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CNN is showing the press conference. It's not just rural Mich. wackos. Search warrants were issued all over the state. Several in the Metro Detroit area.
I believe Ohio too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
Wow, did they make public their ransom demand?
This wasn't about ransom. It was about overthrowing the gov't and creating their happy place.Quote:
Originally Posted by GPCharles
The story made the BBC.
Gee, maybe it’s time not to let these morons in the state capital with their rifles now...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54470427
13 men face charges in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, start 'civil war'
MLive|15 minutes ago
Federal and state law enforcers on Thursday announced charges in what has been described as an "elaborate" plan to commit kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, kill police and overturn the government.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interes...civil-war.html
Serving life sentences will afford those Wolverine Watchmen plenty of time to study the Constitution. And since COVID-19 restrictions don't exist in penitentiaries, they'll be exposed to a full Bill of Rights worth of bacterium and viruses.
P.S. For Darwin's sake, I just hope those clowns didn't have kids.
Witmer just made a statement. She even quoted Ronald Reagan. She didn't mention whether she had a security detail. Does she?
Guys like these can't do their own laundry. How are they going to run their own "republic"?Quote:
“The group talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights and where they could be self-sufficient,” the FBI agent wrote.
So typical. Money and time to drive around the midwest, peak under bridges, buy explosives and weapons, but somehow jobless and penniless.Quote:
In a brief court hearing in Grand Rapids that took about five minutes, Garbin, 24, and Franks told a judge that they would need court-appointed attorneys based on their financial status.
Militia is just another word for terrorist organization IMHO going back to colonial Virginia, for instance, when the Virginia militia terrorized slaves and Indians. I believe that George Washington served in that militia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottathew
wow this is the first i'm hearing about this
Apparently this thing was quite a bit wider than our usual woods-running wannabe militia loons. According to the FBI this plot was hatched at two meetings of people from "several states" in Dublin OH near Columbus, where they discussed assassinating or kidnapping public officials. So, essentially terrorism bordering on armed insurrection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottathew
The plot they hatched involved kidnapping Gov. Whitmer at her cottage. But it was bigger than that, since they were reportedly also planning an armed take over of the capital, kidnapping of other state officials, attacking police officers in their homes, and attacking Michigan State Police facilities.
Thank goodness this terrorist insanity was stopped. But the wider conspiracy aspect of this situation is extremely concerning. Especially since this kind of thing has essentially been cheerlead by the totally irresponsible statements and unhinged tweetstorms of that man in the White House.
These stupid chumps were going to kidnap her at the Mackinac Island Governor's Mansion. What were they going to do... make a get-away in a horse and buggy to the nearest boat?
The time it would have taken to get her to the mainland would have been more than enough time to get several law enforcement agencies helicopters and airplanes to be in hot pursuit.
They're "anarchists"; they don't need our government. Let them find their own freaking attorneys. Stay away from my tax dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeM
Make no mistake, this episode is less about freedom or tyranny than it is about misogynism and emasculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
They weren't. The plot was to take her to Wisconsin and have a kangaroo court and execute her. I hope that's as funny to you as your smarmy little comment there.
The ransom was going to be for other statehouse members, but I doubt that was going to end well either since they intended to attempt to start a civil war.
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Originally Posted by oladub
Softailrider’s post [["Not a bad day for Big Gretch though, she gets the limelight for a while - You know how much she loves that. She’s like a moth, when the TV cameras come on she’ll be there if possible.”) is provocative, unhelpful, unkind, and curiously silent on the seriousness of the situation. Most alarming is the poster’s apparent ignorance that such posts promote misinformation and contribute to the fomenting of violence.
Given that:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
-one of the co-founders of the Wolverine Militia was in his own words an anti-Trump anarchist,
-the plot to kidnap the Governor on Mackinac Island and take her to Wisconsin was something that the Mossad but probably not the Wolverine Militia was capable of,
-this narrative came out one month before the election,
-the FBI is withholding requested information from Republican investigators taking sides against Trump,
-the FBI was conspicuously absent from running down antifa types setting up riots in Portland, Minneapolis, etc.,
-and given that the story has become the latest overnight leftist talking point,
I am assuming that the story is political in design, fake news or at least a hyped narrative based on some partial facts. So yes, since I doubt that the story is much more than spun factoids about a bunch of incompetent wannabees, It is funny that so many on the left believe this is much more than politics. I have thought about it though and perhaps my comment about "How much do they expect to ransom Gretchen for" was smarmy. Upon reflection, I'll change that to "These guys are such losers that they would probably have to dig into their own pockets to get someone to take Gretchen back."
Correction needed. She has her own private 'up north' residence somewhere in the Grand Traverse region and this was the target. It made me wonder why she was not using the Mackinac Island Governor's residence. I'm guessing she likes her place better and politically it probably looks better to not be on the tax-payer's dime. There is still the expense of securing her private residence, the cost of which just went up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Now it's coming out that she knew of the plot for weeks and they had been moving her and her family around to keep them out of harms way.
It sounds like the operation was just about to be carried out.
That does not make sense,maybe conspiracy to commit is enough but that is why they always wait with the bombing guys to actually go through with the purchase before cuffing.
I think they have to have something a bit more solid then,a bunch of guys got together and hatched out a plan,they would have to show they actually had the means like,following them until they were sitting outside of the cabin ready to pounce.
But with conspiracy,you do not actually have to commit the crime,just discuss it,but the penalty is nothing compared with catching them while following through with it.
Yeah, I'm positive the FBI is in line with making up a "narrative" to benefit Gretchen Whitmer. Keeping living in your Libertarian fairy land
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Originally Posted by oladub
They stupidly showed her cottage on Round Lake this morning on the news. It's not what I would call a mansion, but something either she or her husband owned before they married and is probably a comfortable place for their blended family to be together. Also, if she had been using the Mackinac Island place during Covid it would have been just another thing for the anti maskers to bitch about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
Barry County Sheriff needs to be removed from Office:
https://www.mic.com/p/this-michigan-...itmer-38330170
Well maybe it is, or maybe it ain't, or the cow jumped over the moon, but more than a few Detroiter's want her not kidnapped, but on duty right here.
So we can hold her accountable. Kidnapping not the move!
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Agreed. In the 1930s even some law enforcement officers were members of the Black Legion in Oakland and Wayne Counties. The Legion, which was too far right even for the KKK, was wont to exterminate all Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and Catholics.Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...ical_movement)
He sure should be removed......https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-b916363.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
Sounds a little nervous to me.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNbW_prI5Xc
WDIV tweeted this:
“ After much discussion in our newsroom, we've decided that moving forward, we will be using the term "domestic terrorism" or "domestic terrorist," rather than militia. We feel these words better define the subjects of the investigation.”
Read FBI complaint here:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/six-arrested-federal-charge-conspiracy-kidnap-governor-michigan
Thanks for sharing that. I never heard of this group. Terroristic activity has a long history in Michigan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
One things for sure, she's certainly getting a lot of media coverage over this. And just 25 days before the election. I wonder how long the FBI was on to them?
Yes she's a democrat but it's not like she's up for re-election now. They've known since the beginning of the year. The difficulty in an investigation like this is knowing when to pull the trigger on arrests. Too soon and you miss arresting others who are involved or risk the charges not sticking or a reduced sentence. Too late is obviously the worst scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
They were monitoring them from the start months ago after social media posts in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
They are saying they could have shut them down at any time but waited until they met in order to pool funds to buy explosives and swap tactical gear.
It appears to be two different groups with two different agendas.
Not shur where the white supremacy aspect comes in sense the guy hated Trump and as noted earlier was an anarchist.
Both groups were anti government and had nothing to do with race based civil war as pushed,they were anti government and skin color had little to do with it.
What is even more interesting is this was a federal operation that went on for over 5 months and nothing was said to state or local governments and nobody had a clue.
Considering how many groups are actually in the state and the thousands of members,this group had to go out of state in order to get support,which actually shows the threat level that exists is pretty low.
A lot of the existing groups that people like to call right wing are extremely close knit and would not even allow people this radical within even 10 feet of them.
If I do not give you a boogy man you will not depend on me for keeping you safe and you will not need me.
I suppose that's why they moved her and her family around several times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
^^ She may not want to leave. I'm not sure a cabinet position is a move up from a governorship. To me it seems more like a lateral move. :confused:
Yeah, those conspiracy theorists...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/whitmer-p...050826344.html
This contains the affidavit with the charge of conspiracy to kidnap.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...io/5927049002/
The plot was actually hatched,according to this, in Ohio.
Yeah, Dublin, OH; That's been all over the news since this broke. That was the FBI's hook into this. I believe they had infiltrated that group. They are who brought MI terrorists into this. Not a secret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Off topic and / or Non-Metro-Detroit-Windsor political posts in this thread have been moved to Plot to Kidnap Gov. Whitmer - Off Topic and/or Political Post Dump.
Kindly keep the Discuss Detroit discussions on topic and politics local to the Detroit-Windsor metropolis only.
I've been a away from much blogging or posting: buried up to ears in work, both distanced learning and distanced teaching [[good times!).
Last I heard the kidnap king-pin cretin was a local anarchist radical type not particularly 'feeling' Trump either? Any updated details on that?
This day-by-day journal of their activities makes it appear that law enforcement has a very strong case. If these facts hold up this was no bar stool conspiracy.
https://freep-mi.newsmemory.com?publ...cded63_1343857
Yeah, it's a simple case of 'Civilization and Its Discontents' as described by Sigmund Freud who theorized that humans have certain instincts that are immutable, most notably the desires for sex, and the predisposition to violent aggression towards authority figures and sexual competitors, who obstruct the individual's path to gratification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Civilization generally imprisons men unable to repress these instincts as rapists or murderers [[they're usually males.)
Now what if the kidnapping of Michigan Gov. Whitmer happen and be killed by the Wolverine-Bugaloo Militia.
1. She will be killed with no ransom.
2. It will set the signal for White Supremacists for a Civil War and Michigan Legislature will be in hold hostage and will clash with the National Guard along with the U.S. Armed Forces.
3. Later other White Supremacists and Q people will join forces and attack every state, federal and local government and attack blacks, liberals, Jews, Hispanics and East Asians [[especially Chinese Americans).
4. Our American society will be turned upside down. Activities stop chaos and anarchy will tear this free nation apart. The whole world is very frightened because they hold thousands of the nuclear missiles. And anytime some yahoo American terrorist or even our President Trump may release them targeting anywhere there is anarchy. It might go out of control and strike any nation including Russia. The Russians will retaliate by sending their A-bombs and then comes World War III.
And happy to accept taxpayer-funded social services whenever it suits them, meanwhile railing against the supposed "welfare state."Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeM
Many say it's what you call white terrorists. I've heard some who consciously [[or unconsciously) support them describe them as "vigilantes." Some even falsely say they're "freedom fighters" or "patriots," first among them the terrorists themselves. I'm so tired of hearing them called the "michigan militia" as if it's debatable they're honorable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
Call them what they are. Brainwashed belligerent fools is about as forgiving as a fair description could be, and it would be far too generous for many of them.
I couldn't imagine Detroit history couldn't be more racist than I already knew, but this proved me wrong. :[[ I had never heard of this before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
Local sheriff says defends group saying maybe they were just trying to make a felony arrest. Yeah, okay.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/us/mi...ias/index.html
B.S. like this is the problem. This is NOT ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
He's refusing to resign.
Recall time?
Two more charged.
People making question about the affiliation of this group: one of the members worked at a gun shop that was to host a Trump rally [[later cancelled). They had also targeted the Democratic Governor of Virginia.
And Michigan and Virginia are two of the three states Trump called upon his supporters to "liberate" from their governors [[in ALL CAPS, of course).
Go figure.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52330531
G-DDT: Welcome back!
"8645" What does that mean?
I prefer what Trevor Noah calls them: Pale ISISQuote:
Originally Posted by bust
86 as in to cancel or end somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny
45 as in President #45, Trump
To 86 something means to get rid of or "dump" it. 45 is Trump because he's the 45th President, so "dump Trump"
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Originally Posted by Danny
That's right. fellas When Gov. Whitmer did a live national interview on NBC's Meet The Press, there was a "8645" pin sitting on the nightstand at the left bottom side of the screen.
I like that:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
I just went and looked at that and it looks kind of weird, almost translucent; you can see the leg of the planter through the sticker or whatever. Don't know if she put it there or if it was an overlay by NBC.
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Originally Posted by Danny
I don't really like the "8645" because "86" can be left open to interpretation to mean different things. However, most definitions that I've found define it as getting rid of something. 86ing a menu item. 86ing an unruly patron in a bar. 86ing a low-performing car brand. Etc...
Our leaders need to pick their words, and uhhh.... numbers carefully.
Donny The Dummy claims it was an assassination threat.
To be fair, Trump's perspective is from the Trump crime family, where 86ing might have a different meaning...Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
You can throw all the watered down meanings you want out there but we all know from gangster movies that 86 someone means your dead!
Whitless is a two face POS!
Author Jef Klein theorized that the bar Chumley's at 86 Bedford Street in the West Village of Lower Manhattan was the source. His book The History and Stories of the Best Bars of New York claims that the police would call Chumley's bar during prohibition before making a raid and tell the bartender to "86" his customers, meaning that they should exit out the 86 Bedford Street door, while the police would come to the Pamela Court entrance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_%28term%29
And she's a two faced POS because?............Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
I'm afraid you're wrong: Maybe you mean "deep six"?
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Eighty-six or 86 is American English slang, meaning, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "to eject or debar [[a person) from premises; to reject or abandon". It is used in food and drink services to indicate that an item is no longer available or that a customer should be ejected.
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Originally Posted by Wheels
Never heard a gangster nor even a character in a gangster movie say "86."Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
Many times I did when a chef announced a menu item sold out.
Gosh, I’m almost embarrassed for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
Not only did you completely miss the meaning of a very well-known American idiom, but you compounded the cringe-worthiness by insisting that Gretchen Whitmer wants Trump killed.
But wait there’s MORE!
Then you put the cherry on top by being all self-righteous and aggrieved while insisting that Whitmer is, wait what is exactly, oh yes, a hypocrite.
That is hall-of-fame-worthy in the self-immolation sector. A double fist of cringiness.
Only a very stable genius could ever do that.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ge...20200617220951
No Chief, they haven't blown my cover yet.
Oops.
Sorry about that, Chief.
Yeah I've heard the term 'smoke' someone in regards their end. Never 86th... in any we need her [[Whitmere). Working, not stowed away. Do your job!
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Originally Posted by bust
Wonder what is going to happen with that bunch of "Elmer Fudds"?
Correction. The current soon to be ex president is....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
Lawyer claims he was just 'playing Army'.
Well, now he's playing Inmate.
Taking another glance it looks rather Photoshopped into the photo!
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Originally Posted by jcole
The two ongoing jokes on Reddit are "Vanilla ISIS" and "Y'All Qaeda".Quote:
Originally Posted by rb336