Historic Mayoral Elections in Dearborn, Hamtramck and Dearborn Heights

The elections of Abdullah Hammoud in Dearborn, Amer Ghalib in Hamtramck, and Bill Bazzi in Dearborn Heights are remarkable historic moments. All are Arab-American and Muslim, a first in both categories in those communities.

All won also by large majorities in communities with sizable, but not yet majority, Arab-American populations, meaning that they achieved support from across their entire communities.

I find that uplifting, an upbeat chapter in the American story, a political and social maturation that is to be lauded. This is particularly true for Dearborn whose notorious former mayor Orville Hubbard had once made the city a shameful poster-child for exclusion with his code-speak "Keep Dearborn Clean" signs. Amid all the recent anti-immigrant rancor and rise of white supremacy groups, these elections shed a bright light and again bring meaning to E Pluribus Unam -- "Out of many, one". Bravo to both communities.
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I know that.

Dearborn's first Arab-American Mayor will end the Hubbard-O'Reily Era.

Dearborn Heights' first Arab-American Mayor will to the fast growing Arab communities in West Central Wayne County.

Hamtramck's first Arab American mayor will sparkle in the first Muslim majority city in America.

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Originally Posted by Lowell

The elections of Abdullah Hammoud in Dearborn, Amer Ghalib in Hamtramck, and Bill Bazzi in Dearborn Heights are remarkable historic moments.
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these elections shed a bright light and again bring meaning to E Pluribus Unam -- "Out of many, one". Bravo to both communities.

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Bravo indeed!

It is historic.

But the real historic shift will be when the 'newcomers' are able to create an effective government that lets its citizens determine their own future, and create wealth.

People here know that I have been a big fan of Coleman Young. Like Trump, he broke rules. He said things that had never been said before [[Aloha M-----f---ers) [[1) And while he did some great things [[like breaking the tension between the white cops and black citizens by desegregating the PD), in the end he left a dysfunctional city. He didn't reform the City. He just turned the white man's political machine into the black man's political machine. But he didn't fix the schools. He didn't stop disinvestment. He didn't stop crime [[regardless of 'hit 8-mile').

I wish these Americans well. They need to do bold things that won't make them popular every day. If they only become the distributor of their newfound power to their friends [[ala Young), the history won't be kind. But they have the chance to create great new American communities.

[[1) Bloomberg CityLab: "And finally, no great mayoral quotes list can exclude former Detroit Mayor Coleman A. Young, who once began a press conference with reporters via closed-circuit television while on a business trip in Hawaii with "Aloha, motherfuckers."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mayoral-candor

But he didn't fix the schools.

He couldn't. The Detroit Board of Education is a separate body politic from the City of Detroit. Flunked Detroit government 101, did'ja?

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I know that.

Dearborn's first Arab-American Mayor will end the Hubbard-O'Reily Era.

Dearborn Heights' first Arab-American Mayor will to the fast growing Arab communities in West Central Wayne County.

Hamtramck's first Arab American mayor will sparkle in the first Muslim majority city in America.

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Not saying it is going to,but what happens if the community becomes divided and others are not welcome,not based on race but based on religion.

At that point what defines American? It is not based on American values and beliefs,is it?

The question will be,can they achieve in America something that they have not been able to achieve for over 2000 years everywhere else in the world.

The coexistence of separate religions.

If one religion controls the government and sets the standards is it an all inclusive control?

I highly doubt the separation of religion and state will be in effect,if it is it will be the first recorded case in history with the Muslim community and will show the rest of the world it can be done.

That in itself will be a challenge, because there will be newcomers that will adhere to the old ways and as always it will be their mission to retain that at any cost.

That is why places like Afghanistan remain in turmoil,there is no cohesion or tolerance between religions.

Thats not to say these communities could not be made up of those who have said,to hell with all of that,we just want to be left in piece to practice our religion and you can practice yours.

That is the American part,freedom of religion without recourse,more power to them, but they will have to figure out how to mold in new arrivals that want to remain hardfast set in their ways and draw negative response and try to interrupt a peaceful existence.

The blowback happening in other none Muslim parts of the world that have been settled by Muslims,is not against Muslims in general,it is against that small faction that remain true to the cause.

To me and for the greater Detroit region,this may not be a case of they are over in those cities and they can do as they wish,but more so they are now a part of the overall community,usually the overall community will be involved like it or not,but given the history of the overall community shunning cities they do not particularly care for,I am glad I am watching this one from afar.

For the most part,no matter where you go in the world,no matter what the race or religion or ethnic back ground,or even language is,everybody is the same,they want to live in peace,practice their religion and raise their families to a better future and that is what this country is about and what the constitution provides as a citizen.

^ There are many Christian Lebanese and Christian Iraqis [Chaldean] living among the Muslim population of the greater Dearborn area. The younger Middle Eastern group are not into the political side of life from the old country as their parents likely are. No extreme Madrassas in Dearborn.

I suspect that F-x n_ws [the cable channel, not WJBK] will soon be trying to drum up "sharia law" bogeyman tropes, especially leading into the 2022 midterms election cycle. Heck, might even be Jeannine Pirro making such comments, and she has Lebanese parents.

^^^ I have gay friends and colleagues [hardly the fox-news right-winged types] express to me they are ALSO concerned about how Hammy may change culturally and policy-wise relative to this election.

Taking into considering the tolerance [often expressed beyond words or protest] towards gays in most middle eastern countries as a referent.

Beyond tropes.

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Originally Posted by Gistok

^ There are many Christian Lebanese and Christian Iraqis [Chaldean] living among the Muslim population of the greater Dearborn area. The younger Middle Eastern group are not into the political side of life from the old country as their parents likely are. No extreme Madrassas in Dearborn.

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That maybe the case today,but there is also tomorrow and next week and next month etc.

I really do not care about how it is today,they are not cities living in a bubble.

You do realize Muslims have been in politics and a part of the political structure in any given local for over 2000 years,political structures that have been in turmoil the entire time because one religion refuses to be governed by another one,always has been.

That has always been a key role in getting into government in the first place,in order to be the dominant religion.

In the past and in these two cities,they were not in a domineering political position like they are now.

Like I posted,time will tell if there will be a separation of church and state in those politics and everybody has representation equally,the only way that has worked in the past is if both the religions share the power structure equally,it’s a trust thing.

Its not that complicated,if you have a different religion that does not agree with the other one,they do not trust them to govern them.

Its not me saying it,it is history saying it.

Age has no relevance,while I agree that the younger generation are more in tune with being Americanized verses hard core faith,many of the younger generation are also easy to radicalize when they become disenfranchised.

In my personal experience I find the older generations,no matter which way they view each other’s religion,are more old school values and the younger generations are trying to find themselves while stuck inbetween two completely different worlds which makes them a wild card.

I had one slap their high school son in the face,in front of me,because he admitted in a conversation that he stood up to pee in the school bathroom urnial,apparently they are not allowed to do that because he slapped the shit out of him without thinking twice.

There is an internal conflict in the younger generation when it comes to the old ways and ways they learn in life,even more so in public school,where you know that kid would have been ridiculed had he sat down to pee in a school bathroom like a woman would.

I had an acquaintance that was a general under the Sha of Iran back in the day,he spent a career of disappearing opposite religions and collecting bribes,because that is how things get done,corruption is as normal as you or I eating toast.

So,yea they have a mountain to climb in dispelling 2000 years of history,I hope they can do it and prove to the rest of the world it can be done.

Because that is the spotlight they are in,not just in Detroit,but in the eyes of millions across the world.

Zacha341, there are several gay bars in the Dearborn area [I have an acquaintance who owns one], and it is a homogenous mix of all Middle Easterners as well as Americans of all colors and persuasions. The mix of cultures also helps keep the area beautifully kept up, and little to no squalor. A drive down West Warren Ave. shows the nicely kept up Dearborn south side [and neighborhoods south of it], and the derelict Detroit north side [and neighborhoods north of it]. It is almost like driving along Mack Ave. between Detroit and the Grosse Pointes.

Islam has only been with us for 1350 years. And in the centuries up to the 20th, most Islamic countries have been very tolerant of Christians and Jews living among them. Moorish Spain is an excellent example.. it wasn't until the reconquest of all of Spain by Catholics Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492 that intolerance began, with the expulsion of Arabs and Sephardic Jews who refused to convert to Catholicism. For over 600 years under Islam, there was much tolerance in Moorish Spain to Christians and Jews, with a magnificent flowering of culture, which was anything but the Dark Ages there. But all that ended with Ferdinand and Isabella.

The same can be said for Arab Sicily... which took a long time from the 700s to circa 1000AD to take over the entire Island. Islam only lasted about 4 centuries in Sicily until the 1200s when forces with allegiance to the Pope [and Holy Roman Emperors] gradually drove them out or forced conversion to Christianity. Muslim Sicily was one of the most magnificent flowerings of 3 religions in one island. Muslim Palermo, with over 350,000 inhabitants was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the world around the turn of the first millennium. But that too all came to pass.

It was the "barbarian west" when the First Crusade starting in 1095, and those other crusades for the next 2 centuries afterwards... that Islam felt horrified at what savages Christendom could send to the Holy Land and butcher entire cities, all in the name of God. When Jerusalem was finally captured in 1099... the Crusaders questioned who to kill when it came to the Muslim, Jewish and Christians in the city... they were told "slaughter them all... God would sort out the rest."

It's no wonder why with all of these historic incidents that many Muslims have long memories, and bad feelings about Christianity that linger on into the 21st century. :eek:

^^^ Yes, I am aware. One friend frequents those bars in Hammy. He expressed his feelings. I listened. We'll see how it goes.

Thank you much for the details provided re. battles and conflicts between Christendom and Islam - and the crusades. Comparative religions historical and current, is an area I've also studied/ enjoyed albeit not at the degree level but for certain as a personal, spiritual commitment.

I think often about the early bloody history of Christendom applied, but not without contradistinction of actions for the cause of Islam as well. Don't forget for example the activities of Islam applied to the sub-continent of India [Mughal-Maratha Wars [[1680-1707) for example] and parts of Africa. Indeed a great deal of bloody historical conquests by the sword or bullet... Apparently the battle continues [ask Christian Egyptians/ Nigerians 2021]

Extant history [when not negated] is available. And it seems to depend on ones view as to who had/ has the edge in the varied wars/ crusades resulting in lives lost/ land conquered. All of which [even when combined] pale in comparison to the millions killed on behalf of secular communism and fascism 'gods' [Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, etc] 100+ million within this century! But that is indeed for another full discussion, elsewhere.

Exactly Zach341, all we are doing is scratching the surface of a very complex history of humanity among religions. You provided some very good examples... still thinking of all those kidnapped and missing Nigerian schoolgirls... by Boko Haram! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Ray1936

But he didn't fix the schools.

He couldn't. The Detroit Board of Education is a separate body politic from the City of Detroit. Flunked Detroit government 101, did'ja?

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Political separations between CoD and DPS exist, but if CAY had wanted to fix DPS, he had enough indirect influence to get things done.

As a PO, I imagine you saw lots of political influence where there was no legal authority.

CAY's power challenged the existing power structure every day. If it was a priority, he would had twisted arms in Lansing [[where he formerly was an elected official), diverted funding away from DPS, promoted his own slate of cronies with his war chest collects by making CoD employees fundraise for him to get promotions [[or even keep your job), or whatever it took. I don't recall him ever caring about the education of children.

He could have done it.

History is full ofleaders who misuse their position of power to benefit themselves. But we areall fallible humans, we all make mistakes even when we have good intentions.Queens and Popes do just that, acting in a way that violates their “oath ofoffice”. They both acted contrary to the Catholic teaching of “love thyneighbor” and “thou shalt not kill”. So the blame is on them, not the church. Had they followedCatholic principals none of crimes would have happened. Church teaching did nottell them to do wrong, they did that on their own.

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History is full ofleaders who misuse their position of power to benefit themselves. But we areall fallible humans, we all make mistakes even when we have good intentions.Queens and Popes do just that, acting in a way that violates their “oath ofoffice”. They both acted contrary to the Catholic teaching of “love thyneighbor” and “thou shalt not kill”. So the blame is on them, not the church. Had they followedCatholic principals none of crimes would have happened. Church teaching did nottell them to do wrong, they did that on their own.

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I wasn't really blaming the church so much as I was blaming religion. Most people think that the worst war Germany was ever in was WWII. Not true! The 1618-48 30 Years War... when Catholics and Protestants bled each other white, killed or starved about 1/2 of the population of what is today Germany.

Many times the executioner and the theologian are one and the same. That goes for all religions in earlier centuries. :eek:

^ so they were not following religious beliefs as they tried to become the dominant religion.

As was stated,that was not the religions fault it was the fault of the bodies proclaiming to do it in the name of religion.

I cannot think of any religion that reads,go out and kill everybody that does not worship as you do.

Subjugation using religion as a pretext.

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Originally Posted by Richard

I cannot think of any religion that reads,go out and kill everybody that does not worship as you do.

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You forgot about the bloody Christian religion. There's a history that should be kept from children, but adults should learn about it.

General Flynn's got a plan for one religion in this country. Guess what happens to the rest of us?

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Originally Posted by Zacha341

...how Hammy may change culturally and policy-wise relative to this election.

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Sharia law won't be coming anytime soon.

Also, see this story from BBC:
The US city run by Muslim Americans - BBC News

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History is full of leaders who misuse their position of power to benefit themselves.

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Indeed, history leaves little room for leaders who don't misuse their positions of power. Off hand, only one name comes to mind: Eva Tomaszewski, the president of my ninth grade class.

We're all adults here so please tell us about the "bloody Christian religion".

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Originally Posted by CassTechGrad

We're all adults here so please tell us about the "bloody Christian religion".

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Not sure what Henry Whalley was referring to, but an example was the genocide that was the Albigensian Crusade in southern France in the 13th Century [1209-1229] against the heresy of Catharism by the church and French nobility. It was a particularly gruesome period in medieval history, where entire towns in southern France had their inhabitants slaughtered, and the towns razed... all for the purity of the Catholic faith...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

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I wasn't really blaming the church so much as I was blaming religion. Most people think that the worst war Germany was ever in was WWII. Not true! The 1618-48 30 Years War... when Catholics and Protestants bled each other white, killed or starved about 1/2 of the population of what is today Germany.

Many times the executioner and the theologian are one and the same. That goes for all religions in earlier centuries. :eek:

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That may be topped by the Muslim invasion and occupation of India.

The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.

Communist takeovers in Russia, China, and Cambodia did a pretty good job of mass slaughter too but without a religious motive.

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That may be topped by the Muslim invasion and occupation of India.

The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.

Communist takeovers in Russia, China, and Cambodia did a pretty good job of mass slaughter too but without a religious motive.

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Correct... genocide is not necessarily a religious undertaking. Remember the genocide in Rwanda in recent decades, due to tribal hatred... as is going on now in Ethiopia.

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Originally Posted by CassTechGrad

We're all adults here so please tell us about the "bloody Christian religion".

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Edward Gibbon's 'The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' is a standard source of information -- and a pleasure to read. Also, any number of books about the Crusades; Inquisitions; Conquistas; Reformation; Counter-Reformation; Pilgrims; Thirty Years War; Pioneers; Slavery; Opium Wars; Colonizing of Australia, Africa, Asia, Samoa, etc.; World Wars; Holocaust; Vietnam War; Kosovo; Bush-Cheney Wars. To name but a few.

The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire: Volumes 1-3, Volumes 4-6: Gibbon, Edward, Trevor-Roper, Hugh: 9780307700766: Amazon.com: Books

Yep. Certainly not solely as we discussed.

The prevailing narrative [often parroted w/o question) is that 'religion' is the number one cause of genocide! Nope. Even when combined [religious crusades/ conquests] death at the behest of religion is low contrasted to the millions killed on behest of the secular walking-among-us 'gods' of communism, and fascism [Mao, Hitler, etc] 100+ million within this century!

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Correct... genocide is not necessarily a religious undertaking. Remember the genocide in Rwanda in recent decades, due to tribal hatred... as is going on now in Ethiopia.

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I recently found this infographic summary on the subject:

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This is interesting....

Why we chose not to endorse either candidate for Hamtramck mayor

From article:

No matter where you stand on marijuana, it has been known for some time that the Hamtramck Muslim community has not had an appetite for marijuana businesses. It is true that it was the responsibility of the then Muslim-majority Council to definitively opt out of marijuana, which they failed to do in time...

...Further, during bitter Council debates around the issue, when Muslim Council members were being unfairly attacked, the city’s mayor could have kept order and could have defended the population against blatant xenophobia in public discussions over marijuana.

https://www.arabamericannews.com/202...mtramck-mayor/

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Nope. Even when combined death for the cause of religion pale in comparison to the millions killed on behalf of secular gods of communism and fascism...

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Zacha: No doubt that communists and fascists murdered enormous numbers of people. Mao probably takes the cake for the most murders attributable to a single devil.

But remember that my response was to Richard's statement that "I cannot think of any religion that [goes out and kills] everybody that does not worship as you do" to which I said don't forget about Christianity.

With regard to your claim regarding the graphic summary, nobody knows the counts. To say that the "combined death for the cause of religion pale in comparison to the millions killed on behalf of secular gods of communism and fascism" can't be substantiated. After all, superstitious religions wreaked havoc for millenia [and nobody was keeping score] while secular religions had only a portion of the twentieth century.

Perhaps the fascists and commies are winning; perhaps the Hebrews, Christians, and Muslims are winning. Nobody knows the score. And the game isn't over, e.g., looks like the U.S. may succumb to fascism.

P.S. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, George Tenet, John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby ,  Michael Hayden, and other neocons are unpunished war criminals, too. But they're our war criminals.

^^^ Interesting points, indeed. However, the concentration of death due to secularism over the last 100 [not solely my claim] years cannot be denied. The chart provided is but one of many counts and records. The more you research, the more you'll find the source[s], varied, beyond this example! Not to mention a few oldsters still living [who experienced these genocides] and the extant narrative of their families, personal -- beyond the charts and stats.

And yes, if we're not careful United States too will succumb to an authoritarianism taking us surprised as/ if we assume we have a fix on its origin!

Come to America

Work your ass off.

Your kids work their asses off. Everyone lives in the same house.

Third generation gets involved in politics.

like clockwork.

This is the story of immigrants to America and it has been played over and over again.

The only exception is with those we brought here as slaves. Their trajectory has been different due to systemic racial animus, restrictions and laws.

It was not or just not in the United States

Not until 1962 did the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration implement new guidelines removing most racial discrimination. In 1967, a points system was introduced and the last of racial discrimination was removed.

https://www.thestar.com/news/immigra...lusion.html?rf

Canada also still places restrictions on non English speaking immigrants from certain countries.

Jews were treated as hostile refugees when fleeing fascism.

The United States has not really been much different then any other county in the world throughout history when it comes to slavery and immigration,and as horrible it is to live here,it’s a far cry from living in a mud hut with no water or electricity and wondering if you are going to make it from one day to the next without being slaughtered or sold off into slavery as it still exists today.

Actually what I posted before was - I cannot think of any religion that advocates the killing in the name of that religion,it was the bodies that killed in the name of religion.


They say over 60% of African Americans in the United States can trace their roots back to ancestors brought into this country as slaves,but less then 5% can in the country that slaves originated from,due to the history of tribal wars and genocide that still occur today,even as we speak today,an entire bloodline will be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

Thats a heavy sacrifice and price to pay for a continued bloodline.

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It was not or just not in the United States



They say over 60% of African Americans in the United States can trace their roots back to ancestors brought into this country as slaves,but less then 5% can in the country that slaves originated from,due to the history of tribal wars and genocide that still occur today,even as we speak today,an entire bloodline will be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

Thats a heavy sacrifice and price to pay for a continued bloodline.

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African tribal conflicts and genocide are much more tangled with the rest of world than that. Synergistic with slavery was colonialism, The Berlin Conference/creation of borders by non-African nations, to name a couple.

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African tribal conflicts and genocide are much more tangled with the rest of world than that. Synergistic with slavery was colonialism, The Berlin Conference/creation of borders by non-African nations, to name a couple.

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It does not stop even when those lands are ceded back,there has been 5 coups over there in less then 2 years.

The league of African nations is a joke and the African controlled rule has been no different then under colonial rule,skin color has changed but that is about it.

France ceded control over Guinea long ago,they actually supply 70% of all the raw materials used in making aluminum to China,by default the US,100s of billions,but yet they live in poverty.

They just had another coup,the guy that took over is the Rambo of special forces,he was invited back to the country by the previous president to form a special forces team in order to remove all opposition any means necessary.

He got there and formed the team,then did a coup,he says fir all the right reason but there has never been a person in charge in that entire region for any length of time that has not turned into a power hungry kill everybody that does not agree with you.

Gaddafi's son came out of hiding to run for President of Libya,he is wanted for crimes against humanity by the EU,but yet here he is,the region he was from,like his father,will most likely get his support,because they will hope he continues to follow in his fathers footsteps and finish killing the Muslims that they do not agree with as Muslims.

Belarus President jailed and or killed all the reporters and opposition.

Turkey after the attempted coup in 2016,jailed,killed or just disposed of all teachers,university professors,media personal,and pretty much anybody else that did not agree with the regime,anybody that was considered smart was dead or jailed.

Do not buy blood diamonds because it supports genocidial manics,but yet American taxpayers send billions to the region so we can support and install our own genocidial maniacs.

A US President with full knowledge and intent destroyed Hati,on purpose,so now we send them billions and yet they cannot self rule because like every other country being the slave master is not always black and white.

You are correct though it is a complicated tangled mess,millions slaughtered every year,imprisoned under daily brutal torture or just disappear like the wind,little girls sold,slaves still being sold,children forced to work in mines it goes on and on.

Interesting the stark contrasts in the world,in this country,as long as we can flip a switch for power,fill our gas tanks and bellies and do not have to read mean tweets,we are happy but not really because people are more obsessed with the past then they are with not repeating,while it is actually being repeated,and nobody cares.

Tear down a statue because it represents slavery of 200 years ago,then go into a store and purchase an item that was produced by a slave of today,without a thought in the world.

No point in trying to right a wrong of the past if you are going to support the exact same wrong happening today.

Burn that building down because it was built by slaves 200 years ago,while wearing clothes made by slaves 2 months ago.

So what the hell does this all have to do with Muslims in Detroit in power?

Like I said before,it will be the only place on earth where everybody just gets along like no where else in the world,dispite the religious secular differences.

Even better if they can overcome the urge to recognize that political corruption is just a part of the process,I hope it works.

Power equals control,control has no boundaries.

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Like I said before,it will be the only place on earth where everybody just gets along like no where else in the world,dispite the religious secular differences.

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Richard, you made many true points, but then you ended with an unforced error in that you overlooked many places in the world where people with religious differences get along.

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Originally Posted by Henry Whalley

Richard, you made many true points, but then you ended with an unforced error in that you overlooked many places in the world where people with religious differences get along.

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That was me trying to divert back to the OT and was referring to Muslims in general,how did we get the different factions to come together for a common goal In Afghanistan?

Because we formed a government where each faction held a seat or position in that government,so each faction was comfortable as they felt they were receiving representation.

That is the basis of a lot of it,one faction denies the others the same rights they want or view as the standard.

When you look at Muslim communities that are established outside of the warring ones,the UK,Germany,France,where no go zones have been clearly defined,even Florida,as a rule they do get along,but the side effect of that is the breeding ground and support for those who wish nefariousness on others.

I do not have an issue with a mainstream Muslim as a mayor as long as they operate just like every other mayor should,by respecting the rights of everybody and not using the power to further an agenda outside of that scope.

The no go zones have created exactly what those who only want to live their lives in peace left from in the first place.

We have some indication of how the title of this thread, “Historic Mayoral Elections In Dearborn, Hamtramck And Dearborn Heights”, might play out. Lets look at Chicago which has just recently elected the first black female homosexual mayor and see what she is doing to unite the windy city in the spirit of acceptance and inclusion!

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Originally Posted by CassTechGrad

We have some indication of how the title of this thread, “Historic Mayoral Elections In Dearborn, Hamtramck And Dearborn Heights”, might play out.

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IMHO it's a misuse of the word indication. A better way to say it would be "we have some prejudice as to how it might play out..."

In that case - the use of the word might is a clear indication of how it IS playing out.