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I was showing some pictures of the Theater Parking Garage to some friends tonight and noticed the projection booth is still intact.
It got me to thinking...
It would not be difficult to adaptively reuse the garage as an evening drive-in theater. What does DYES think??
Is it deep enough for a movie? What's the height of that ceiling up there?Quote:
Originally Posted by izzyindetroit
Not sure but judging by the pictures, it looks like it might work. However a screen would have to be fabricated and installed.
you would also need to be able to get a screen resistant to the staining effects of exaust, or a way to store it....
How many cars are we talking here on one level?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcsdetroitfriend
Major insurance liabilities. Do they even still park cars on the top level? It barely even passes just as a garage.
Certainly a very creative idea. But the owner of the building doesn't think in creative terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by izzyindetroit
I parked in that theatre/garage almost everyday for about 15 years. Very sad.
Hey, we don't knock Tony P. around here. Don't want to disrupt the gravy train of concert tickets from the 70s.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive
I can't imagine that the car idea could be done logically. Now a place for summer movies, parking on the lower levels and bringing lawn chairs upstairs, with some creative lighting highlighting the ceiling areas would be interesting, to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Think that would be able to be done with headphones as well, broadcast in FM.
I think it's a great idea. It would certainly be the first of its kind, and most appropriate for the Motor Capital. And it would piss-off people, such as Detroitnerd, who detest the Car Culture. :)
I think that would be sweet. Maybe the boys at the Burton could hook that up? I'm sure the guy at the Michigan wouldn't care so long as people pay an inflated rate to park...
Pretty cool ideal! I would imagine C02 would be an issue as everyone would be running their cars in a somewhat enclosed space.
OK.... now that you've shared some interesting ideas.... the answer is... it ain't gonna happen.
Too many logistical problems... no public restrooms, the Handicap Access laws, people poking about in dangerous off limits areas, etc.
There could only be viewing on one of the 3 parking levels.... which is something like 60 cars.
The former theatre space does a nice business with a loyal following of major sports tailgaters, so that's about as close to a public event in that space as you'll ever see. With a relatively new roof on that space, inclement weather is not a problem for tailgaters.
Quote: "But the owner of the building doesn't think in creative terms.".... Tailgating for 300 [[includes outside parking) or an inside drive-in theatre for 60.... one may be more creative, but the other is more profitable...
And don't worry about the gravy train of concert tickets from the 70's... that train has long left the station... I have 1 case of complementary tickets left [[I cleaned out 90% of the tickets) for DYES picnic's, PW Theatre Tours, and an occasional FSC meetings. Those tickets were a tripping hazzard in the former Theatre Managers Office. And the owner didn't mind me making it safer! :rolleyes:
Gary, got any extra T.Rex/ZZ Top ones? I'm a pretty big T. Rex fan [[though can't say I care much for ZZ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
bump...
I agree with Gistok on the 60 car thing as a drive in - but parking on lower levels, and lawn chairs/blankets on the top - could be phenomenal. You'd obviously have to secure any places that would allow people to get into the old balcony, but it would be a first of a kind. We can always dream.
Ahh, I hate to burst your bubble, but I was part of a crew that removed the projector heads in March of 1977. we were in the building the second day that the "Golden Movement Emporium", a large-scale antiques house from California was removing all of the goodies--they bought the internal furnishings, light fixtures, ornamental plaster--anything that wasn't holding the building up was fair game. The booth contents were sold separately. We were among the last people to see the building "in one piece" as the balcony railings, chandeliers, wall sconces, backstage sinks, elevator doors and other bits were being removed and packed in the trucks. We left a lot of "stuff" behind that had no commercial value, the projector bases, rewind bench, the motor-generator set that was the original source of high-amperage DC current for the arc lamps and the [[Detroit-made) Brenkert spotlights. We also left behind the "Paramount television film reproducer" a huge device that was used to show "live" prize fights. There is stuff up there, but nothing you are going to use to show a movie with, especially today. The Michigan had Simplex XL projection heads, the best 35mm projectors ever made. We shipped them to a supplier in Fon Du Loc Wisconsin, who mated them to modern "platter" systems and sent them on to their new phase of life, in some mall cinema in some suburb somewhere.
56 Packman:
In addition, wouldn't the angle from the booth to the proscenium require expensive, special lenses?...not like propping up the old 16mm on milk crates and 2x4's
Good point! Expensive indeed :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by detroitbob
I second that. What a cool and uniquely Detroit thing that would be if it could happen. We're somewhat known for having a parking garage inside an old theater, maybe something totally different like this would attract some positive, humorous media attention as well. Of course it would have to be a warm season event. Maybe even small concerts there? I guess the plaster ceiling would need to be inspected and or stabilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by lingramid
But it's doubtful, we already have some great downtown theaters for bands. And the Burton Theater and DFT are not far away.
But it's still a fun idea. And equally strange things have been done in various places, like the Sloss Furnace in Birmingham, AL; a defunct steel mill which for a while was used for concerts. Maybe it's still operating.
Creative and awesome idea.....however, not practical.
the venue would make an interesting backdrop for a Prize Fight, or better yet, a Mixed Martial Arts bout. Set up porta-johns and concessions in the parking lot.
I'm obviously underestimating the degree of difficulty of this, but...
- what do they do now about the exhaust, assuming they don't hitch oxen to the front of cars entering the garage? I kid. But that problem would seem to have been addressed already.
- Wait, people leave their cars on during drive in movies? I never did that [[well, unless I needed heat). I guess they still think of gas as being 73 cents per gallon.
- Who says they can't just mount a cheaper projector in a more appropriate location?
- I talked my way past the security guard on a Sat. like 3 years ago, and at that point, they still parked on the top level. Except for the space where there was a basketball hoop mounted for the owner's kid.
- Even though I'm also a bemoaner of car culture, so to speak, I find drive-ins really cool. I'll talk to the nerd. ;-)
I realize this is not the sort of thing one does - this creative re-use of the defunct theater as a parking garage idea - but I like it. If you ask me, they provide [[some of) the cars and then you walk there. It being downtown.
Hey, 56...
I may be in a position soon to oversee the removal of two ca 1925 Simplex heads, one ca 1970 lamp housing, a 3 platter rewinder and assorted other odds and ends. Would you be in a position to advise and or assist in the removal and sale of these items to a good home? This would probably be taking place in the spring. Shoot me an email at krawlspace [[at) comcast.net if you have a chance. Thanks! :D
As a follow-up idea/brainfart, somebody should do something, wait, no, but somebody should open a drive in in Detroit. Land seems to be cheap and plentiful.
Has Quicken Loans bought the air above the Premier Parking Garage yet? You could build a platform up there, on top of those trusses sticking out of the ground, throw down some grass or astroturf, and park some car shells [[no motor). It's a completely random thing to do, but it beats what they were doing there 2 years ago, and may still be doing there, and it's a nice, central location.
Which, honestly, they should build a platform above the trusses and use that space for something or other.
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what it might look like as a MMA arena
Is this structure open to the public or is it specifically for those working in adjacent buildings?
it is open to the public after 4 on weekdays and on weekends for sporting events, i think
Gnome, that's fabulous. First time I've seen your rendering. But it would have to be held in the spring or fall due to lack of HVAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnome
Funny.......Quote:
Originally Posted by dawn26
I believe the theatre garage is only open to the public on game days....
The former theatre space could have many very interesting uses besides parking and tailgating. However, the buildings insurance company would have a fit over many of them... liability is a big concern for the building owner.
Interestingly enough falling plasterwork is rarely an issue. Plaster is never heavier than when it is first installed. And as long as the plaster and iron rods holding it in place are secure from water leaking into the building, it is relatively secure. Especially since the building roof is kept in good condition.
The top level of the parking structure is located between where the theatre mezzanine and lowest balcony level were located. Although the main floor, mezzanine and 1st balcony foyers have been removed, the 2nd and 3rd balcony foyers still exist stacked on top of one another on top of the former theatre grand lobby... and above the [[open to the former theatre) 3rd balcony foyer is the projection booth. With the sloped balcony removed during the gutting of the theatre in 1977, the 2nd and 3rd balcony foyers open up to some dizzying heights... and are very dangerous places to be exploring.
Here is a pic of the 2nd balcony foyer [[above the former grand lobby)... bathed in perpetual darkness... and a pic of one of 2 entryway openings from that foyer into where the balcony used to be... now an open void that drops off 25 ft. to the top of the 3rd level parking.
The amount of closed off areas that still exist in the former theatre would surprise a lot of folks who have only been as far as the 3rd parking level.
more photos please!
Alright... yee ask and ye shall receive.... :D
Since I now have a Flickr account.... I can show some pics as they were meant to be seen [[without the DYES size constraints)... ;)
The procenium arch and sounding board of the former Michigan Theatre as all visitors see it....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5174025768/
And [[this will be a treat....) how the current theatre would look if the old theatre house lights were on....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/...n/photostream/
.... more large pics coming tomorrow....
Wow, that's beautiful with the lights turned on!
Thanks Gistok!
One of my favorite parts of the former Michigan Theatre that very very few people have seen close up [[never been available to theatre tours) is inside the great window of the former Michigan Theatre. It still dominates the office building facade, even though an entry and exit garage door cover where the dozen or so theatre doors used to be.
In most theatres the great window has a lobby right behind the glass. But in some theatres, such as the former Michigan, the window is really a false window to promote the theatre... while the grand lobby may actually be some distance from the window.
I've done research of the all the largest surviving theatres, and no theatre has a larger "false" great window than does the Michigan.
This space is 4 stories tall, and is shaped like a 1/2 silo [[cut down the middle). From the outside it looks quite noble... but from the inside... it looks spectacular!! Architecturally I would describe it as Louis XIV meets the 21st century....
Enjoy...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5174080928/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5174081248/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5173476225/
And also... there's the former theatre's 5 story lobby... whose ceiling still shows us how spectacular this space must have been....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5173465929/
Great shots! That window is amazing! Thanks again.
As for the lobby, and I think this is where you took the picture.........I'm not even sure if spectacular is an accurate discription! Wait...are those seats to the left in the modern shot? Are these differnt spots?
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Actually no.... I took my photo from the other "end" side of the lobby... the side that is at the end of the image that you linked to... in the dark area just underneath the arch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnatomicflux
I'm not one for heights, so I stood away from the edge of that rarely visited end side of the former Grand Lobby to take that pic.
As for the false great window.... it really is quite a novelty... being inside that space was kind of weird... you sort of lose your sense of distance in there... very surrealistic... so unexpected for a space that was never meant to be visited.
Of all the Rapp and Rapp theatre's built in that period, the Michigan was IMO one of their finest designs...it was cohesive. don't get me wrong, the Uptown, the Chicago, the Oriental, etc. are all impressive with the Oriental being another of their masterpiece designs. In fact if you look at the Oriental the auditorium is virtually identical in scale to the Michigan save the decore and a higher dome. The Oriental has the same feel, "scale" if you will. It was too bad the Michigan stage was limited in depth because of the plot size. The Loge promenade and adjoining staircases to the main balcony was nothing short of stunning...I remember the artwork and furniture and drapery being in place circa 1965...the place was 40 years old at that point but although "dusty" had been faithfully maintained. After Heinz Hall in Pittsburgh was created from the old Penn Theatre [[also a R&R design) the Michigan was briefly considered as a replacement for Ford Auditorium but even though a private test performance by members of the orchestra was deemed favorable the plan never went anywhere. Ultimately Orchestra Hall was without a doubt the best option...but the Michigan was a true jewel. We removed stage lighting and some old black teasers for reuse at Orchestra Hall while the demolition was being prepped, i.e. holes being knocked in the walls and it was heartbreaking seeing Vienna trained Eduard Werner, the great conductor who spent some 14 years conducting the orchestra being interviewed in the stripped auditorium. His wife was Marguerite, was one of the house organists after Artur Gutow opened the 5 manual Wurlitzer.
As for the false window, I am amazed that the mirrors have survived 85 years without loosing their brilliance. A tribute to quality materials.
The music library from the Michigan was given to Wayne State and till this day forms a great portion of the WSU symphonic orchestra library.
No.
It would cause the building program to change from parking garage to place of assembly. It's not to code for such purposes because it was modified for a garage...so it's not possible.
nice pix Gary. and great historic insight.
For me, the place was a tad sugary though. Looking at all that ornate plaster work makes my teeth hurt.
Typical Detroit leveraged buyout: building owner scraps his own building to cover the cost of buying or operating it. Precious.
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Originally Posted by 56packman
Huggybear--a bit of historical relevance for you: at the time the Michigan theater was gutted to make a parking structure there was a large tenant, the credit card association, and they needed more parking for their employees. The theater had been nothing but a headache to the owners of the building, the nickel-and-dime operator of the rock concerts had succeeded in wrecking the interior of the theater and tarnishing the reputation of the place such that it became a very easy decision to retain this major tenant by converting the theater to a parking garage. They originally just wanted to demolish the theater auditorium off of the building and have [[yet another) flat parking lot, but it was determined that doing so would being the office building down with it, they are inter-supported.
The absolute irony in all of this is that the credit card association was a business that in the dark, ancient days of 1976-77 was where store clerks called when a customer made a credit card transaction. Each credit card transaction required that the clerks call a toll-free number, speak to an operator who was stationed at a computer screen, when that was not common, read the card numbers and sales amount and receive either a code number authorizing the sale [[to be written on the card-imprint ticket) or a decline and possibly a "confiscate card" instruction. The call center was in the Michigan building and was growing in 1976-77. Cruel twist of fate: in 1980 or so the magnetic stripe credit card is invented, along with the
cash register reader and the process is automated and the Michigan Credit Card Association goes away. If the MCCA was located in another building or had gone to the suburbs like everyone else at the time they would not have put pressure on the building's owners for parking and the theater might have been spared, maybe. Another nicel-and-dime concert promoter would have probably taken over and not much would have changed.
Having been one of the people to see the building "whole" for the last time, I can say that it would have been an easy restoration when compared to what was spent on the Capitol/Paramount/Broadway Capitol/Grand Circus/Detroit Opera House, which had been left for dead before MOT had the courage to restore that theater.
Within two years of each other the UA and Michigan theaters were stripped of their fixtures for gain by the then-current owners. AAA owned the UA and sold it off at auction after beginning the move to their new "Tinker Toy" HQ in Dearborn, the owners of the Michigan decided that there might be some value in all that old stuff [[rather than have it end up as so much rubble in the demolition)and sold it wall-to-wall to the concern from California.
Note: it was a previous Michigan Building owner who gutted the theatre...
Also of note is that the former Michigan Theatre's 5/28 Wurlitzer Organ can still be heard... it is located in the basement of a well to do Racine Wisconsin businessman, who at the age of 29 bought and removed the organ from the Michigan Theatre back in 1956.
Fred Hermes, now an 83 year old organ buff, still has the organ fully restored and playing in the 2 story basement of his Lake Michigan lakefront home in Racine. He upgraded the instrument to 5/34....
http://www.racine.org/what-to-do/gro...ent-bijou.html
Gistok, did you just brighten that up in photoshop? or is there still working power that is never used?
your images are great, thank you for sharing them. the mirrored window is amazing. I'm not sure many people knew that was there. Can't wait to see more detailed photos of the inside of the Michigan [[or whats left).
That image was taken with temporarily floodlights facing towards the plasterwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by lingramid
Then go to your local cineplex 20 and sit amid the fiberglass drapes and flat drywall. The movie palaces were "everyman's palace" and liberally duplicated historical European interiors. It was an elegant era, and places like the Michigan brought class down-market.Quote:
Originally Posted by gnome
http://www.agilitynut.com/05/6/michgar2.jpgwhat area of the theatre is this?
In the foreground [[with the low ceiling and diamond shaped plasterwork design)... that space used to be the Ticket/Storm Lobby... with its' ceiling plasterwork intact.
The brightly lit area in the back left is what used to be the 5 story Grand Lobby.
The area on the right [[where the woman is walking) is what used to be the Main Floor Grand Foyer... not a very tall space. There used to be a marble wall between the Ticket/Storm Lobby and the Grand Foyer. The low plaster ceiling where it changes from diamond shaped plasterwork to a more freeflowing design... that's where the marble wall used to be. The oval and round shallow domes in that space are the ornate terminus of the Main Floor Grand Foyer. Above that space is the still existing Mezzanine Rotunda [[closed off space).
Here are 2 areas of the former theatre that are hidden in darkness... off limits to visitors.
The Mezzanine Foyer Rotunda is the only surviving part of the Mezzanine Foyer...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5180593665/
The 2nd Balcony Foyer Rotunda is at the opposite side of the back of the theatre as the Mezzanine Foyer Rotunda...and up on the 4th level. The 2nd and 3rd Balcony Foyers still exist [[complete)...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/istokg/5180593861/
Dear all,
I have been requested to ask all to please refrain from making requests to visit the Michigan Theater / Garage by the owner Mr. Anthony Pieroni. Those familiar with him know he has been more than generous in making this marvel available for visitors and I trust all will comply with this reasonable wish.
Interest sparked by the ongoing Michigan Theater thread has resulted in a flood of requests that are impossible to respond to by his staff, let alone make arrangements.I have a problem, which is a tribute to the scope of the viewership of Dyes.
Recently on the "Michigan Theater" thread gnome posted a link to an email address set up by one of our tenants [[gnome #27) offering parking privileges to persons attending a sale of some antiques in the building. [Link since removed by DYES admin] We were unaware of the offer and the tenant has been thoroughly chastised.
However, since the link was posted in the thread we have been inundated with requests to take a tour of the garage. 10-15 per day. Several people have come to our office with personal requests.
We just can't handle them as it takes our employees away from their duties. [[Normally, we get requests from architects and foreign visitors to see the garage and we always attempt to let them in if we can.)
Also, Gistok just posted some photos and that generated more calls today.
I thought eventually the call would stop, but they haven't.
Is it possible for you to post something on the thread to the effect that we can't handle the requests and to please refrain from calling.
However, if people want to request a mass tour I'll be glad to handle that; in other words, if a group wants to come on a Saturday, I'll arrange it. They should post their requests so I can get a handle on who's interested and we'll set a time [[like the annual theater tour.)
Thanks in advance for anything you can do. [My Secretary] would really appreciate it, as would I.
Thanks.
So, I guess that means the chance of having it as a venue for a Mixed Martial Arts cage match is pretty slim.
I sent Mr. Pieroni an Email [[and an apology) for sparking so much interest... I also volunteered to do penance... such as touring help if it gets to that... ;)
Now I have to figure out how to get back into the good graces of his secretary of many years...
actually this sounds like a perfect opportunity to find a new revenue stream for the old place. TP should charge $20 a head and make Gistok play tour guide.
That, and probably your idea to light the grand old window at the corner of Bagley, Cass, and Grand River Avenue.
Of Course, this problem [[opportunity) brings up some interesting questions, like;
- How much was he charging for tours?
- Why hasn't he raised prices in line with the increased demand for the limitied supply?
- Would sale of current tour openings be enough to make the garage/theater venue safer for larger scale public tours?
- Why has a auto response on a free e-mail account not yet been established [[five to ten minutes of work on Google Gmail, or Yahoo Mail)?
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Originally Posted by Gistok
The Michigan Theater [[Michigan Parking Garage) tours are already available for $45 through Preservation Wayne's Theater Tour, and must be booked way in advance. Private group tours may be arranged through Inside Detroit, and further information on tours of the Michigan Theater can be inquired about at the Detroit Tourist Welcome Center on Woodward Aveneue, between Grand Circus Park and Campus Martius Park, in Downtown Detroit.
Current tours that include the Michigan Theater already go from $47.00 per person and up. 10-15 inquires a day, along with that five minutes of market research, suggest that a much higher price is possible than either $20 or $47, and may be warranted.
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Originally Posted by gnome
OK, I just got an EMAIL reply from the building owner... we're meeting next week. I will likely be involved with any tours.
I wouldn't be worried about the tours costing some outrageous amount... they won't
Also, the scope of the tours has not been determined. I highly doubt any previous public or semi-public tours have viewed very much of the closed off areas of the theatre. There is no electricity in much of those areas, which would make a hard hat [[plus flashlight) a necessity [[a miners hat with light would be ideal). And then there are some debris issues in a few areas that might require some remediation before any kind of tour goes traipsing thru dark areas where stairways have no handrails.
I'm not very familiar with these tours, but with this building in particular is there much to tour left?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
How long would one of these tours last?
Answers to DetroitDad's inquiries....
How much was he charging for tours?
ANSWER: He's never provided formal tours... just a quick look at the main floor former lobby, and the top of the parking deck in the former auditorium.... just an overview. Only Preservation Wayne and Inside Detroit have given lobby/auditorium ONLY tours as part of larger tour packages... with either Preservation Wayne or Inside Detroit guiding the way. And outside of those... most tours just involve the building owner, his son, or possibly his secretary, giving a quick lobby/auditorium overview.
Why hasn't he raised prices in line with the increased demand for the limitied supply?
ANSWER: Since there haven't been formal tours, there have been no formal pricing... many times he's taken time out of his busy schedule to take out of towners on a quick viewing of the lobby/auditorium.
Would sale of current tour openings be enough to make the garage/theater venue safer for larger scale public tours?
ANSWER: This spike in tour requests is a recent phenomenom... probably helped out by the surge in movies and TV shows filmed inside.. as well as DYES. Any expansion into the closed off areas would likely require adding electricity to those areas, as well as providing some sort of railings... and that would open up an entire new can-o-worms as far as city permits, etc., are concerned.
Why has a auto response on a free e-mail account not yet been established [[five to ten minutes of work on Google Gmail, or Yahoo Mail)?
ANSWER: Although they often get phone inquiries of folks wanting to view the lobby and auditorium... it has never gotten out of hand as it has recently. Your suggestion might be taken up.
Can't say how long a tour would last... depends on what is being viewed... yet to be determined....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared9903
As for is there much left to tour... see images in this thread...
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthread.php?t=5046
Oh, I see, thank you for the fast response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
I've parked in there once, so I have seen the auditorium, but I didnt know anything other than that remained.
Okay Gistok, the $35 million question; "what is the likelihood or possibility of the Michigan Theater ever being restored and used as a theater instead of a parking garage?"
I'm not Gistok, but I think we all know the answer to that question. 0% - it's too far gone to restore - however, there are many things that can be done with it to use it to in it's present state, or portions of restoration. I don't think anyone ever expects the auditorium or lobby be restored - the Uptown here in Chicago is very well preserved, but even it will take about $80 million to restore. Restoring the Michigan to former glory would never make sense, and would cost hundreds of millions of dollars. This is no United Artists. There's more of that theatre than there is of this....but who knows what this attention could spur. Perhaps there will be an encore for the Michigan in some manner other than parking :)
The Uptown in Chicago's north end is an enormous theatre, like the Michigan. I hadn't heard about a $80 restoration... but there is a $70 million restoration planned for Loew's Kings Theatre in Brooklyn NY. Barbara Streisand was an usher at Loew's Kings when she was a teenager... Here's a story about that theatre and its' upcoming restoration... including a slide show...
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/ny...ings.html?_r=1
The Michigan would be a major undertaking costing over $100 million. They would first have to rebuild the balcony and mezzanine levels, add the grand staircase... and then search the country for other Rapp & Rapp theatres for some of the plaster decorative features that were used at the Michigan [[and reused elsewhere).
The only way it could ever be restored is if the Ford Foundation and Ford Family toghether coughed up the bucks to create "the flagship" of all "Ford Center's for the Performing Arts [[they have them in NYC, Chicago, Toronto and Vancouver). The largest of them is the 3000 seat Chicago Oriental [[Ford Center)... a Detroit Ford Center could seat 4000. But that's just a pipe dream... since there's no current demand for the additional performance space.
This idea was floated on here awhile ago. My understanding is that it is too expensive to insure, not really big enough, and otherwise not in the right kind of shape needed to use for that purpose.
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Originally Posted by izzyindetroit
Sign me up for a tour if it goes behind the scenes. I have a hardhat and flashlight and money.
Damn it........Quote:
Originally Posted by gnome
Did anyone here interpret my remarks on this topic to be nasty or out of line? Apparently Lowell thought so and deleted them. I may now be persona non grata at DY. I made them all in fun. Hmmmmm...
1KielsonDrive... you can still post... LOL....
...now as penance.... you'll have to show up for the tour[[s).
Per a conversation I've had in the past with Mr. Pieroni... any DetroitYES type tour, would likely result in some contributions for running the DYES forum.
Apparently I'm still in good graces. I'll pass on the tour - I parked, toured and hung out in that theatre/garage for most of 15 years. It's a very interesting ruin, but holds little intrigue for me. BTW, the guy who conducted tours of the theatre/garage from my business during the 80's and 90's, just left my present business about 20 minutes ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
I'd have to pass too. I prefer to remember it as it was. Not the shell it is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive
I think it is because you aren't carrying Faygo yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive
I'd love to have Faygo. Meanwhile, apparently Faygo isn't to impressed with doing business with me. They had many chances to return calls or stop by with price/products lists, and they've yet to respond - almost a year later. I didn't see them at the annual restaurant show this year, so I wasn't able to bring it up again. I did carry their product for while - purchased at Meijer or Kroger. Give me a heads up and I'll do a special request pick-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by East Detroit
I spoke to the aggrieved party - a long time, dear friend. I was told that what I said was taken as in insult. I apologized, though I stated, as I did here, that my remarks were meant in humour and fun. That was true. Regardless, they were taken wrong. Not the first time I've remarked and got a different reaction than I expected. I can't say something similar won't ever happen again because I truly meant it in all good fun. I'm sorry about this.
Gistok...
Put me down for a tour. I've only been in the theatre once [[and never on a tour) so I am definitely interested in taking a tour!
Kathleen
Old Michigan Theater offers dramatic place for Lions tailgaters to party
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...te=fullarticle
Photos: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/g...he-citys-ruins
Why search for this topic when it's on the front page!!
I found this December 21, 2010 article at Jalopnik. Now the rest of America also knows the classiest parking lot of all time!