Thanks to help from Pakistan, US forces raided his mansion in Pakistan and shot him in the head. They have his body.
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Thanks to help from Pakistan, US forces raided his mansion in Pakistan and shot him in the head. They have his body.
I would rather have seen him tried in a US court. But this will certainly do.
I don't want to say great news. But a moment in American history. I am glad to know he will not do any more harm directly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/wo...is-killed.html
Never mind.
He's dead.
A grand reason to tone down our military spending to the nth degree.
That's kind of exciting.
I wonder if he died on the same day as Cuban-American Terrorist Orlando Bosch [[one of "our" airline bombers, with former ties to the CIA, like so many others)...Maybe next week it'll be Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's turn, or maybe Luis Posada-Carrilles...
Meanwhile the terrorists known as Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, etc. are still free.
Anyway, can we get the hell out of A-stan now?
Three cheers to the USA. He's dead and we have his body to prove it.
I say drag his body through the streets and let everyone take back a piece. Good work US military!!!
Hmm, all the sources say he was in a mansion in Pakistan, but some sources are saying he was shot in the head.
We had his DNA just in case he was in an explosion , they have his carcass so that leads me to believe
he was killed by other means . Anyways it was quicker than the thousands of deaths he was responsible for . I would have rather had a capture and trial
Good work , the sad thing is he will just be replaced by another one.
Good work! But.....I'm wondering about retaliation.
President Obama, has finished what Bush had failed at.
4 more years!
Yep, he was shot in the head per NBC.
Clear victory, but i worry about retaliation. We cant go back to the way we were before 9/11, but at least justice was done for the 3000 lost
He was just misunderstood with a troubled childhood. If only Jane Fonda or Yoko Ono could have got to him first, he could have got some counseling and become a reformed man. There are no bad people in this world, just victims. Killing is never the answer. I'm sure all liberal minded Americans will feel the same way. When is death excusable? Murder is not the answer to murder.
http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pict...-Laden-114.jpg
in closing, i think they should burn his corpse at ground zero and let us all piss on his ashes.
For those who didn't know, this is also the 8th anniversary of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech for the Iraq War.
From what I remember... if you bury a Muslim in a coat of pig skin, and stuff pork down his throat before burial.... they can never make it to heaven..... Sounds like a good recipe for no 72 Virgins for Osama...
So long dip shit, hope you got to look the guy in the eye who pulled the trigger on you.
For a guy who "works more than ten hours a day, six days a week" Papasito sure finds a lot of time to log on and make stuff up...Quote:
He was just misunderstood with a troubled childhood
OBL was from a very wealthy family in a very conservative country [[Saudi Arabia). [[Saudi Arabia has been very effective in spreading their form of ultra conservative Islam to other countries in the world). OBL gave up his life of comfort to go fight the commies in Afghanistan, and was one of our "key allies" in the struggle against girls attending school, er, communism. These people were of course, Muslim Fanatics, but they were hailed as "The Moral Equivalent of our Founding Fathers" not by Yoko Ono, but by the Reagan crowd [[and by Charlie Wilson).
Ronald Reagan warned us about people who said "We're from the government and we're here to help you"...yet that was his message to the Muslim Fanatics....Perhaps it would have been cheaper and wiser to not meddle in the affairs of Afghanistan. Anyway, it's nice that this ultra conservative fanatic is finally dead..
Now, anybody seen that other former recipient of millions of our tax dollars, Gulbuddin Hakmatyar?
finding the over the top celebratory reactions to OBL death offputting - like crowd delirium when Lions win - mark of losers, not champions
job's done, move on, there's more to do
Thank you brave American armed forces and the intelligence community,, and well done commander in Chief... well done... now maybe some of the families will feel justice has been at least partially served.
We still have to Islamic radicals out there who will do anything possible to destroy the US.
Why is there no special report on network tv?
Watch the celebration live here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...795,b=facebook
Still going on at almost 3am.
Until that happens, I won't be celebrating.Quote:
Anyway, can we get the hell out of A-stan now?
I thought the man died five years ago. Good he is gone now, so can't pop up and issue taunts and threats and we can stop obsessing about him. It is reported he was buried at sea. That was quick.
They have his body.
He's dead and we have his body to prove it.
they have his carcass
No they don't. Reports are that they dumped it in the ocean somewhere. If they ever had it.
Some will claim there is no proof.
Of course they have his DNA, Meddle. I'm sure they have plenty of Pix and all kinds of evidence.
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A senior administration official told ABC the United States is "ensuring [bin Laden's body] is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It's something we take seriously and therefore it's being handled in an appropriate manner."
The New York Times reported he was buried at sea but provided no details.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/...0871304312101/
Pictures, evidence and witness statements can be altered. Ask anyone who is in prison, falsely convicted on bad evidence.Quote:
I'm sure they have plenty of Pix and all kinds of evidence.
No Special Report? All the major networks were broadcasting it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
and this didn't happen just once. fox news had several "slip ups" "H"eraldo and several other nitwits did the same.
I saw it all in my crystal ball. The Osama bin Laden is DEAD!
Last night the news reported that this operation took place last month and the US kept it silent until now. This morning they are saying it took place Sunday, they shot him in the head twice, showed grainy videos of blood on the floor of some place in Pakistan and have matched his DNA with his sisters to assure everyone it's actually him [[doesn't DNA take quite a long time to determine) and buried him at sea according to Islamic Law.
Seems to me a lot went on in a 48 hour period. Why did they bury him at sea "according to Islamic Law"? Did he care about the thousands of Americans he slaughtered in New York, Washington, DC and a corn field in Pennsylvania?
As an American, I would have wanted to see his body. Two shots to the head would have made it next to impossible to recognize him. I have some questions.
Burial at sea assures that his gravesite cannot become an important site for Al Quaeda. Treating his remains with respect removes an aggravating element for those looking for reasons to attack Americans.
Chop that head off , make a trophy out of it.
Can you imagine the howling had the mission to capture/kill Bin Laden had failed like the Iranian hostage rescue attempt? http://bit.ly/jzizpj
Obama gambled his Presidency on that call. He may still be if a terrorist backlash response to Bin Laden's killing could lead to a 911 equivalent attack.
Well it's telling that we haven't had that attack since 9/11 when he was ALIVE, much less leaving it to his stooges. I'm more confident in our security now than the other day. If his presidency rides on an outside attack, then that just speaks volumes on what kind of idiots we are.
It sure didn't influence Bush's reelection chances, did it?
Pakistan confirms: http://en.rian.ru/world/20110502/163820038.html
Al Quaeda in the Arabian Peninsula confirms: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...sama-bin-Laden
This one is graphic, don't look unless you must see the body: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UORyMzNQ8MA
I'm afraid this doesn't change anything regarding our relations with the ME.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/02-2
"...The disease of empire, according to Thucydides, would finally kill Athenian democracy. And the disease of empire, the disease of nationalism … these of course are mirrored in the anarchic violence of these groups, but one that locks us in a kind of frightening death spiral..."
And Republicans ask for bin Laden's birth certificate.
Don't have a problem with taking this fool out, however, the chest thumping would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. The truth is this fellow is the straw in the drink behind the economic collapse we've been experiencing. Two and half wars, billions of dollars gone, Chinese owning our future, ...
The flag waving, fist pumping, we're number oneing ... smacks of celebrating the tackling of a running back after he scores the winning touchdown.
Spot on Gnome... sadly on top of the 3,000 that died on 9/11... we lost another 4,000, [[plus 10s of thousands with long term injuries that we will be paying for for decades) mostly in one war that was unrelated to our original goal of taking him out... not exactly something we should be gloating about right now...
... but yes he's gone, mercifully.... but now we have to wait for the repercussions. As one of the news folks said last night... it's not just Al-Qaida we have to worry about, but all the lone sympathizers here in the USA that could take their revenge out on a smaller scale...
Well I work for the state/fed and we just got our public service email regarding the sit - u - ation.
I know this brings a type of closure to all the events surrounding 9/11 and it should but I just can't help feeling like I want to jump up from my office cubicle and start singing a Glee version of:
Munchkins
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
- Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
And she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.
- Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
- Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
- Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
- Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
- Let them know
- The Wicked Witch is dead!
- Mayor
- As Mayor of the Munchkin City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally.
- Barrister
- But we've got to verify it legally, to see
- Mayor
- To see?
- Barrister
- If she
- Mayor
- If she?
- Barrister
- Is morally, ethic'lly
- Father No.1
- Spiritually, physically
- Father No. 2
- Positively, absolutely
- Munchkins
- Undeniably and reliably Dead
- Coroner
- As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined her.
- Mayor
- Then this is a day of Independence For all the Munchkins and their descendants
- Barrister
- If any.
- Mayor
- Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old Witch at last is dead!
I'm awful proud of you kids for only having 2 kneejerk reacting Partisan post flamers on page 1.
I expected more.
The world is better off without Osama Bin Ladin.
Obama did good in the Libya speech, and did good here.
Credit where credit is due.
And criticism where it is due.:cool:
Plus, this good news totally takes our minds off of babykilling.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/04/30-4
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Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi survived a NATO airstrike on Saturday night that killed his youngest son Saif al-Arab and three of his grandchildren...
...Mussa Ibrahim said Saif al-Arab was a civilian and a student who had studied in Germany. He was 29 years old
The conspiracy theorists will be all over this.
I think Obama was sitting on this waiting for the right moment to launch this. Someone had to get that royal wedding of of every channel.
I think it was because they wanted to honor the tradition of burying him in less than 24 hours... besides he is most likely meeting 72 sharks at this point.
What reaaaally happened!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0AX...layer_embedded
What reaaaally happened!!
We'll never know.
Now we have to worry about reprisals. Will they try to kill our president? Or maybe someone more important like the Donald.
Props to the Decider-in-Chief and the Navy SEALS who executed this dangerous mission!
For the first time, I am really proud of our current President.
Obama's next directive should be for our JSOC to take out that terrorist hiding in Tripoli, about whom he said too long ago "has lost the legitimacy to lead".
Hmm...and then take out the terrorists in Beijing who gunned down their civilians in Tiananmen Square?
No. Time to bring our troops home, shut down 2/3 of the carrier fleets and the 800+ worldwide military bases. Time to rebuild our school, sewers, roads, industries and Detroits.
don't need special forces for that - the jerk in Tripoli is too stupid and too egotistical to rival bin Laden plus he doesn't have someone like Bush protecting him for damned near a decade
I think its past time to give the President and his office the respect he deserves. We get on the board and hammer him on his policies and thats fair game, I get that. Over time we will continue to have those discussions and thats good. However the disrespect such as the monkey pictures, the birther issue, the educational background, the you lie statement etc, etc. is unfitting and disrespectful of the office.
Just this past week he made two decisions which shows he puts the well being of this country above getting re-elected. One the release of the BC when he could have milked it longer. The mainstream Repubs were actually relieved when Obama released the BC since even they knew it was getting out of hand.
Secondly Obama put his presidency on the line and his re-election by green-lighting the Navy Seal mission. If that mission had failed like Carter's the Repubs would have been all over him, spinning it all kinds of ways. Obama could have taken the easy way out and bombed the complex using the drones like his military advisors wanted him to. They would have been able to find [[create) enough proof to show the american people that he was dead.
He knew that wasn't enough and he took the far more riskier option for both his career and US lifes. but it was the one that needed to be taken. Like the pirate hostage situation it worked out well.
I just hope this ends the side show issues that demean the man and the office.
The President disrespected the people of the US by hiding his birth certificate and continuing to hide his educational records. He brought that episode upon himself. He has repeatedly lied. I think you have it backwards. It is President Obama who is unfit for office. Kucinich claims Obama's adventure in Libya is an impeachable offense.
The dollar is collapsing causing gas prices to skyrocket, the deficit and national debt have increased by trillion$ under Obama and yet the unemployment remains unacceptably high.
You omit the fact that the day before successfully killing Bin Laden, 'NATO" attempted to kill Gaddafi but only managed to kill three of his grandsons in the latest episode of Obama's unconstitutional war on the Libyan government which his staff assured us would last 'days, not weeks'. His administration has also stated that there were to be no attempts to kill Gaddafi. That's two lies right there.
However, If everything told us by the government and CNN is true then President Obama should be credited with overseeing the successful disposal of Bin Laden. President Obama had an excellent day and deserves some credit for his role in the capture.
I wish the left had pursued W's AWOL from the air national guard as doggedly as those nuts pursued the birth certificate business.
The president was properly vetted as with every other candidate. The short form BC from his home state carried the same legal weight as the long form BC.President Obama is under no legal obligation to release either his long form BC or his academic records so that people can verify what grade he got in Econ 101. Please provide proof that he lied.
President Obama is not only fit for office, he along with Bill Clinton is one of the most academically accomplished Presidents we have had in modern times.
Mr Kucinich statement taken in its proper context.
"And I'm raising the question as to whether or not it's an impeachable offense. It would appear on its face to be an impeachable offense," Kucinich said. "Now, it doesn't necessarily follow that simply because a president has committed an impeachable offense, that the process should start to impeach and remove him. That's a whole separate question. But we have to clearly understand what this Constitution is about."
The WH point is
Legal experts dispute the view that Obama acted outside his constitutional authority.
The White House argues that the intervention, waged alongside the U.K. and France, was necessary to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in Libya as Muammar Gaddafi uses lethal force against protesters seeking his ouster.
BTW: Mr Kucinich wanted to impeach Bush for pretty much the same reasons
Please provide more understanding to me that the dollar is the only reason why gas prices are going up. I always thought there were other reasons at play as well.
Don't attribute the actions of NATO as solely an Obama operation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel..._b_844663.html
The job of assuring that our energy markets are fair actually falls not upon the FTC but upon the Commodity Futures Trading Commission [[CFTC), but it's had little success to date at curbing oil speculation and slowing this latest run-up in price...
He has repeatedly lied.
Oladub, you have truly flipped out. The President was born in Hawaiii. Both the regular and the long form BC show that. Where are the lies?
from the same article I cited....
As the CFTC has proposed new rules, they've been met by a who's who of derivative traders and their advocates arguing for the status quo and urging caution, including PIMCO, BlackRock, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, the Futures Industry Association [[FIA) and the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association [[SIFMA) -- to name only a few....
Ding dong the wicked man is dead!
You are correct. Obama had no legal obligation to be transparent. He had every right to be as arrogant and nontransparent as legally possible. He promised to be transparent though. As President, Obama has proven himself to be generally inept whether the measure is employment, national debt, national deficit, upholding the value of the dollar, forclosure rates, ending rather than expanding expensive wars, or maintaining our standard of living. It's his record that has proven him unfit for office. The same could be said of Bush. Both had Ivy League degrees. So what?Quote:
firstandten: The president was properly vetted as with every other candidate. The short form BC from his home state carried the same legal weight as the long form BC.President Obama is under no legal obligation to release either his long form BC or his academic records so that people can verify what grade he got in Econ 101. Please provide proof that he lied. President Obama is not only fit for office, he along with Bill Clinton is one of the most academically accomplished Presidents we have had in modern times.
They should both have been impeached. All I wrote was, "Kucinich claims Obama's adventure in Libya is an impeachable offense." Thank you for making my point. Dropping bombs on a sovereign nation is an act of war no matter how much lipstick the administration puts on the pig. Our bombs kill people for humanitarian reasons?Quote:
Mr Kucinich statement taken in its proper context.
"And I'm raising the question as to whether or not it's an impeachable offense. It would appear on its face to be an impeachable offense," Kucinich said."Now, it doesn't necessarily follow that simply because a president has committed an impeachable offense, that the process should start to impeach and remove him. That's a whole separate question. But we have to clearly understand what this Constitution is about."
The WH point is
Legal experts dispute the view that Obama acted outside his constitutional authority.
The White House argues that the intervention, waged alongside the U.K. and France, was necessary to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe in Libya as Muammar Gaddafi uses lethal force against protesters seeking his ouster.
BTW: Mr Kucinich wanted to impeach Bush for pretty much the same reasons
I didn't say it was the only reason but it is a significant reason. Measured against a basket of currencies the US dollar has declined from 86 to 73 since July. That, by itself, reduces the dollar's spending power by 15%. An $85 barrel of oil now costs us $100 just on the basis of a weaker dollar caused by expanding liquidity and monetizing the debt. it didn't work so well in Zimbabwe or the Weimar Republic either.Quote:
Please provide more understanding to me that the dollar is the only reason why gas prices are going up. I always thought there were other reasons at play as well.
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Don't attribute the actions of NATO as solely an Obama operation
Without the Community Organizer in Chief, NATO would not be involved. It shouldn't matter though because only Congress can declare wars. I don't care what Obama's 'legal experts' say. The Constitution is explicit. Congress declares wars; not the President.
Classic!! [[via Boingboing.)
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/02...6f4ba135f6.jpg
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/02/KDssc.jpg
I guess we need to determine your standard for transparency. I would maintain that you as well as the other birthers out there have an unreasonable standard for transparency which borders into invasion of privacy.
As far as your other points, the policy issues are fair game as I stated as they should be. I disagree with most of them but I will save my points for later posts.
Bush is an ivy leaguer but he's also a legacy and he had an mediocre at best record in college so there is no way I would compare Bush with Obama and Clinton when it comes to educational accomplishments.
For that matter you can get impeached for getting a BJ and lying about it. The important thing is does it go to trial and you get convicted as a result. With the last declared war being WW II then a lot of presidents should have been impeached. That was the point I was trying to make.
Maybe it wasn't the only reason, but you made it seem like it in your initial post with your wording . I think Maxx hit it more on the head with his post
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Again we can nitpick on the definition of a war my point is Obama hasn't done anything more or less than any president since FDR when it comes to military engagements.
The President is not required to either present a copy of his birth certificate or college records. The issue was whether President Obama was a 'natural born' citizen. It wasn't until he finally came up with a copy of the long form that we even knew in which hospital he was born in and had a couple of signatures so stating. Had the President come forth with this information when the former Democratic district attorney general of PA brought this up three years ago, this would have been less of an issue. Instead, the President chose to be non-transparent. There are still unanswered questions about the President's college years. What , for instance, was obama doing in pakistan in 1981 while he was a struggling college student. Who paid for that? How was his elite $300,000 private education paid for? Interesting stuff. I'm not a Democrat so I can ask questions. Of course, I even think St.Thomas got a bad wrap for wanting a higher level of proof than just believing everyone in the room. If you were hiring a scientist, would you hire the guy that goes with the flow or the guy who wants hard evidence?
That is not the topic of this thread though. We have been shown official pictures of rooms in Pakistan with blood on the floor and are told that the administration will probably be offering at least one picture of Osama's body and another of a body being rolled off deck into the ocean to further substantiate it's story that Osama was killed a few days ago. I think Osama was killed a few days ago but the hasty ocean dump without the press or significant other third parties being witness to Osama's body was possibly a bad move.
Aren't you one of those libertarians who wants to the government to stop intruding into his life?
Seems like you're throwing plenty of stones at glass houses, aren't ya there, Oladub?
If this is "interesting stuff" to you, might I suggest you take up a few hobbies? You know, other than perfecting your blatant hypocrisy.
I took the position of an agnostic rather than a birther. I never claimed to know in which hospital little Barack was born in and if you go back through my posts, you will find that I leaned toward his blessed birth being in Hawaii because the circumstantial evidence was stronger than the birthers' claims that he was born in Kenya.Quote:
firstandten: I guess we need to determine your standard for transparency. I would maintain that you as well as the other birthers out there have an unreasonable standard for transparency which borders into invasion of privacy.
As far as your other points, the policy issues are fair game as I stated as they should be. I disagree with most of them but I will save my points for later posts.
Bush is an ivy leaguer but he's also a legacy and he had an mediocre at best record in college so there is no way I would compare Bush with Obama and Clinton when it comes to educational accomplishments.
Transparancy is what the President promised. He fell short of of his own standard. Politicians lead public lives and even have to reveal their income. Nixon had to hand over tape recordings of private conversations in the White House. Obama should not exempted from the same standards.
I agree, the other presidents were out of line too. Two or more wrongs don't make it right. Obama went a step further by not even consulting Congress about starting his own stupid war.I think that what kucinich objected to.Quote:
For that matter you can get impeached for getting a BJ and lying about it. The important thing is does it go to trial and you get convicted as a result. With the last declared war being WW II then a lot of presidents should have been impeached. That was the point I was trying to make.
Maybe it wasn't the only reason, but you made it seem like it in your initial post with your wording . I think Maxx hit it more on the head with his post
Again we can nitpick on the definition of a war my point is Obama hasn't done anything more or less than any president since FDR when it comes to military engagements.
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My point is why did he need to be any more transparent than any other president? He supplied a birth certificate that is considered sufficient and legal in his home state; that should have been the end of the matter.
To put it more clearly, who cares what the DA in PA wanted? He was vetted before the election and supplied the required documents; that's all that has been required before and he should have been left alone to deal with more important matters. And, as I don't believe that college graduation, or for that matter attendance, is required to be POTUS, why should he be required to give proof of grades or attendance? If there was a college requirement, I'm sure that his transcripts would have been attained.
and now back to bin laden ...
If Osama was half smart, and there is ample evidence he was very sharp, I'll bet ya he recorded messages for broadcast in the event of his demise. Moreover, a smart guy would record messages that rebuke the rumor of his death. A smart guy would taunt the Americans with a hardy, "na na na you missed me".
The reason to pull this gag would be to tap the skeptical humans who delight in buying into all manner of conspiracies. As we have witnessed here really smart folk lap up all sorts theories; be they birther schemes, Oswald/CIA/Cuban/mafia links, mind-control contrails, 911 Truthers, Bigfoot or BubbaHo-Tep.
When do you think we'll hear from brother Osama?
Responses of excessive length rarely get read.
Your's did. :)
Meanwhile, impressive announcement of OBL's death by free fighter John Cena during an event that very night.
We like to say that we are a nation of laws, but there is no due process in assassination.
Dude, NOBODY cares.Quote:
The President is not required to either present a copy of his birth certificate or college records.
This thread isn't about that even if anybody did.
He may have had a basement hiding room, we don't have that information yet. The attack may have completely surprised him and he was unable to get past his bedroom. Hiding in plain sight especially after putting it out there that he was running from cave to cave seemed to work for him for a long time.
In 2008, one journalist predicted his location:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ySteY3r9I
After thinking about this some and watching some old Bush statements on Bin Ladin, I think that its not that Bush couldn't find Bin Ladin, I don't think he wanted to find Bin Ladin.
Its been stated before that Bush needed to have the US in a state of war in order to effectively govern and to get his agenda thru Congress. To find and kill Bin Ladin would have taken all his reasons for waging war away from him.
Bush was doing the politically expedient thing for himself and his party and not doing the right thing for America.
And now can you believe it some of the folks on the right and Fox news are trying to equalize the praise that Obama is getting by throwing Bush's name out there.
Trust me if the plan had failed it would have been Obama getting all the blame.
1st and 10. Your post is right on. Kudos
MizMotown - Then you and I have been singing a duet and you didn't even know it! When I first heard that he was killed - that's the tune that came to my mind; just changed a word or two here and there. Title is: Ding-Dong The Ba$tard'$ Dead.
Somewhere back in this thread someone mentioned wrapping his body in pig skin. My thought was along the same line - stuff him with the crunchy snack of pork rinds.
But that's just me - oh well. Guess it's a good thing I'm not in charge of things, eh?
Under republican rule, "Ding Dong, the middleclass is dead".
Bin Ladens body is in the ocean, once again, surounded by seals......
The definition of transparency was qualified in the context of administration. Conspiracy theories intrigue the suspicious, but they are only theories. Innocent until proven guilty. The onus is upon the accusers to present and prove a case. Not appropriately conceding when accusations are disproven reveals ill intent of the accuser.
Jack Cashill challenges the bona fides of President Obama in his book "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Loves, and Letters of America's First Postmodern President". Trump agrees.
Gnome, Just some honest mockery of the previous Ding Dong post. Nothing more, nothing less.