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Detroit’s Cass Tech was named for a slave owner. Should this name change too?
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https://www.wxyz.com/news/america-in...0Lewis%20Cass.
Detroit’s Cass Tech was named for a slave owner. Should this name change too?
https://www.bridgemi.com/urban-affai...ame-change-too
This is the right call, but something tells me they'll bow to the mob pressures shortly. Men such as Lewis Cass should be honored for their great accomplishments and only judged by the moral standards of the times in which they lived.
If not, where does it stop? One of the greatest Americns to have ever lived, George Washington himself owned slaves when he was only 11 years old and until his own death. Are we going to strike his face off of Mt. Rushmore and rename Washington D.C? In 120 years would it be right to tear down or rename places named after Martin Luther King Jr or Barack Obama because some of their views and actions aren't seen as acceptable to Americans in 2140?
Pretty soon even this will be banned. Is nothing sacred?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219AYeeZjWw
I wonder when and how this is going to bight them in the ass. The pendulum swings both ways after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
The statue 'deplatforming' has little to do with slavery or accomplishments. Its about being 'you'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
The whole 'woke' movement isn't quite what it seems. And I'm just beginning to understand what it is. So far, it mostly looks to me like a galvanizing action. Make people take sides. Are you with us, or against us. Oh, you're against us? So you're a racist. You are bad. Cancel you. I hate you because your racism is violent hate. And your racist because your system produces fewer black PhD physicists.
It doesn't matter what Cass did or didn't. It matters that wokesters want to control what 'you' can and can't express.
If we continue down this road of strict implementation, and orthodoxy, everything [[and there's quite alot) bearing Henry Fords name and Logo will need to go and, or be re-named! And fast!
People I'm talking to find this move or renaming and tearing down not a raging priority relative to black people day to day.
These actions have no immediate impact on social or economical level in our communities, and especially zero effect re. ending police misconduct at a policy ruling level.
Ford was a fan of Hitler's so he would be fine in the eyes of some people....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Hah! My HS now closed [[Murray-Wright - named after Phillip Murray and Wilbur Wright) would be ok I guess - they were just aviation pioneers...:rolleyes:...
But then I've not check out their backgrounds, soo..........
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Originally Posted by 401don
I'm aware, having studied Ford and the history of FOMOCO deeply. He'd have to go by those taking down statues now.
I prefer to see certain statues removed rather than vandalized.
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Originally Posted by jcole
Including a number here. After all, we are not allowed to point out the failings of any historical figures. We just gloss over the odious aspects of Herr Ford. He was rich and that forgives all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I think its high time we erect statues of Cornwallis and Benedict Arnold, or name forts after them. Before we fought them we were on their side after all. Let's just celebrate heritage!
Using that logic, you can excuse almost any heinous crime against humanity ever committed in human history prior to the 21st century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
Or just go all out and honor King George III. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
If it's about history, then where are the statues of Osama Bin Laden? He's a pretty significant historical figure. How on earth is anyone supposed to remember that 9/11 happened or learn about it except through a giant bronze statue of Osama Bin Laden prominently displayed in a public park?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
Statues are the #1 way to learn about history, with "books" and "the Internet" in a distant second and third place. You gaze upon a statue and BOOM, you know history. That's how it works!
In some of these cases, I'd be content with their biographies and/or company histories being updated to be accurate and truthful instead of being whitewashed.
In the case of Ford, the family could issue a statement and place some sort of displays in the corporate lobbies.
I think we should ALWAYS point out the human failings of leaders and famous people. As Ben Franklin said in "1776':"what will posterity think we were–demigods? We’re men–no more, no less"Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
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Originally Posted by aj3647
And using yours we'd be tearing down half the statues in the country, renaming several states, thousands of cities and even more roads and buildings. And who's to say that the next flavor of the day protesters wouldn't be offended by those with which we replaced them?
Would be a disaster for Cass tech.
So much cachet in that name. They'd have to start over, and grads would have to explain where their diploma is from, and that it's actually a well known school and such.
Also,. you have to wonder if anyone knew the origin of the name. If these morons hadn't brought it up,.. would anyone have known?
I think the most important thing we can do is cancel the Democratic Party, also known as the party of slavery, the party of segregation, of Jim Crow etc.
The DNC history makes the worst of these statue people seem like Mr. Rodgers.
The DNC is moving away from the past and trying to change. The RNC is moving towards the past and embracing it.
Amen to that... November 3 will likely be a day of reckoning... with the COVID-19 spiraling out of control... lots of people [[especially those who lost loved ones to the virus) are going to remember on November 3... and that memory may go down the list of candidates. The Republicans could end up on the losing end like they have never been before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
A lot of folks [[like Bigdd) will have their heads explode when the reality hits. And then come Jan. 21st... the world will not end as so many brainwashed Trumpsters think... we will get back to becoming the moral compass to the world, and making amends to our European allies that we alienated, and tell Putin and Xi that the honeymoon is over.... :eek:
^^ I'm not betting on any of that. I don't trust polls, pundits or prognosticators.
Anything is possible. Literally anything.
We could be in the midst of a damn sea war with China by then.
Provided we don't have COVID-19 epidemics again on the Navy ships... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
I'm certainly hoping the U.S. gets back to some sense of normality but I'm surprised you would actually think it's been the moral compass to the world. If it was, it certainly hasn't been for a long time, and I doubt many people in the world would ever consider it that again. The Canadians I know, many of whom have immigrated from countries all over the world, have a very low opinion of American morals due to the racism, crime, gun culture, health care, poverty, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
I have friends and relatives in Germany, UK and Italy that would differ from your assessment. Maybe your being next door makes us more negatively newsworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
And I meant more being the defenders of freedom elsewhere... although even that has caveats.
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Originally Posted by Meddle
Shhhhh. Don't spoil November. Mr. Biden has it in the bag. He doesn't need to campaign,.. or have a platform of any sort. In fact, Democrat voters really don't even really need to go to the polls. :)
In a sea war, China's Navy would be at the bottom of the ocean in an afternoon.
But I think a number of us have jacked this thread way off Detroit. My apologies for my part in that.
We honor people for the significant good they did in support of our communities, despite their flaws. We aren't honoring the flaws. Anyways, everyone has flaws - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I know...quoting Jesus; dangerous stuff! He once knocked over the tables of the money lenders in a church; can you believe that? Those poor, innocent, downtrodden money lenders were just trying to earn a living!
Consider:
-Columbus gets a statue because he helped usher in the development of the Western hemisphere, even if he wasn't a model territorial governor.
-Washington gets his face on a mountain because he played a critical role in securing and shaping the Republic, even if he was among the large number of people who owned slaves at the time.
-Lewis Cass gets a statue [[and a high school!) because he was an early statesmen from Michigan, even if he was among the large number of people who owned slaves at the time.
And, this works both ways:
-MLK gets a statue because he led a non-violent civil rights movement, even if he plagiarized his thesis and cheated on his wife.
- Joe Louis gets a fist in the center of town because he was a champion athlete from Detroit, even if he literally beat people's faces in for a living.
So, relax, everyone.
1953
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Originally Posted by Gistok
I'm sure when they were on our friends and family military welfare plan, Giz, they were happy as pigs in a blanket. When they were asked to pay their fair share, well, then not so much. I think US taxpayers are tired of burdening the expense of providing moral compasses for those that refuse to get their own.
We did cancel that Democratic Party...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdd
They became the Republican Party, look it up.
Using my WHAT? Where have I advocated for ANY of that? Show me the post where I said any of that. Can you? Go ahead, link to one of my previous posts where I said we should rename streets and cities and states, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
Um, nope. There is no truth to that silly wive's tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumby
One Senator switched parties, and perhaps 2 Congreessmen.
The idea that the two parties met in secret or some such, and the Repubs, who's party was started to end slavery agreed to hate blacks,.. and the Dems who have always hated blacks and held slaves decided to suddenly fight for their rights is patently ridiculous.
But that's the lie the Dems will try to indoctrinate everyone with,.. to keep the people they hate voting FOR them instead of against them.
There is zero evidence for this myth.
That's some bullsh*t historical revisionism right there. Not a "model territorial governor?" Columbus enslaved thousands of native peoples. He committed outright genocide. He tortured and mutilated people as a form of punishment. He had people's body parts chopped off for stealing food. He was, by any definition of the word, evil. He was a monster, even by the lax moral standards of the day. He was such a heinous ghoul of a person that the King and Queen of Spain eventually recalled him as Governor and even put him in jail for a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1953
The fact that you not only gloss over that as him being "not a model governor", but then have the audacity to somehow equate it to Martin Luther King Jr cheating on his wife, says all I need to know about you. How do MLK Jr's moral failings compare in any way to mass murder, slavery, torture, and genocide?
And I won't even get into your Joe Louis comparison because it will cause me to use words that will get me banned. Suffice to say, the word that best describes you rhymes with "saycist."
Geeze what got you in such a foul snarky mood after all these years of being diplomatic Honky Tonk? Is it being part of the Trump cult not liking any dissent? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Think of the trillions that we spend on defense because our prez's bromance buddy's Putin and Xi still like to do land grabs and antagonize us with buzzing too close to our navy and air force? When's the last time our Nato allies pulled one of those pranks? :confused:
I do agree that Nato should pay its' fair share... but that has little to do with my comments about Europeans still being our friends, in spite of the freak show in the White House.
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Originally Posted by Gistok
How much did Obama spend escalating the war in Afghanistan, under the guise of defending Syria against "Isil"? How much more did it cost US taxpayers taking in and housing refugees from that debacle? Not a whole lot of opposition back then when he showing Putin how it was done. When Trump brought up imbalances in war and trade spending, our friends felt slighted. When you're buying at the bar, everyone is your friend.