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My sister is at a wedding reception at the Atheneum and it all happened right across from their view. She said paramedics did CPR, stopped, loaded him up. Not looking good, he was totally limp and left a puddle behind :[[
Didn't that happen once before?
wow, too bad. If he did that after losing in the casino that will be bad press. That is awful to have your wedding ruined like that.
Yeah, this may be the 'deluxe' depressive mood gone to the edge after a time at a casino participating in 'gaming'...
Any news links on this? I see nothing so far.....
From 2009, but the referenced article is no longer on WDIV website.
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...eektown-Casino
Also found this on Topix from last June, but there is nothing about it on WWJ website.
http://www.topix.com/forum/detroit/TTU4U1E3E8FGG5OGC
Yes, the last person that did this was my former classmate. West Bloomfield High, class of 2000.
That's too sad. My wishes to the family.
I was riding my bike with my 16 year old daughter to the Detroit City Futbol game at about 6:30 pm today. We were right there when it happened. Did not actually see it but heard the guy hit the ground as we were riding by, heard the screams, looked to my right and we saw the guy in the street, blood running from his head. I'm praying he survived. My daughter said she saw his hand moving but it did not look good. The security guard, not sure if he was from the Atheneum or Greektown Casino, called it in immediately so I hope EMS showed up right away. There was nothing we could do.
An old friend's brother killed himself by jumping off the Greektown Garage off I-375 a couple of years ago. My guess is this happens all the time and the Casinos cover it up. Later I thought I wish I had called the press.
This needs to be exposed. I hate the casinos. Investigative reporters, there is story here. How many suicides right on the casino property, and what are they doing about it besides keeping it quiet? Only place you can hear about this news is Detroit Yes.
When I saw this initially the first thought was "damn." The second thought was an inappropriate comment regarding losing ones' shirt at a casino. I feel sorry for his family...
I'm no fan of the casinos, but where there's a will there's a way. I understand an older cousin of mine hitched a ride to Belle Isle in the 60's, then told the guy to stop in the middle of the bridge. "Stick around if you want to see something" were apparently his last words. They closed the observation deck at the Penobscot due to it's popularity for more than the view.
Speaking as a former gambler [[four years gambling free) I have seen some things - mostly people crying [[men and woman) on the elevators, in their cars out in the parking lot, after a 'fun' day at the casino. In the MGM lot saw a woman frantically snatch off her eye glasses, twist them into pieces, then jump in her car and drive off almost hitting a pylon.
The parking lots reveal alot as the light of day [[consequences) really hit when you leave a casino 'down' [[lost money there). You see folks driving wildly out a casino after loosing their money [[get out of the way or be mowed down). Simple fact of the matter is MOST people are loosing money at these stupid places.
There's a segment of gamblers who are doing so in secret which causes stress in the family, on their jobs if they are working etc. ETC. The mood overall at our casinos is pretty macabre... hardly festive. I'm not surprised the casinos do what they can to keep the negative things that happen on the low-low!
I am voting NO on any additional casinos or stand alone slot machines.
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Originally Posted by Gianni
The garage mentioned is not only for casino traffic. Lots of others park there. We had someone jump off our parking deck about ten years back and my office is not convenient to any of the casinos. I suggest there may be a lot of people jumping to the wrong conclusion. People jump for all sorts of reasons. After all the Penobscot observation deck was closed decades before we had casinos.
I never had the casino force me to gamble. It sounds like from some comments its the casino fault. But at the end of the day its the person fault.
Should we blame Ford, GM, Chrysler, UAW and MDOT for deaths in car accidents?
Agreed. If the casinos where the main factor for jumping there'd be people jumping from their lots weekly if not daily! But casinos IMO are a contributing factor in the hopelessness and despair in this town. You can even see the dour expressions in many of the staff.
Accessability and opportunity converge in a parking garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner
Jumping to the wrong conclusions? Yes, usually.
Apples to oranges comparison, but I DO see your broader point.
The specific and problematic issue with our casinos relative to Detroit and Detroiters is availability and proximity, coupled with a situation of desperation. There are many Detroiters who would have never flown to Vegas to gamble regularly, or perhaps wouldn't have become habitual gamblers if that entailed great travel, planning, or forethought.
IMO distance gamblers who do Vegas, etc. are more likely to spend discretionary income. Neighborhood gamblers are spending money they can hardly afford.
With proximity to gambling houses here some people just got 'caught up'. I am not EXCUSING the behavior, but I saw it happen. You see otherwise rational people, day and night, nickle and dime themselves into a place of regret.
But just as the 'first' day you walk into those joints, you have be responsible and own up to problem, cut your looses [[realizing you'll never get the money back) and walk out that final, last time.
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like there guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkbghnQVnvE
^^^^ That was funny - I love Randy Quaid! What are they paying those 'sapington' casino workers to wear those hideous shirts!?
I stand corrected! I was being generous to the favor of the casinos a bit! There's really no true discretionary income to be thrown away these joints.Casinos jack up just about everyone, local or distant!!
Thank you for making my point! --:o--
Casinos are like crack houses.
No crack house, no place to buy crack. [[Yeah, yeah, I know there are other places .... just an illustration.)
They never should have been allowed in town to begin with.
^^^^ Great analogy IMO. A former crack addict I know told me in detail that you find all kinds of 'consumers' in a Crack House, some don't look like the type who'd be addicted. Many full-out addicted casino gamblers don't have a standard visible profile. Those joints pull all kinds of folk.
It may have started out as entertainment... MGM even has a 'coin-star' coin conversion machine for the truly 'caught up' to cash in their coin jar! If you are cashing in coins should you really be gambling?
It depends. For some reason the local commuter train system puts a blackout on suicides during the Holidays to dissuade copycats. While a local shopping mall covers up rapes & robberies so people can't protect themselves.
Bill Cosby, from his "Adults Only" LP...
"You never see the dealer praying 'Please God, don't let him get a four!'"
I heard from a source I trust that this happens about once a month. Sad as hell. And as times get tougher, I imagine we'll only see more of this.
I don't understand this post. What needs to be exposed? People kill themselves all the time, just because its a casino and he MAY have lost some money there, doesn't make it their fault. Also, how would the casino cover something like this up? I don't understand that logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianni
Everyone always tried to look at who to blame. It's no ones fault this guy tried to kill himself. The fault is with the individual.
I wouldn't pray for someone surviving. At least if they died on impact there would be no pain. Surviving would result in a long painful death. Last fall a law student marched into our building, took an elevator to a high floor and searched for a vacant apartment that are left unlocked. He jumped out the window falling 20 stories onto concrete. He survived, but died later because of complicated injuries. It's bad enough people have to end their life in the first place, but to suffer and die is just unimaginable. I just wish there had been someone there to stop them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianni
This is simply another "told you so" moment.
The casinos are simply a scourge on civilization, period.
I've only been into them under a half-dozen times, and every instance I've walked out feeling mystically toxic...spiritually poisoned. It is sick.
It is time to remind everyone that according to the Freep, in the time BEFORE the Detroit crooks opened up public shop...the Windsor casino caused an increase in Gambler's Anonymous chapters to increase from 4 to over 200.
That was just ONE casino where you had to travel to another country...
They are a scourge. Yeah, Greektown has kept one of my favorite people downtown employed for years...<sigh>...but he is dancing with the devil for his income. Ethically and morally, all the employees are within the liability loop.
There was an excellent article on This American Life on NPR about gambling problems last week...it was very revealing of how these crooks conspire to take people for every cent they can.
No cheers, I'd rather see them all go away today.
I'd like to see them all go away, also.
[[Uh, except for the ones in Nevada, of course!)
I am not a gambler and I am not a huge fan of the casinos [[although I accept that they are here and going to stay). I think it is absurd to blame suicides on the casino. Among other things it trivializes mental illness. People in their right mind, with the potential exception of people in tremendous physical pain due to illness, do not commit suicide. I feel very badly for people who ruin thier lives gambling, but it is a self-inflicted wound, usually accompanied by substance abuse or other mental illness. I have an uncle who has mostly ruined his life and his relationships. A large reason is the gambling. But he has also stolen money, been drunk more often than sober, been unwilling to work a hard day in his life, etc. Poker chips never walked up to him and said "let us ruin your life." And I think the notion that casinos are "covering up" suicides is silly. Dead people go to the coroner. There are statistics on how everyone dies. If they were hiding bodies, don't you think there would be more missing persons reports? This is a tragedy, to be sure. Suicide is never someone else's fault. NEVER.
No, those too. And New Jersey.
Remember that both of those 'starting points' had [[have?) very strong ties to organized crime.
Yeah, what next, blaming tobacco companies for targeting children in their advertising and making an addictive yet cancer-causing product?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart
I rarely go to casinos. People need to realize that you're BUYING entertainment, and in the long run you'll never win.
Hell, even if you develop a scientific method such as counting cards in blackjack, it's considered cheating and you're threatened and kicked out[[even though it involves no collusion, just brain-power).
Neither have cocaine or heroin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyinBrooklyn
There are those that can gamble responsibly, and those that can't. There was an interesting story on This American Life about a woman who couldn't. Listen to Act 2:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi.../466/blackjack
If this is true, how come I can't find it on one news outlet in Detroit for the last two days?
Now that is an interesting tidbit of information. I've never heard of any suicides off, well to be honest, any major buildings downtown. It's too bad they don't reopen it with some sort of setup like the Empire State Building. The views up on the Penobscot must be amazing from the observation deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtf1972
"Had" is correct. They're all corporations today, all but a few publicly traded. But it was better when the mob was here; more comps, more courtesy, better odds. By the way, downtown Las Vegas now has a Mob Museum, featuring Bugsy and the gang. Worth a visit. Also the nuclear testing museum, an amazing facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
Yeah, it is self-induced, yet the proximity can be an inducement for starting to gamble, particularly gambling. I mean there could be a crack house next door to me and I'd never go in or smoke that mess, but others have adictive personalities to all kinds of vices. I broke the gambling habit cold turkey fast once I saw where it was going.
You can see where it is going by observation, people near rock bottom, having lost far too much or everything. No need to loose all you have and ruin your life before making a change! You just have to walk away from that lifestyle completely.
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Yep, for the gambler on their way down it is a crazy love/ hate relationship with the casino - one they encourage with their comps, free hotel rooms, free food etc. It's a 'another' world of folks hanging out there...
You get to be friends with other gamblers, staff and everyone acts like it's ok, as you eat at their feed troughs [[buffets), in between gambling etc. Wave at the regulars from across the floor, but then you know it is crazy and contextual to the benefit of the house.
After all, who would throw money down a flushing toilet? But at the casino, well it happens. Winnings are down too, the cash payout cages once lined with people are void of staff. I do believe the slots are rigged within a certain payout percent range.
And you see alot of lonely people there and they do not seem be having an 'entertaining' time at all...
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The incident happened a couple of years back. The thread just got started again because someone commented on it. I too initially thought it was a recent event!
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Well the excitement for the day here in Greektown is that we had a jumper from the 7th floor of the gararge that I work in and the street is blocked off and the guys brains and skull pieces are splattered all over our driveway and Brush street! Our other employee witness the smacking of the person on the ground and now she is being treated for shock
This happened [[and I began this thread) YESTERDAY, my whole family saw it from a wedding reception they were attending. I don't know why it wasn't on the news, but it happened for a fact.
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Originally Posted by Zacha341
It happened because they took him to DRH to clear the scene. He was DOA with a wide open skull fracture and brain matter exposed. [[No HIPPA)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I have just as much compassion as I can muster for my fellow man, but one thing I think is ridiculous is to blame whole industries for the problems of the relative few people [[compared to how many people can go and leave and enjoy themselves) who are addicted to them [[i.e. casinos, alcohol, drugs). You are placing the blame on the wrong side. Sad as it is, and I do feel bad hearing about this, it is the person that is/has the problem.
I mean if we got rid of the casinos, would no one jump off a parking structure again?
Actually, I think I'm more concerned that someone leapt from the top of a 13 story building and no one in the news media said a word about it than what kind of building it was. Just because it was a casino parking deck doesn't mean that the person had even been IN the casino. That garage is used for Tiger games, people who work in the vicinity, concert attendees and, possibly, the very wedding the OP was attending. Oh, and employees at the 1st precinct.I don't really understand why the fact that the jumper was "shirtless" adds any importance to the event either.
Interesting to hear from your perspective, Ray, how is was better under the mob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray1936
Gambling is entertainment, I enjoy going to Snooker and playing poker, doesn't mean I am addicted, I prefer tournament over cash games. I know what my buy-in is, thats the most I could lose, it keeps me entertained for a few hours, just like a movie, people are just weak now-a-days, wether it's drugs or poker, if the person is weak, it's there fault not, the casinos or drugs they choose to do, how many young kid do you know that are on anti-depressants, I know a few and to me it's like they are just weak. Seriously what's a 20 to be depressed about?
Has it been determined that this suicide was gambling related?
"Just the facts ma'am."
That aside statistics show that 1% of the population are gambling addicts. Of them 1 in 5 will attempt suicide and a majority will be involved in a felony. Something like 3-4 % are problem gamblers And have less serious issues but still have generally messed up lives.
Does that mean we should outlaw gambling? No. That just gives the business to criminals.
However I believe there should be a ban on advertising or promoting it. Ditto for alcohol, prescription drugs, tobacco, junk food, and any substance or activity that is harmful. Do it if you wish but no one will be allowed to entice you. Couple that with a large and well funded effort at educating the public as to their danger and provide rehabilitation resources funded by those industries and then let the dice roll.
What they should ban is all the fukn hormones they use in our foods, alot of them have the same affects has smoking, they are found to cause cancer,
Oh ok. There was a post soon after yours [[post #5) that cited a previous issue. That's where the confusion came in for me. I did search the web and they are keeping this recent episode quiet. Very quiet...
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Originally Posted by Alley
OK, now that we have more information can we be certain the person jumped? Maybe they had a bit of help as in PUSHED? Where's the certainty that this was jumper?
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Maybe a mob guy pushed him off the building,after ripping his shirt off, in a fight
Hmmm... A most interesting proposal. It makes sense. It allows people to be free and make their own decisions, but doesn't allow harmful or addicting behaviors to be advertised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
I always laugh when I see commercials for the casinos and how naive a person would have to be to want to frequent such a place.
I just work too damn hard to give it away to them1
Ray... you forgot the part about police bonuses were better in the mob days!
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Originally Posted by mikeg19
I heard about the suicides & the observation deck when I worked there. Talking to an old security guard who had seemingly been there since the original building opened. :)
My point.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I checked all the news outlets multiple times but nothing.
I saw it and my 16 year old daughter saw it. At least 2 or 3 others on this forum saw it or know about it. It happenned yesterday about 6:30 pm. It is not on the news and it won't be because, my guess and it is only a guess and I get to guess about this sort of thing here, is that the casinos cover this shit up and it happens all the time. If I didn't have a day job and a night job already, I would be doing FOIA's to the coroner, and talking to the ER docs and casinos workers confidentially. I think it happens all the time. I hate casino's, just my personal opinion. I know they are here to stay, and we need their money but that doesn't mean I have to like it. But if people are killing themselves on a regular basis because of your business I think it is a newsworthy story. And if it were my business I would do whatever I could to keep it quiet.
I really think you need to take a step back here [[no pun intended). I used to be a funeral director. The reasons people kill themselves and the places they do and the manner they do it in are not always correlated. Sure it's safe to ASSUME that this is casino related, but you just don't know the facts and you may never know, the family may never know, or the casino may never know. Do you know of any of the previous deaths being directly correlated with the casino? Maybe the news teams are taking it easy because this is such a personal matter, no doubt they are on the police blotters all the time anyway. and if it WAS happening all of the time I think we would hear about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianni
If you feel so strongly about every news channel has an investigative group, let them know.
My husband and I occasionally go to the casinos here in Minnesota. When we started going back in 1994 and would stay overnight, on nice nights we would enjoy opening the window and getting a cool breeze in. Now, at least at the last 3 big casinos we've stayed at, they have secured the windows so you can't open them. They said it is because of "jumpers". So sad.
They also lock the windows over the river in the Amway Grand in Grand Rapids and there isn't a casino within 25 miles of there.
I know of a journalist who wrote a piece critical of Greektown Casino's decisions.
Greektown immediately canceled all advertising with the media outlet.
'Nuff said?
Wow, your sensitivity overwhelms me.Quote:
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Yeah, just as they're so sensitive when someone in the inner city's kid just got shot and they shove a mike in their face.Quote:
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I suspect you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroitnerd
I think the only news organizations in town with a true firewall between the business side and the journalistic side of their operations are public radio and The Metro Times. Sounds to me like this would be a good topic for the Craig Fahle Show or Jack Lessenberry.
Let the funeral party begin.
Maybe it doesn't. Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
From the 7th [[possibly 8th) floor of the Atheneum, you look slightly down to the roof the guy jumped from, so it wasn't 13 floors.
We drove into Detroit Saturday evening to meet another family for dinner in Greektown. We parked at the garage around 5:40 and left on Brush St side to walk down to the restaurant. We were seated in the window and noticed an ambulance drive by about an hour after being there. My husband went back to the garage to get something from the car and said the street was blocked off and police cars everywhere. We said good bye to our friends and decided to check out the Casino never having been there. We were shocked at how depressing the atmosphere was and couldnt wait to leave. It was sad to see so many people looking so unhappy and down on their luck. No one seemed to be having a good time. We walked back to the Brush St. entrance we had come out of earlier and were told by a cop to leave and go back and use the elevator. When we got to the third level and near our car we unfortunately peered over the side where the incident took place and saw the after math in the street. A large pool of blood and plastic gloves and towels. A man in his car nearby told us he heard someone had jumped from the 7th floor. We hurried up and got out of there. We dont go into Detroit very often and are not in any hurry to go back any time soon. We left there with such a sad feeling for the terrible conditions in Detroit. We had the same feeling last summer after leaving the beautiful Tiger stadium to come out on the street after the game feeling afraid in the parking garage there because of all the bums on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alley
I recall the garage in the 333 W Fort Building had some odd counting of it's garage floors, too. I think it has something to do with how they zig zag and criss cross over one another that what would normally be one floor gets counted as two.
Keep in mind, Lou, that many of the folks that patronize the casinos come from north of 8 Mile. It's a regional problem, not just of the city proper. Oh, and Tiger Stadium doesn't exist anymore.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Alley
Actually, it still could've been the 13th floor of the parking structure...they need less height per floor.
Oops, meant Comerica, just shows how little time I spend there. I have a client who drives at least once a week from Lake Orion to Greek town casino and brags about the comps they give her, free rooms and food etc. very sad. She has stories of winning only once in a great while. An addiction will have people willing to drive the distance.
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Originally Posted by downtownguy
Excuse me, gang. Suicides happen every day, everywhere, for any one of ten thousand reasons. Health, finances, family.....there are many many more than you ever read about. Unless the ''victim" is someone otherwise noteworthy, you won't read about it in the paper or see it on the tube.
Jumpers occasionaly make print, but that's because of the rather spectacular means. Those who put a glad bag over their head or tie a noose get no mention.
But most of you on this forum sure hate casinos! Interesting.
You do not understand the disease of compulsive gambling, and the degree to which the casinos encourage the disorder and profit off of the money generated from its sufferers. I would say that well over half of their regular repeat patronage comes from compulsive gamblers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart
I received this message in my inbox, and after I replied, she asked that I post it on here.
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http://www.detroityes.com/mb/images/icons/icon1.png He Had A Name, Soul, Family, Friends And A Son...............It appears all of the Blogs are starting with what witnesses saw. Not sure how much is true.
The Only thing I’m sure of is that his life was ended way too soon at age 29. He was a wonderful child that grew into an amazing, strong, handsome intelligent man and exceptional Father. However, he never really knew how much he meant to us and how much he still had to give to the world. A light has gone out that can never be replace or forgotten.
My hope is someone that if someone is experiencing this type of desperation they will think about how much they are cheating their family and friends and the suffering that will never leave our hearts. Please know there are always options, and whatever you are feeling will pass. This way is not an option.
Gambling or losing money had nothing to do with it. The cause of this was a feeling of hopelessness, nothing more. He just wanted the hurt to stop, never had even gambled.
He had a name, He loved the outdoors. He had bluest eyes that sparkled liked diamonds, a sweet soul and spirit, a dedicated Mother who did more than anyone to try and help him, an amazing older brother that is devastated, family and friends that loved him dearly and are heartbroken and, the saddest I feel, is a young son that will only know him through our memories.
We are sad you are no longer with us, but know you are with God and he has an Angel with the bluest eyes that he has ever made.
Truly heartbreaking. Thanks to the mother who was able to share this information after such a devastating tragedy, and thanks for passing it along, jcole. As far as the importance of the young man not having a shirt on, it could point to a state of mind, since being shirtless is definitely not the norm for that place.
The note also serves as a reminder that folks should be thoughtful about what they post, because aggrieved friends and families often search all venues for information in times of great difficulty, and can come across comments that range from insensitive, to downright cruel.
Thank you jcole. I was on vacation and just saw her message and asked her the same question... how sad and how far most were off about their assumptions. Well said thecarl.
The guy was the same age as me...
I have to resurrect this.
Yes, Pam, it did happen before [[a thread in 2009 touched on it). While dignity for the deceased demands that some things don't get sensationalized [[when has that ever stopped the news?), media has always been swayed where huge and powerful industries are involved.
The gambling industry is huge. Detroit isn't the only major city that acquired a casino in or near it's vicinity. In my travels, there wasn't a city that didn't have one recently created near it. Many of the figures cited of those checked into Gambling Recovery situations [[the "powers-that-be" thrive on glutting folks on the very things that will run them aground, so they can sluice them into other industries that will remold and engineer and process them to it's liking. We'd be fools and doing the observance of history a great disservice to not grasp that control is the great Holy Grail of all empires and power-mongering concerns.) are accurate. So, I do agree-it is a "See, I told you so" sort of outlook.
To remedy the doubts caused by the initial obvious damage occurring, the "powers that be" had to paint gambling in a more positive light than what it was in the '90s [[how Scorsese, Tim Burton, the Simpson, and yes, that scene in Vegas Vacation). So, Lo and Behold we had a glut of "Celebrity Poker" shows on T.V. for a while there, but wait!....what if we resurrected a film put out by Vegas mainstays from the '60s that made it look super spy cool-that you can infiltrate and "win against the house". That's where the stupid, slickly made "Ocean's" films come into play. That, and you might as well throw in "Casino Royale" [[and not the goofy '60s one that had themes about mind control, eugenics, and phony flying saucers).
That behavior is endemic to that situation. I have only set foot in casinos at least three times, and I saw ugly, desperate behavior there. Our freeways are congested with tall billboards for the hype and glamor of casino gambling. With that much influence and with the way the media is swayable and biased, it is not unreasonable to assume that cover-ups about the tragic and unattractive side of casino gambling is occurring.
Let me tell you about another huge industry that's a lot like gambling. It happens in an eastern state that esteems education the way we do cars. At one very popular college [[where the locals joke it has "the best grades money can buy".) that hosts every diversity [[except Blacks and Latinos) and claims to be liberal [[yet is everything but-), I witnessed an event at their "square" where ambulances converged on a scene. Seems an Asian student at his wit's end couldn't handle the "shame" of poor grades, ran into the square screaming, and popped his head off with a handgun. There was no media coverage on it. I was told by many that that happens a lot more commonly than folk's outside of the area know, and yes, it is actively covered up by a facility that huge. Obviously the facility I imply is Harvard, and the same thing occurs cross town at MIT.
Now, we must compare gambling with college education and see what obviously shines better. but wait folks, there's more...
I love libraries, and not from nothing, but unless one is some sort of comptroller for nationwide libraries or does a lot of the deliveries or installation work done to the libraries from coast to coast, I can safely boast that I've been to more libraries than anyone on these forums [[keep in mind, I've been a homeless man who has wandered through many cities in 17 states). Not being proud-it's just a matter of fact.
One bizarre library is the Cincinnati [[Hamilton County) Public Library on Vine St. It has a huge genealogy department, and impressive religion area, a dining atrium, a nice art showcase, but two restricted floors where many items can only be accessed by filling out forms and getting clearance from staff [[like say, if you wanted an anthology of Robert Crumb or artwork by Hans Bellmer, and this is coming from a town that boasts a Hustler Hollywood). The Library is a tall five-ish story block with a lobby being overlooked by a surrounding balcony from each floor. It is a common spot for despondent folks to commit suicide. This is due to the fact that it is within the Over the Rhine region [[the Cass Corridor equivalent), which is ridden with crime and drugs [[I never witnessed garish, loud street corner pushers until I lived there). That and Cincinnati has a long history of racist abusive cops and a lot of mistreatment of the poor.
http://citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-
7109-suicides_and_silence_why_is_the_public_library_wit hholding_information.html
-also, I should add, when Cambridge has places like 240 Albany [[the worst "wet" shelter in the area next to the Pine St. shelter), has an phenomenal mass-consumption of "scratch-n-win" tickets [[more than any state I've been to-Massachusetts is by far, the worst in that area of gambling. I once knew a guy who made two hundred a week scouring certain spots from Woburn on down where he'd collect bags of discarded tickets, proof-read them, and blacken his hands re-scratching them for winners overlooked by the medicated masses who were "just going through the motions" of buying, scratching, and littering them in blurry-eyed robotically-programmed zombie-fashion), encourages [[or is permissive towards) pharmaceutical usage and is ambivalent towards Listerine drinking and Fentanyl usage, and the ever widening economic gap present in trendy Boston it becomes very common to see many homeless folks throw themselves in front of an oncoming Red Line car.
I've witnessed too much, not to speak up about this. So, what is it?-gambling, drugs, ever-growing exploitation and genocide of the poor, or is the the "evils of poor-library design", subways, and "weird Asian honor systems" as it applies to education "status". Or do we all just create an overbearing demand of progress with unrealistic illusions of security, sex appeal, and family values that victimizes many and kicks them to the wayside. I can tell you where I've been in that last equation....
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Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart
Excellent post G-DDT. The misery is created ans sustained by those who profit from it. Your last paragraph could easily include détention centres as an industry that thrives on misery.
Apparently he lost his shirt [[buh-doomp boomp -- rimshot)
Good lord... so you opened an old thread so you could go of on unrelated rambling tangents [[not your first time).... do you ever go back and reread your threads.... or do you just post whatever comes into your head about some narrow subject.... which by the way, you forgot important topics such as suicide bridges [[Golden Gate alone over 1,600)... and then there's the entire subject of Erotic Asphyxiation..... maybe we should force people to wear stiff collars. If you're trying to make a point, try doing it in less than a 1000 words.... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by G-DDT
Yes, G., I do read them, and I don't regret a thing I state. I do all I can to be thorough, intricate, and consistent. I have years of pent-up data, experience, and information, and nobody is putting a gun to your head to read or accept them.
If it seems tiring for you, just know I don't let myself off easily. Not only am I my own worst critic, I place myself in the "grey zone" of irresolve to constant re-assess and re-weigh every side of a situation, before I lock a conviction [[which I think far too many folks do flippantly just to clutch onto some sort of structure).
Someone once stated to me that I was "preaching to the choir" and that "we are all aiming for the same thing". What a load of dung! I see far too many conflicting views on these forums and not a lot of evidence to back them up. I don't think there are very few persons on my page. As soon as I like what one person states about one thing, they have to spout off about something else or praise someone in the area [[someone I know all too well about there dark sides), and I go "Oh, please, nooo."
As one conservative guy [[yeah, I do have conservative friends who I can talk to just about anything else in an abiding fashion without politics entering into it) from Muskegon noted about me, I'm my own animal. As my own animal I have a right to speak. Furthermore, I'm not going to acquiesce to one-inch thought Orwellian thinkspeak to express it. People got to stop being lazy in that fashion. Go read some Tolstoy or Melville or better still, it's St. Patrick's, read some Joyce.
Than again,-to give you the benefit of the doubt-there's something to be said for brevity.
"Good Night DetroitYES!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Rambler
I guess, in my defense, [[cue Jim Carroll) there's a certain angst that builds in one when you've been to enough funerals for overdoses, murders, and suicides-whether they're friends or not [[where you find yourself saying "Oh, it was that guy who used to hang out there"). I still feel the severity of the death and it's location [[and yes, that there are media scrub-outs on it) is an indication that the casinos are baaaad mojo.
Also, if folks keep making jokes about suicide, I swear [[I swear I'll do it!) I'll start a [[non-Detroit) thread asking "What mode of suicide any of you would prefer?" Hey, if Mos Allison asks how we're gonna go----Just remember kids, suicide is only a dangerous hobby to the enthusiast.
Or silence, written or verbal.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-DDT
It's funny how people formulate opinions based on erroneous assumptions. While it makes for a good narrative to lay this at the feet of the evils of gambling, you want to know the real story?
Here's the skinny: The feds were closing in on this guy for child porn; that's why Detroit cops were referring people to the US Marshal's office for comment.
If that be the case, then that's the end of that. Still doesn't explain previous jumpings [[like the one in 2009). I still left the backdoor open on that by mentioning subways and colleges [[and as one person-who was sarcastically accused of being "fair and balanced" on another thread because they, too, drew upon a long-winded example to make a point-pointed out bridges, as well), which we know are not as prone to draw the negative influences casinos tend to do.
Again, if someone does not like that I post, simply do what I do with those I chose to ignore and simply pass over my posts with no comment. Yet, if it's what I post that becomes the troublesome pea that dis-"eases" you amidst your many cushy layers of mattresses, then by all means, address those points in a civil and non-repressive [[that is, to not suggest to others to simply "shut up".) fashion ready to provide lengthy evidence for your point of view.
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Originally Posted by G-DDT
Never mind those who try to shut you up. Keep on giving your lively, fluid point of view. Ramble on if you wish my friend, I like your style, you don't insult or highjack anything.
YES!! G-DDT knows his sh*t .. preach it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
The more sedately-minded DYes'ers might want to scan The Robots' Rebellion:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Robots-Reb.../dp/1858600227
The author David Icke is somewhat off-beat [[some would say barking mad), but still a good read after more than 20 years.