"Old" Westside neighborhood bars, bakery's and more

Greetings!

The other night I went to Skippers “Hamtown� to check it out and after talking to Skipper about the bars in my neighborhood I was inspired to take some pics and post them here.

My neighborhood is what some of you consider “old� Westside. I have lived near Michigan Ave. and Central for nearly 20 years. What I love about my neighborhood is the diversity. It is an old Polish neighborhood with a few Polish businesses still around. We have a great mix of Latino, white, black, Arabic and eastern Europeans. The Latino population has invested greatly in the neighborhood and has basically saved the area in my opinion. Unfortunately the latest recession has hurt a bit around here as I have seen more vacant/burnt houses.

In its heyday there were businesses on almost every residential corner. Many are long gone/bricked up and converted to flats and some remain. In the early 90’s I lived on 51st. just south of Michigan Ave and from my flat there were literally 6 bars within 2 blocks of my house.[[Southwest Lounge, Red’s Drive-in Bar, The Alaska, Hard Body, R&R, and the Freer Bar) The house I lived in I suspect was a blind pig back in the day. There was an old tunnel going from the basement to the garage. [[pic of the house below) The front of that house at the time was a beauty parlor run by an older polish lady. Now I live off Central north of McGraw.

I am looking forward to possibly hearing some stories about these places, let me know if I am missing any and I will try to get a pic.

I’ll start with the Michigan avenue Bars. Here is Brent’s place at the corner of Michigan and Addison;
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The Celebrity Bar and Grill just east of Lonyo;
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One of my favorites, the Cas Bar at Casper[[this place is open at 7am!!)
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Here is the Alaskan bar just east of Central;
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A few blocks down there is the freer Bar;
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A few more blocks to the east is the long gone Toby’s bar;
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There are 2 Bars on Central that I know of and here is Red’s Park-in Bar near St. Stephen;
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Here is General George S. Patton Lounge and Hall on Central just north of Michigan. I believe this place was mostly rented out but I have noticed in the last few years they seem to be open all the time.
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South of Michigan in the neighborhood at the corner of Freer and St. John is the Southwest lounge. It is still open. When I lived near there at the time this was a neighborhood gang spot where the “Waldo Boys” used to hang out. They never messed with me but they still made me uncomfortable so I only went there a few times. [[same with the freer bar)
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Now we will go a bit north of Michigan Ave, over the freeway at McGraw and Central stands this formerly beautiful building that some a-hole painted and ran a dollar store there for less than a year. I was so upset when I saw them painting it. I cant remember the name of the place but it was another hall that I think had a bar. I’m sure someone here will remember what it was.
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Down McGraw going east is the old Dare Bar, now turned into the “Caribbean club� they also have pool tables upstairs. The club was booming for a while but now it is sporadic. I wish I had an old pic of the sign. That place was stylin back in the day!
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South of McGraw at the corner of Chopin and Panama is the old “Panama� bar now called the La Sierra
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I had to include this pic of the house across the street from the La Sierra. A few years back this house had an 8’ chain link fence with barbed wire completely surrounding it. All the 1st floor windows were blocked up. As you can see it formerly had a business in it as well.
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Going down Panama over to Proctor stands the famous “Supreme Bakery�
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Across from the Supreme Bakery you have Mother’s Bar;
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North of McGraw there is the classic, now closed Aloha Lounge at the corner of Chopin and Wagner;
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Here is a pic of the Lombardia Bakery on Proctor and Kirkwood. Previously this was a Polish bakery.
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Last but not least is another business in the hood;
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Whoa.. I forgot the infamous gay bar on Michigan Ave; "R&R"
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And my old place with the tunnel [[garage now gone)
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wow, these are excellent photos. I don't often travel the side streets in SW Detroit, I am usually on the main thoroughfares. thanks for posting some of these. I love neighborhood pubs and businesses. There is nothing like that where I live in the burbs.

My husband grew up in the general vicinity [[Michigan and Livernois). His dad used to drink at the Cas bar in the old days. 50's, 60's. His mom's family owned the Ozga Bakery on Livernois back then too. His Aunts and grandparents lived closer to Junction and used to eat at the Michigan Coney and Starlite. Great old neighborhood.

I went into Mateja & Sons [[advertised on the Cas Bar building) once before it moved out to the suburbs. Can't remember if I bought anything.

I ate at Claire's OK. Really good pierogi and it was a cool old place. I was sorry when it closed. Are there any Polish restaurants left in the area? I remember that place that was once on McGraw. Called something like Golden Ducking?

Did you ever go to that Italian restaurant that some family ran out of their house in SW?

What's the Cas Bar like? It looks like it's for sale. I've always been fascinated by the bars in that area, but I've never gone in one. I always wanted to go in that one with all the crazy velvet painting that became kind of a hipster joint for a while, but never did.

I always loved driving around there and looking at the old signs and houses. I knew someone whose family had a business near Buck's Eat Shop. Think it was on Central. I told him there was something alluringly creepy about the area around there. He told me there was a grisly murder at that restaurant.

Wow, that Aloha Lounge looks amazingly cool.

How would you say this area compares to say Hubbard Farms and the rest of SW as far as livability/viability?

Not the same area, but speaking of bakeries, I really miss the sourdough rye bread from Chamberlain bakery. I went down to the Chamberlain once, hoping to find more delicacies and was amused to see it was just the front of a house and only had the rye bread and some doughnuts for sale.

Starlite is a Polish restaurant and it's still open. It's on Michigan between Central and Cecil

Yes the Starlite. I have been eating perogies from there for a long time although its been a while. Not sure if the place on McGraw was named the"golden duckling" or not but that turned into a mexican restaurant a few years ago. I'll get a pic. The place had a bunch of red eagles on it.

The cas bar is a total dive. place looks like it hasnt changed in years.

The area used to be worse than Hubbard Farms but sort of bounced back with the influx of so many Latinos. IMO it is very livable. I bought my house 12 years ago and have never been robbed, broken into, jacked, etc. [[knock on wood) I love my neighborhood, i dont care what anybody says!!! I am also raising 3 children here who all attend DPS schools and they are getting a great education.

Is the Italian restaurant run out of a home named Vince's on Springwells? I think that was a former home.

Grew up in that neighborhood - near Warren and Livernois. Went to that "Ukrainian" school on Clippert and Edward [[St. John's). There's a group on facebook - The Old St. Andrew's Neighborhood in Detroit - 48210" - they have photos too...Thanx for your photos!

I went to the Franko Bar one Saturday afternoon after the market. It was in a house right in the middle of the block on St. John between Martin & Apple. The front door was locked and as I started to walk away, this old dude comes running from across the street saying "I got the key". We went in and had a great time. Bing's aerial map shows it torn down, and Google's street view is what my vision looked like after I left. There was also Tony Michno's place. Actually, his dad's place, Michno's, on Central by Waldo. I don't think they ever had an ice machine in it before they closed.

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Is the Italian restaurant run out of a home named Vince's on Springwells? I think that was a former home.

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No, it was an illegal restaurant that a family ran out of their house, I think in the late 80s or early 90s. It started getting good reviews in the newspaper, so maybe the attention got it shut down.

I just noticed that those streets are named Chopin & Wagner, like the composers. Let me guess...is Chopin pronounced "Choppin"?

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No, it was an illegal restaurant that a family ran out of their house, I think in the late 80s or early 90s. It started getting good reviews in the newspaper, so maybe the attention got it shut down.

I just noticed that those streets are named Chopin & Wagner, like the composers. Let me guess...is Chopin pronounced "Choppin"?

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It could be around here, but it's really 'Showpan' if that's what you're asking.

No, I know how Chopin [[as in the composer) is pronounced. I just figured in Detroitese the street might be pronounced "Choppin" - kinda like how a French word like "Gratiot" ends up being pronounced "Grah-shit".

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Originally Posted by Rosa

No, I know how Chopin [[as in the composer) is pronounced. I just figured in Detroitese the street might be pronounced "Choppin" - kinda like how a French word like "Gratiot" ends up being pronounced "Grah-shit".

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OK, I wasn't sure. And when talking about screwed up French words don't forget 'Livernoise'

My husband's grandparents lived across the street from Franko's. I think Grandpa was friends with the owner back then. They used to have great Friday fish fry.

I have always pronounced it "showpin"

Thanks for the link Detroit_uke, i'll check out the 48210 on facebook

Maple Leaf Rag - I love that Frankos was in the middle of the street! I never heard of it or mitchnos. i will drive over there and take look to see if mitchos is still there. When did they close?


BTW- here is a pic of the mexican restaurant La Rosita on McGraw that used to be a polish restaurant
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I have always pronounced it "showpin"

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Fair enough. I have been meaning to try the kielbasa at Markowycz's, so I think I'll hit the Starlite while in the neighborhood. Is Supreme Bakery still good?

I've never been to Supreme but the kielbasa at Markowycz's is very good, albeit pretty expensive. I think it was somewhere around $6 a lb when I was there last Christmas. I bought the smoked.

Still miss the old Senate Coney next to the theatre, and the Pure Food Bakery.

Is George's Coney still any good?

Thanks for the great collection of SWD corner bars. In my twenty years on and off in SWD, I've been to a few. The Dare had some pretty cool 40's deco decor, The Alaskan used to have the coolest motorized chair behind the bar, enabling the bartender to whiz up and down a set of rails to attend customers, all the while comfortably seated. Not pictured: Two of my faves, the Cozy Cove on Otis and Gilbert, which was a hangout for aficionados of Pigeon Racing, and Lenik's on....was it Martin?

Never went into the RR, as it was some kinda gay cowboy bar, but went there as a kid when it was Clare's OK Restaurant, a Polish restaurant.

Absolutely fabulous tour DonPablo! SW Detroit has so much color.

DonPablo, you're making me homesick. Lived in that neighborhood from the early '90s until 3 years ago. In fact my house was just across Panama from the old place with the glass block windows in your photo, a block east of Supreme Bakery.

I think the crummy looking dollar store used to be John Wayne Bar. I used to frequent Red's, Dare Bar, Cas Bar and Patton PLAV. Mother's across from Supreme Bakery and Stempien's Sidestreet Lounge on Martin south of Michigan are worth a mention. Martha, the regular night time bartender at Mother's can really belt out the old country tunes. It's in her blood... she's related to the Stanley Brothers. Stempien's is the friendliest place I found in the area. Kenny Stempien is a really sweet guy and they serve some killer burgers... Stump Burgers! The Alaskan Bar used to have a giant mural of a sled dog race on the wall across from the bar. Last time I went in the new owner painted over the mural with stark white paint and was playing Euro techo super loud. Like I said, it was the last time! I think the mural was painted by a semi-famous neighborhood artist, whose name escapes me. He may have painted the interior of the old Carnival Bar by Clark Park. Maybe barnesfoto knows who it is.

I think the Tarnow Outlet used to be the Tarnow Bakery. Seems like that place opened and closed several times while I lived in the area, maybe even burned once.

According to Yelp, Stempien's is closed:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/stempiens-si...lounge-detroit

Mother's sounds cool though. Where else in SW has a great burger?

The Aloha Bar had to be the swankest place in the neighborhood. Martini glass neons in the windows, beautiful blonde bar and furniture with lime green upholstery. Tiny stage with a piano right by the front door, dance floor surrounded by a raised up area with booths. Total time warp back to the 1930s. Too bad the old drunk bat that owned it was so cranky. One time I went in there with my girl and she accused us of trying to sell drugs. The thing is, there was no one in the bar but us, her and her son tending bar. Her son started yelling, "You gotta stop accusing people of that! You want people to come in here, dontcha?" Needless to say, I didn't stop in too often. Later, a Mexican dude by the name of Angel bought the place. He ended up getting shot in the spine by a richocheting bullet when a gang-related fight broke out in his place. That was about a week after the last time I set foot in there. Glad I wasn't around for that, the place was getting sketchy, anyway. I recall a hand scralled note taped to the bar mirror: "Mens keep your hands off other mens womens" Sticks in my memory for some reason.

Another cool place was the Just For One Bar on Central south of Michigan. They had a beautiful German stained glass behind a dark mahogany bar. Spent the first night of the blackout trying to help them finish off their beer before it got warm!

Rosa, try Abick's Bar near the post office on Livernois. Corner of Dennis and Gilbert.

What a shame about Stempien's, if Yelp is right. I was there not too long ago.

donpablo- Michno's is no longer there. They moved to Redford - 5 Mile and Beech Daly. I believe the Michno's on Central ended up being called the Just For One I mentioned, but I'm not positive.

Donpablo, thanks for the nice pictures and descriptions. It's nice to hear that you've enjoyed living and raising kids in the city. I'm still in college so it's years off, and unless it's a problem with the future Mrs., I've always had your area at the top of my list of possible neighbourhoods to buy a house in someday. I usually take Michigan Avenue to go downtown and the streetscape between Wyoming and Livernois [[can't say the same for east of Livernois and west of Corktown) looks to be in good condition - open businesses and many people out and walking about. Hopefully things remain stable or get better in the upcoming years.

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Is George's Coney still any good?

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I think it's been absolutely terrible for about 20 years. After the origional owners son sold it, the food became awful.

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I think it's been absolutely terrible for about 20 years. After the origional owners son sold it, the food became awful.

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That's too bad. I really liked it way back when
Thanks

I've been trying to perfect George's chili ever since John sold the place. When I was PG I lived on George's coneys. The recipe has finely crumbled ground beef, finely chopped onion, lots of cumin and other mysterious spices to give it flavor and color, NO tomatoes. I don't know what the liquid was, beef broth, water? I use beer. I've gotten close, but not right on. I think the guys who worked there were all from the same country. Was it Albania? The one guy with the hole in his head, with his "Four on Two, Two heavy, Ships!" was iconic.

Thanks for those pix. I remember taking my kid, who was about 4 y/o at the time, to preschool downtown travelling Mich Ave because of construction on the freeways. He was beginning to read, & one evening while driving home, he kept reading the word "bar" on the all the bar signs on Mich. As we neared Lonyo, he noticed he'd been reading "bar" alot and asked me "Mom why are there so many bars here? Every street has a bar, why is that?". :rolleyes: The things kids say.

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I’ll start with the Michigan avenue Bars. Here is Brent’s place at the corner of Michigan and Addison;
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Didn't this used to be the Kress Lounge about 20 years ago?

No, the Kress was by Lonyo. There was a big picture window with a fabulous neon sign in the window. with "Kress" in cursive. The couple that owned it retired and moved to Florida. Everything in the bar was sold, including the impressive bar. I wonder who bought the neon sign.

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I've never been to Supreme but the kielbasa at Markowycz's is very good, albeit pretty expensive. I think it was somewhere around $6 a lb when I was there last Christmas. I bought the smoked.

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$6.00 a pound is a steal. You probably know that and you're likely commenting in relative terms. I bought some smoked sausage at Koptyko's in Hamtown recently. I think it was considerably more than $6.00 a pound. I think I paid almost $30.00 for a little over 2 pounds. It was sooooo good, I've been back a few times. It's a great snack or meal. Markowycz's is very similar in that it is all homemade and labor intensive. If you've noticed, most of the big meat company stuff out there is all pretty much the same. I think they make it all in one batch and then add some flavorings and call it 'brats', or Italian, or whatever.

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No, the Kress was by Lonyo. There was a big picture window with a fabulous neon sign in the window. with "Kress" in cursive. The couple that owned it retired and moved to Florida. Everything in the bar was sold, including the impressive bar. I wonder who bought the neon sign.

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I remember that big neon sign. My dad & I went in there for a beer once. For a while I lived downriver. When I got back to living in this area, Kress was gone, & I keep trying to remember where it stood. Although Addison is only a few blocks west of Lonyo. I'll have to drive by there again.

I don't buy at the 'big meat companies'; I usually go to the Polish Market and buy out of their meat counter. You can get some really good chopped, not ground, sausages for as little as 2.79 a pound. They have Wedding Sausage for around 3.79 lb as well as about 15 other varieties, fresh and smoked, ranging from the above mentioned 2.79 up to about 5.99.

This thread reminds me of some of my best times in Detroit. I love the southwest and west sides. Last fall during the Jazz Fest, a friend and I decided to do a 'Dive' crawl, which we do periodically. I started at the Jazz Fest in the afternoon. We rendezvoused in Hamtown for a few stops and then headed over to a few bars near the Ford Rouge and Patton Park. After those stops we headed back downtown to the Jazz Fest and a walk around downtown. We capped the night with Telway burgers and coffee on our favorite perch, watching the street, night life along Michigan Avenue. What a day and night. Doesn't get better. That stretch of Michigan Avenue is an urban delight. As Don Pablo said, the Mexican's have saved that neighborhood, much as they've done with the Vernor corridor.

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I remember that big neon sign. My dad & I went in there for a beer once. For a while I lived downriver. When I got back to living in this area, Kress was gone, & I keep trying to remember where it stood. Although Addison is only a few blocks west of Lonyo. I'll have to drive by there again.

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Look for the middle of the used car lot. There's an indent in the curb where the street used to be. That's where the Kress was located.

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I’ll start with the Michigan avenue Bars. Here is Brent’s place at the corner of Michigan and Addison;
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Didn't this used to be the Kress Lounge about 20 years ago?

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The Kress was torn down by the dealership [[used to be Jerry Bielfield Ford), at Michigan and Lonyo, for their expanded used car lot.

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I don't buy at the 'big meat companies'; I usually go to the Polish Market and buy out of their meat counter. You can get some really good chopped, not ground, sausages for as little as 2.79 a pound. They have Wedding Sausage for around 3.79 lb as well as about 15 other varieties, fresh and smoked, ranging from the above mentioned 2.79 up to about 5.99.

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Right on jcole, that is some good stuff.

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Absolutely fabulous tour DonPablo! SW Detroit has so much color.

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Thanks Lowell. It would be even more colorful on a bright summer day. It was pretty dreary out when i took the pics.

princealbert- I love the stories! Especially the sliding bartenders chair in the Alaskan and the old lady at the Aloha.

1KielsonDrive - dive crawls are always fun except for the fact that you usually cant find a dark beer! Everyone loves the Telway, it seems many find themselves there after a good night at the bar!

I will try to get some pics of some of the closed down joints some of you have mentioned here

Thanks everyone for your replies!!

Having got to know a bit about that area in the 15 or so year I was in and out of that place.While a few places are gone alot still remain. The Kress was an Old Timers Bar, according to my "gramps" Who lived in that area for 60+yrs.
I read were the bar ended up north in a vacation home.

I grew up in that area in the 60's and 70's and a few places come to mind.
- Michno's Cafe on the corner of Central and St. Stephens
- The Softball Bar on the corner of Freer and St John
- bar on the corner of Central and St John [[can't remember name)
- Who could forget the 52nd Show Bar on Michigan and 52nd. Remember as kid the ad in front for 'Antoinette the MonkeyLady". I was eight when the Tigers won the World Series in '68 and people were celebrating on Michigan Ave. A friend and I dared each other and we went into the place and each got a bag of chips and I still remember the gal dancing on stage at the time.
- There was a bar next to Piaskowski Drugs on Michigan that had a shuffleboard table game that we played on many times.
- I think it was the El Dorado Bar on the corner of Michigan and Livernois. Used to stop in and buy french fries in their restaurant on the way home from Boys Club.
- Don't know the name, but there was a go-go bar on the north side of Michigan between Martin and Livernois that had a series of torches on the front of the building. I remember driving past at night with my dad and the front was lit with the flaming torches.

Here are some other businesses that come to mind;
-White Tower Burgers on Central and Michigan. Cunninghams-later DOTS drugs, Neisners Dime Store, A clothing store next to a jewelery store [[can't remember names), Plizga Shoes, Jaworski's Deli, Piaskowski Drugs, Darpol Travel, 5 and 10 Dime Store, Sgt Russ Barbershop, Polys Hardware, Gniewak Trophy Shop, a hardware store on 52nd and Michigan, Banner Grocery and right next door was a magazine store where I bought many a comic book.

I'd like others to share memories of the area.

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... There are 2 Bars on Central that I know of and here is Red’s Park-in Bar near St. Stephen;....

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I knew the owners of Red's, the Davises - I think Jimmy may own it now, not sure if Mr. Davis is still around. A good friend of mine lived around the corner from them, used to hang out at their house sometimes [[near Schoolcraft and Southfield). Went to Reds one time with that friend after a Tigers game back in the mid 80s. We never had to buy a beer -customers knew we were friends of Jimmy's, kept sending beers over to us. Lots of good old boys hanging out there - the Davises were from Tennessee. The 'special' whiskey came out later, after many beers.

Supreme Bakery is still good - great rye bread and pastries.
Feel bad that there is so much dumping in that area, behind
Mothers and all the way up to Central. Creeps me out when I
go there to buy my weekly bread. At one time, in addition to the bars along that stretch of Michigan, were bridal shops. Had my wedding gown made in a shop across from the 52nd
show bar - back when it was a piano bar and very classy. I
sort of remember that the bridal shop became a twister lounge.

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Thanks Lowell. It would be even more colorful on a bright summer day. It was pretty dreary out when i took the pics.

princealbert- I love the stories! Especially the sliding bartenders chair in the Alaskan and the old lady at the Aloha.

1KielsonDrive - dive crawls are always fun except for the fact that you usually cant find a dark beer! Everyone loves the Telway, it seems many find themselves there after a good night at the bar!

I will try to get some pics of some of the closed down joints some of you have mentioned here

Thanks everyone for your replies!!

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Yup. You're correct. So I usually settle for a Pabst. Which, by the way, was for many years only available in true dives. Now, it's everywhere. Good. You can get whatever you like at my place. Tell me and I'll order it. I'm hoping to put a real nice draught systen in within a year. Let's see how business goes.

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Supreme Bakery is still good - great rye bread and pastries.
Feel bad that there is so much dumping in that area, behind
Mothers and all the way up to Central. Creeps me out when I
go there to buy my weekly bread. At one time, in addition to the bars along that stretch of Michigan, were bridal shops. Had my wedding gown made in a shop across from the 52nd
show bar - back when it was a piano bar and very classy. I
sort of remember that the bridal shop became a twister lounge.

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That's good to hear. I will stop there. I've heard about all the bridal shops on Michigan. My Mom's family is from Downriver, but that was where you went to buy your wedding dress. That whole stretch was basically Hamtramck West.

Abicks is a class act.
I miss Softball Bar, Milos Sugar Shack, Ralphs Picture Bar
And Gannons on the Highway.!

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Originally Posted by Rosa

Fair enough. I have been meaning to try the kielbasa at Markowycz's, so I think I'll hit the Starlite while in the neighborhood. Is Supreme Bakery still good?

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I go to Supreme 5 or 6 xs a mth...RYE BREAD!!!!!

I thought about buying a place down that way a while back.While I spent more time south of John Kronk. Had to go up to the Avenue for most things.Of all the places I have spent time in the CIty of Detroit, This area was the interesting of all.

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$6.00 a pound is a steal. You probably know that and you're likely commenting in relative terms. I bought some smoked sausage at Koptyko's in Hamtown recently. I think it was considerably more than $6.00 a pound. I think I paid almost $30.00 for a little over 2 pounds. It was sooooo good, I've been back a few times. It's a great snack or meal. Markowycz's is very similar in that it is all homemade and labor intensive. If you've noticed, most of the big meat company stuff out there is all pretty much the same. I think they make it all in one batch and then add some flavorings and call it 'brats', or Italian, or whatever.

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I've been buying the fresh and smoked kielbasa for my family at Dearborn Sausage on Wyoming lately. It's very good, and considerably less than what you paid. A 5 lb box of fresh was $19.45. Smoked is $19.95. Look at www.dearbornbrand.com

What strikes me the most, with my European eyes, is sometimes the complete lack of windows. Is that for safety or mandatory by law or something?

My regular stop.
[[Come to think of ot, this could also be one of the Detroit bars. Also a complete lack of windows. ;) )
http://www.kroegenweb.nl/kroegfotos/10036-1.jpg

More on the latin side of SW Detroit... I remember there used to be a bar called "Brisas del Mariel".
I was told the bar was opened after Fidel Castro allowed some prisoners to free from Cuba [[Los Marielitos).

I believe there used to be another bar in front of Armando's Restaurant and Clark Park [[on W. Vernor). I don't remember the name... I've just seen that it became a bakery now... I think it was a good change since that bar used to attract a lot of strange people...)

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What strikes me the most, with my European eyes, is sometimes the complete lack of windows. Is that for safety or mandatory by law or something?

My regular stop.
[[Come to think of ot, this could also be one of the Detroit bars. Also a complete lack of windows. ;) )
http://www.kroegenweb.nl/kroegfotos/10036-1.jpg

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People like to drink in dark places and if you can't see if it's day or night, you're less likely to care what time it is. It's like the casinos. No clocks, no windows.

Why no windows in the bars - My opinion is - that way back then everybody walked everywhere. Everything you needed was in walking distance...and you didn't want your kids to see you In the bar when they were walking past.....

does anyone rember the 7,11 & the sail inn bars?

Thanks for the memories as these were bars in the neighborhood I grew up in and actually went to most of them in my time living in Detroit. The bar that is on Freer & St. John used to be the Softball bar when I lived there and is just around the corner from the house I grew up in and must have changed names recently as I was in Detroit close to 2 years ago. It was a blast from the past seeing all the old haunts.:)

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does anyone rember the 7,11 & the sail inn bars?

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Yes I do remember the Sail in as I used to say sail in crawl out:D

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More on the latin side of SW Detroit... I remember there used to be a bar called "Brisas del Mariel".
I was told the bar was opened after Fidel Castro allowed some prisoners to free from Cuba [[Los Marielitos).

I believe there used to be another bar in front of Armando's Restaurant and Clark Park [[on W. Vernor). I don't remember the name... I've just seen that it became a bakery now... I think it was a good change since that bar used to attract a lot of strange people...)

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There was a bar further west on Vernor that looked like it had cool lighting inside - I only saw it from the street - was it the WVS?

A guy told me years ago there was a place on Michigan that served a drink called a "Flaming Ruby" that they lit on fire, but he may have been pulling my leg.

There was a place around Livernois and Michigan called the Cermak or something, but I don't think it's there anymore.

I believe that the Sail In was next to Piaskowski Drugs on Michigan Ave. They had a nice shuffleboard table in there.

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I grew up in that area in the 60's and 70's and a few places come to mind.
- Michno's Cafe on the corner of Central and St. Stephens
- The Softball Bar on the corner of Freer and St John
- bar on the corner of Central and St John [[can't remember name)
- Who could forget the 52nd Show Bar on Michigan and 52nd. Remember as kid the ad in front for 'Antoinette the MonkeyLady". I was eight when the Tigers won the World Series in '68 and people were celebrating on Michigan Ave. A friend and I dared each other and we went into the place and each got a bag of chips and I still remember the gal dancing on stage at the time.
- There was a bar next to Piaskowski Drugs on Michigan that had a shuffleboard table game that we played on many times.
- I think it was the El Dorado Bar on the corner of Michigan and Livernois. Used to stop in and buy french fries in their restaurant on the way home from Boys Club.
- Don't know the name, but there was a go-go bar on the north side of Michigan between Martin and Livernois that had a series of torches on the front of the building. I remember driving past at night with my dad and the front was lit with the flaming torches.

Here are some other businesses that come to mind;
-White Tower Burgers on Central and Michigan. Cunninghams-later DOTS drugs, Neisners Dime Store, A clothing store next to a jewelery store [[can't remember names), Plizga Shoes, Jaworski's Deli, Piaskowski Drugs, Darpol Travel, 5 and 10 Dime Store, Sgt Russ Barbershop, Polys Hardware, Gniewak Trophy Shop, a hardware store on 52nd and Michigan, Banner Grocery and right next door was a magazine store where I bought many a comic book.

I'd like others to share memories of the area.

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The bar on the corner of Central & St. John was the called Sly's Saloon when I lived in Detroit. I left home in 1982.

Does anybody remember the Time Out or Tip Top bars neither of which are still there:[[

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What strikes me the most, with my European eyes, is sometimes the complete lack of windows. Is that for safety or mandatory by law or something?

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Bars in the U.S. are traditionally mostly built to be dark, with few windows to the outside, somewhat like the pubs in England and Ireland from which they descend. You have to keep in mind the historical controversy over saloons in the U.S. and the American history of prohibition. Drinking could be considered something shameful [[and for more than a decade illegal) and was not something you necessarily wanted your neighbors, employers, friends, and relatives to see you doing.

Then, as jcole said, bar owners also discovered that it was financially beneficial to seal their customers off as much as possible from the outside world and the regular passage of time. That way they would be more likely to stay and party, or at least have another round or two. And, finally, in Detroit you have the added thought of giving potential thieves fewer places to break in from, which is why so many commercial establishments in the city, from bars to stores, are built like windowless bunkers, sometimes complete with razor wire fences on the roof.

Charlie's Bar on Springwells is a nice break from windowless and dark bars. The lady that owns it renovated it with plenty of windows. They restored the old bar nicely, it has atmosphere. She told me that the tin ceilings were damaged by a fire and she couldn't save them, that it broke her heart to remove them.

Just a thumbs up to Charlie's Bar - now back to MI Ave.

was just at Abicks, real nice!

Forgot about the bars on Springwells, Charlies was a good place the few times I was there. Youre right about the windows deal. Haven't been in alot of bars with windows now I think of it.

Wow, thanks for the photos. This is my old neighborhood. I grew up in the 70s on 35th Street between Rich and Haratio--3 blocks from Michigan Ave. I remember lots of neighborhood bars, but the ones' that my friends and I hung out at most was: "Function at the Junction" on Jackson and Junction, the "Peace Forever Bar" on Michigan and military, the "Carnival Bar" on Vernor and Clark and "Zadapies" [[not sure of the spelling) on Vernor Highway. In the summer we mostly hung out in Clark’s Park. Our neighborhood bakery was on the corner of Buchanan and North Campbell. We ran a security guard company –King’s Security. We had all the really cool concert halls in the area like Eastown, the hall on 24th and Vernor, Goose Lake…so concerts were priority to me. We also had Detroit Dragway— Don Prudhomme’s Snake and Raymond Beatle’s Blue Max was the bomb.
Thank you, Johnnie Sue Bridges

On the way to school, used to walk past the Skyliner on 35th and Herbert. Lots of windows and a nice neon sign. Right at the bus stop.

There was a bar on 33rd and Herbert that that Mom and Dad used to walk to.

Frankie's was in the neighborhood.

Bar on the corner of 35th and Horatio. Cannot remember the name.

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On the way to school, used to walk past the Skyliner on 35th and Herbert. Lots of windows and a nice neon sign. Right at the bus stop.

There was a bar on 33rd and Herbert that that Mom and Dad used to walk to.

Frankie's was in the neighborhood.

Bar on the corner of 35th and Horatio. Cannot remember the name.

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Hi Ronald,
You are so right, there was a bar on practically every corner. Us youngins didn't fraternize the corner bars much, unless we were looking for a family member or a friend's family member. LOL

Can someone confirm [[or deny) that Stempien's is, in fact, closed? That is/was a great neighborhood bar.

Fury- Stempien's is, in fact, open. I just enjoyed a cold one there this afternoon with my better half. Unfortunately, Mother's Bar across from Supreme Bakery is permanently closed as of yesterday.

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I have always pronounced it "showpin"

Thanks for the link Detroit_uke, i'll check out the 48210 on facebook

Maple Leaf Rag - I love that Frankos was in the middle of the street! I never heard of it or mitchnos. i will drive over there and take look to see if mitchos is still there. When did they close?


BTW- here is a pic of the mexican restaurant La Rosita on McGraw that used to be a polish restaurant
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When first opened their menu was "Broasted Chicken" It was started and owned by The same guy who had "Stan's Whip and Whirl"

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Fury- Stempien's is, in fact, open. I just enjoyed a cold one there this afternoon with my better half. Unfortunately, Mother's Bar across from Supreme Bakery is permanently closed as of yesterday.

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That's good to hear. Yelp.com still shows Stempien's as being closed. Though I doubt that most people who go to Stempien's hear about it on Yelp.

I gotta say that the Aloha Bar looks killer. I would have loved to ante up in a place like that based on the outside alone. I'd love to see the inside.

I'm trying to recall the name of a bar I went to a few years back [[6+). It closed shortly afterwards and was on Michigan [[I think the north side but I forget the cross streets). It was very Rat Packesque on the inside with lots of red, velour and Spanish-style topless paintings from the 60's. They played old vocal standards [[completely appropriate) and was a great spot. I never had an opportunity to go back before they closed and am still kicking myself for it. Does this hodgepodge of info jog anyone's memory?

Great thread...have family that grew up in that immediate area...

Does anyone happen to remember the bar that was located at McGraw/Springwells? It was located on the northeast corner and directly across the street from the now LaRosita restaurant [[see post #20 in the thread from DonPablo). I know the building is now painted gray and is a hair salon or something...any pics/history/info would be awesome...

Also, anymore info/history/pics on the polish restaurant that is now LaRosita...? I remember something about a big fire there back in the early 80's...

Used to be lots of bars along McGraw between Livernois-Wyoming, none left now.

I think the bar on NE corner of McGraw/Springwells was the John Wayne, it was open till 90's, and the building had two parts, the bar and dance hall, so it could have been converted into 2 storefronts..

The Polish restaurant- I think it was called Golden Rooster. It didn't last too long. Opened late 70's., closed by maybe 1990. The inside decor was interesting. Waterfalls, statues, paintings all over. But the place never did a good enough business to 'pay off'. BTW- it was also owned by Stan's Whip & Whirl, and I think the Olympia radiator shop also.

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I gotta say that the Aloha Bar looks killer. I would have loved to ante up in a place like that based on the outside alone. I'd love to see the inside.

I'm trying to recall the name of a bar I went to a few years back [[6+). It closed shortly afterwards and was on Michigan [[I think the north side but I forget the cross streets). It was very Rat Packesque on the inside with lots of red, velour and Spanish-style topless paintings from the 60's. They played old vocal standards [[completely appropriate) and was a great spot. I never had an opportunity to go back before they closed and am still kicking myself for it. Does this hodgepodge of info jog anyone's memory?

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Sounds like you're talking about the Kress Lounge. Apparently now it's a parking lot.

That was it, DG, thanks! Too bad. I'd like to know when these places auction off their wares, I'd hate to know some of this stuff is rotting where it's going unappreciated, or worse in a fill.

The Kress Lounge, Or as my Gramps put it "The Old Folks Bar"

Reibert's [[sp?) Bakery on Vernor had the best bread with an insanely chewy crust. We always picked up a loaf or two whenever we visited my Grandma's place on Carson. There was also an ice cream shop [[I think) on Vernor that had a cool band organ with drums and cymbals along with piano.

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That was it, DG, thanks! Too bad. I'd like to know when these places auction off their wares, I'd hate to know some of this stuff is rotting where it's going unappreciated, or worse in a fill.

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They did have an auction shortly after the bar closed. I wonder where that nice neon sign ended up.

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Used to be lots of bars along McGraw between Livernois-Wyoming, none left now.

I think the bar on NE corner of McGraw/Springwells was the John Wayne, it was open till 90's, and the building had two parts, the bar and dance hall, so it could have been converted into 2 storefronts..

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Not sure if it helps, but this is the bar I was referring to at McGraw/Springwells. [[obviously it is no longer a bar) Back in the day it was just red brick and didn't have those lower windows...

Is this the John Wayne??

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I don't think this building was the John Wayne.
Looks like a true 'corner bar' though.
As I recall, the John Wayne had 2 doors facing McGraw,
but did not have a 'corner' door.

does anyone recall bowling at the pinetree on warren in dearborn. it was west of wyoming. great family run alley & lounge.

Lived on Tarnow till I was 7 or 8 but went back almost every Saturday for bread, meat, haircuts etc. Most of family still lived in area. Some still do. There were an immense number of bars in the neighborhood. However many of the bars were [[I hate to use the term) family friendly. There were many fascinating businesses. One of my favorites was Tony's confectionary [[Michigan south side, east of Cecil). It had phosphates, a collection of penny candy unrivaled and seem to be a place where lots of people picked up their racing form. There was breakfast/lunch place on Junction in the basement of a house just north of Dom Polski called Steve's Lunch? Their specialty was potato pancakes. There were about 5-6 tables. It seemed like most of their cliental was old guys. Markowycz's kielbasa always struck me as being very large. It almost seemed like they used cow intestine rather than pig. I liked it but my mom always thought it tasted like krakowska.

Thanks for reminding me of Tony's Confectionary, I completely forgot about the store. The store was located on Michigan just east of Larkins right next door to the Banner Supermarket. My brother and I used to go in there for candy and comic books. I do recall to hardcore gamblers coming in to buy the Racing Form and the football tip sheets.

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Still miss the old Senate Coney next to the theatre, and the Pure Food Bakery.

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there are many Senate Coneys Islands around--one in Dearborn, one in Livonia, and one in Taylor still owned by the same Family

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According to Yelp, Stempien's is closed:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/stempiens-si...lounge-detroit

Mother's sounds cool though. Where else in SW has a great burger?

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Yes Stempien"s is till OPEN and yes there burgers are still very good they are open Wednesday through Sunday 4pm till 2am . I hang there frequently/

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does anyone rember the 7,11 & the sail inn bars?

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yes I remember the Suffleboard in Sail Inn next door to the drug store.

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Can someone confirm [[or deny) that Stempien's is, in fact, closed? That is/was a great neighborhood bar.

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Stempiens is Indeed OPEN Wednesday thru Sunday 4pm to 2am
lots of people from Chadsey and Andrews hang out there.

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Great thread...have family that grew up in that immediate area...

Does anyone happen to remember the bar that was located at McGraw/Springwells? It was located on the northeast corner and directly across the street from the now LaRosita restaurant [[see post #20 in the thread from DonPablo). I know the building is now painted gray and is a hair salon or something...any pics/history/info would be awesome...

Also, anymore info/history/pics on the polish restaurant that is now LaRosita...? I remember something about a big fire there back in the early 80's...

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The restaurant was called Golden Rooster owned by Stan's of Stans Whip and Whirl on the corner of Central and Mcgraw.

My friend's parents owned the Main bar on Michigan, just south of Livernois. It was a shot-and-beer place. Her grandparents lived in the apartment above the bar, we moved them out in 1991, they had lived there since 1941, and had amassed a lot of stuff. We found a case of liquor under the steps that dated back to the mid-1930s, just after prohibition had been repealed. We askes Gramps, he said that he started hiding liquor after prohabition was lifted, he thought they might change their mind and he wouldn't have any booze to sell. He had run a speakeasy in the 20s, so he knew the drill. We cracked open some of that after the move was done, very smooth! I got a lot of glasswear, some furniture from the apartment.

I had forgot about the Main Bar. Good story about the hidden liquor.

My husband grew up on Junction. There was a bar on every corner. On Halloween the kids would hit up the bars because the patrons gave them cash. With that money, kids could buy the candy they liked!

A few illegal stills in the neighborhood too.

When I used to visit my buddy who I call "GRAMPS", We would go driving around his neighborhood which happened to be the one in this thread. I was amazed at the the number of bars, like said on every corner. He showed me a lot or an empty corner building. Can't remember cause there were so many. He told me that was where Larry's Bar was. His favorite watering hole. Which at one time was a hang out for Lucky Frye and Dawn Spenz? Who were convicted of the murder of a Dr Canty I belive. There was a book about that a while back.
Had another friend called Old Man Bob who lived two doors down from the Aloha Lounge. Thought to myself 20yrs ago that must have been the place back in the day.