 40% that sticks which is what moves the country forward,it always has.
That whole border thing started the day the politicians pandered to the cry that we were spending to much on foreign aid instead of American citizens,but that was the choice we made,spend $500 million helping them in their country or billions when they come to ours,the crisis was not manufactured,it was cause and effect,people are driven by the need to eat and support their families.
What would happen in this country if all of the sudden the government shut off social benefits?
In the trades,illegal immigrants do not provide cheap labor,because they are the prevailing labor force they can demand the prevailing wage.
They are not stealing American jobs,because the Americans that used to fill those jobs,did not want them anymore,that was also cause and effect when the government told everybody we needed to switch to technology and train everybody on computers. Cause and effect
Anybody that employs anybody in the workforce knows very well how hard it is to find workers that are reliable and not messed up on drugs and alcohol.
The days of they are over here picking crops is long over,they are so embedded into the trades that you cannot realistically pull them out without a large economic crash,because there is nobody to replace them.
In the trades,any American that is not messed up on drugs can go get a good paying job,most that pay more then ones with a collage degree,any second in any day of the week,illegals or not.
Many Detroiter's voted for Biden originally believing he would lead as a moderate/ centrist dem [as he stated].
To the contrary he went far left [policies, priorities, crime etc].
Consequently Biden 'left' his centrist/ moderate voter base [which ain't all white MAGA as the mainstream media presents].
Some of the Detroit 2024 primary votes reveal this fact and outcome.
He done good on the global stage but as a president he is limited,the crime thing is local residents making bad decisions in local politics.
He was/is old school anybody that believed he was going to pander to the progressives is delusional,he cut his political teeth during the Cold War,last thing he is going to pander to is commies and socialism.
For the most part the City of Detroit has not seen even a small part of the chaos that is going on in other like minded cities,but that is down to the decision making at the local level. The people.
That’s why local politics have a greater impact on the residents.
You can elect Betty Boop for president and it would have little impact on the local level.