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Good for him. He stood up for what he believed in.
I agree jcole. The comments made by the DPS spokesperson were out of line. It's pot calling kettle black.
He's just trying to keep their school system going the same way Detroit is. Recruiting by radio ads is one thing; putting up signs on another city's school property is totally another.
Yeah, honest to God, fer chrissakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LodgeDodger
The Mexican city of Juarez is probably safer than oh, pretty much anywhere in Rwanda, and I think that guy should head there for his next vacation.
The bitter topping is the implication that the best we can say about DPS is a statement of that kind.
I think DPS shouldn't have put their ads on that school's property.
I think it's a bit much to put something on another school's property, but DPS needs to be aggressive in order to reclaim those students. Radio and TV ads aren't going to be effective to attract students back to the urban schools. People say "suburban public schools", BAM they're there. You say "urban public schools" or "DPS", they need to be shown why and what has changed. DPS, IMO, has every right to go lobby to get their students back.
I have often picked up River Rouge school district advertising signs in SW Detroit. They have been placing them for two years - and leaving them, of course, long after student count day.
They can lobby all they want it their own city, on the radio and TV and on other property where they gain permission to post their signs.
OK, but that point is completely unrelated to the man's actions and comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Maybe instead of placing signs and buying ads and treating it as a marketing campaign, putting those scarce resources into educating students might be a better idea. Just sayin' ... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
I don't see how. He didn't want them putting signs up, but DPS has to be aggressive in their campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravine
And DNerd, I'm not going to argue with that.
I don't see any way of explaining that is any different from the explanation the man gave during the filming. It's right in there.
Well the broader picture is DPS lobbying for their students. This picture was him angry they put those signs on the school lawn. DPS isn't going to listen to one guy complaining. If River Rouge doesn't want DPS to be on/near their property, then let them complain. Who the heck is he? The principle/superintendent? He is stirring a pot that doesn't need to be stirred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravine
First of all, if it wasn't for all the kids from SW Detroit going to Rouge, that district would be in much worst shape than its already is. I can't blame DPS for being aggressive in going after Detroit kids. The ironic thing is that because the high school and the middle school is basically right across the border from Detroit, its actually easier for the Detroit kids in that section of SW to go to the Rouge schools rather than the DPS schools.
This statement could be misconstrued that the school is lobbying to provide a quality education for their students. But only in the sense of using a marketing campaign to try to get back "their" students from open-enrollment institutions is DPS lobbying for its students -- that is lobbying for them back ... at least in time for that all-important head count ... and the attendant government subsidies.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Did you not hear his complaints? I thought he spoke plainly and clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Of course not. If DPS wouldn't listen to thousands of parents complaining about the quality of their education, why would they listen to one guy in the suburbs?Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Something DPS probably has little experience with; a citizen voicing an educated opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
In other words, nobody should discuss the horrible quality of Detroit Public Schools, the idiotic marketing campaign dreamed up by Bobb, and -- despite some great teachers and a few excellent academies -- the festering turdpile that is public education in Detroit. No, Detroit wants those students back, and so nobody must discuss the obvious truth -- which is, again, for the most part, DPS is a failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
It was rude and shameful for Detroit to place those signs on another district's property. I'm glad the guy put up a fuss. I would have done something similar.
I thought the guy did pretty well, plus he got great coverage, so his point is made.
Not so fast, JL. It seems that a guy can be absolutely clear, and quite explicit, in his statements, and still the point is missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnlodge
Yes, well, one must consider the audience, eh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravine
It looked to me as if the volunteers were putting the signs back onto the property even after he'd objected. Wasko has no shame. Here he's standing in another district and speaking poorly about the school. Where's the professional courtesy?
Maybe the gentleman from River Rouge should be more concerned with educating the children in that district;
http://detnews.com/article/20100830/...ids-in-suburbs
"Wasko pointed to data that show DPS is doing a better job compared to the schools they've targeted. DPS' ACT composite score was 15.5 this year compared with 13.4 for River Rouge, according to state data."
There's a lot of finger pointing at DPS [[which is eearned finger pointing) but let's not give River Rouge a free pass.
In fairness, there's no way to prove that this man isn't concerned with improving education for children in his district. Since when do we criticize citizens and taxpayers for uttering their opinions? Do they have to have a card proving that they have donated such-and-such time for community service or tutoring before they may offer an opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by jt1
Just recently I'm have watched a 1961 Sidney Potier classic move called 'A Raisin of The Sun'. Later in the film, A black family, who are living a run down apartment in the Chicago's South Side, just brought a pre-suburban like 3 bedroom ranch in Clybourn Park neighborhood in Chicago's West Side. Then, when this low-income African American family are packing up, A white family man[[ from the Clybourn Park Neighborhood Block Club) came into the apartment. He asks the family to sell the house immediately. However they refused. Just about their finances is almost running dry, they decided to take the investment risk and move to their new home for the rest of their lives.
A true River Rouge resident Stephen Jackson, A River Rouge Graduate, saw what DPS campaign people are doing to lure kids and parents from the suburbs to enroll in Detroit Public Schools by putting their 'Im in' posters in front of the vacant lot that is own by River Rouge Public School District. So he took his fight by taking the 'Im in' posters away from River Rouge School Property. He will keep on doing it and urging River Rouge residents not to enroll their child[[ren) in DPS.
The Clybourn Park resident from the classic film is not racist, but represents racism drawn from the request of fewer racist white folks in Clybourn Park. Stephen Jackson, River Rouge resident is too not against Detroit Public Schools or any Public and Charter School ,but he represents what he believes in to get River Rouge residents to stay in their school districts.
River Rouge Public Schools is in the school of choice program, but not to the extreme like Detroit Public Schools. It's fine for DPS to spread the word to other suburban communties, just don't do it within people's private property without their permission. Our once'socialized' public school system in America is now being treated as a right just like a any other media corporation to have the same rights as a human being under the 14th Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Public School districts needs students so that the state will give them free money and prevent further budget problems and shutting down a school building. Most inclosed school districts will dissapear, but folks like Stephen Jackson will fight the system for a better democratic society.
WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET
Because I am a Detroit Public School graduate. Cody High School Class of '03.
Neda, I miss you so.
This thread includes quite a few generalizations about DPS ignoring the poor quality of schools [[or people not willing to discuss it). Well, DPS is trying to regain students to become financially stable which is a component of improving education. River Rouge is apparently doing a shitty job educating students but nobody here wants to discuss that. Instead people are defending his actions and bashing DPS for offering a poor product [[which is accurate).Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroitnerd
I would think that the criticisms levied at residents of Detroit, DPS, etc should also be levied at River Rouge parents, citizens and the those that are affiliated with River Rouge.
If we had a child education that was truly a State education, then it wouldn't matter what district you went to.
But when rich districts can add money to their education and ignore the poor districts, its not really a State education anymore.
And the lottery money going to education is a joke. It doesn't really. Not any more than a police/fire millage goes to police and fire [[even if its earmarked). Either one just helps bolster the general fund [[which can now pay out less to these funds).
Do you realize what you're defending here? DPS -- with its corrupt leadership, incompetent board and supercilious director -- know full well their school system isn't the envy of the suburbs. So what does DPS do? It starts an expensive, multimillion-dollar marketing campaign to try to convince parents to put their kids in the same troubled school system they fled. Why? So they can make more money. No doubt so that, next year, they can have a glitzier, more expensive advertising campaign to make more money. Nowhere in there do I see a mechanism for automatically improving Detroit schools. Just a bid for cash. And an ad campaign. And I have no problem with people exercising their rights of free speech to say, no, we do not want to be a part of that large system.Quote:
Originally Posted by jt1
Their scores aren't so good? Really, that is a good point, but aren't there other things that may make a parent choose River Rouge over Detroit? Fewer miscreants perhaps? Fewer magnenometers at the door? Fewer super-poorly socialized kids? Fewer parents who don't give a crap? A smaller and more responsive bureaucracy? I'll bet this guy can get a fair hearing at a River Rouge meeting; could we say the same about DPS? They didn't even listen to him while he was yelling at them.
I can't fault him. In fact I think he was right. How about campaign in your OWN city for your kids schools.
Yes, this thing smells like a let's-manipulate-count-day exercise. My first exposure to the concept of count day were the billboards they would put up urging parents to send their kids to school on that day, in particular, at least. Honestly, some higher ups must think this is a way to look like they are being effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroitnerd
Sorry, but I really haven't been paying attention, I just always figured I'd try to live where there are good schools once I had kids, ideally near IA, though I guess that's probably a pretty competitive situation there - but I digress. Anyhoo, schools of choice is simply a program that allows Michiganders [[Michiganians? ;)) to send their kids to any school in Michigan?
You're right Jt1. I get mailings from Southfield, Dearborn, Oak Park, Clinton Township, and Hazel Park all the time. Why can't Detroit do the same things? Why must Detroit be limited to only Detroit city limits when recruiting for students but these other districts can recruit outside their districts? My biggest problem with this is that this wasn't a mailing, it was putting advertisement on another school's property. Could you imagine Southfield putting signs on Ford High School property to recruit students?Quote:
Originally Posted by jt1
I agree and disagree. See above. I think Detroit needs to spend more time creating schools its own citizens want to go to before stepping outside its borders to recruit students. And it is incredibly disrespectful to put those advertisements on rival schools' property. That's like McDonald's putting signs on Burger King's property advertising their latest Big Mac combo special.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOAT
Having just outed myself as utterly clueless, I watched the video. That situation is just ridiculous, all the way around.
Are these campaigns, these Bobb-Mobiles and so on, successful, by any definition? I mean, if that burst onto the scene, I'd burst out laughing - probably after I'd approached them in the assumption they're looking for donations or holding a mobile bake sale or something, and been ejimicated as to their true intentions. How effective can they be? I wonder if they even make back in marginal revenue what they're spending on these efforts.
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by fryar
Yea, that was basically my reaction too.
I wonder what the strategy discussion was about in which they determined where/which cities/communities they would target to recruit students. Anywhere in Oakland County or just Wayne?
Oh yeah, if this man is a taxpayer in River Rouge, he DOES have a say! [[Wink!)
Honestly, I believe it should return to the days when you were limited as to where you went to school by where you lived. Make the schools equal in terms of funding from the state, then if you feel theneed to up the ante, vote in a millage.Quote:
Originally Posted by fryar
I believe that building construction should not come out of general fund money either.
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Originally Posted by Stosh
I'm pretty sure that's how it is here in Windsor anyways. My brother needs to move right now but wants to keep his kids in the same school. The school said he has to live between boundries w,x,y and z or else they can't attend any longer.
It's the only thing I'm familiar with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnatomicflux
Maybe if you would quit dividing by two, it would be easier for other people to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravine