Seeing scattered news reports of a crowd shooting ....
Seeing scattered news reports of a crowd shooting ....
At about 8:15 PM or so, I saw a gathering of folk with multiple police cars off Fort street near the post office... About 150 or so folk, but not ambulance. No protest signs, so didn't look like protestors.
This gathering just a few blocks south of Wayne County Community College? What was that?
Anyway, over all there was a lot violence and shootings last night. See below:
Fourth of July violence: 9 hurt, 1 killed in 9 separate Detroit shootings over 6-hour span
I feel so bad that these people are getting "pushed out"
What the hell is going on in Michigan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
NRA!Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
NRA!
NRA!
'Course they're self-destructing with scandals and internal theft, so ....
The NRA is not interested in Detroiter's guns. If anything they'd prefer they NOT have guns. LOL!
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Originally Posted by Meddle
I don’t understand. Are you suggesting these guns were legal and carried with CCW?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
Did I read that correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
The guy objected to fireworks because they're noisy and so he started firing a rifle at people to ... what? Quiet things down? :confused:
One word: earplugs.
^^^ Hah, it need not make any sense -- it's beyond reason on both ends these days. Every response to the extreme!
Just another example of the increasing selfish societal break-down. I was visiting a friend and the folks across the way had commercial grade speakers on their porch blasting away. Everyone be damned.
You're a captive audience if you live in such a neighborhood. Thankfully it's fairly quiet in my area.
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Originally Posted by 313WX
Probably fallout from Obama's failed Fast & Furious gun sting.
Just some street rats problems. Brothers killing brothers. I have seen every day and night in the ghetto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Neighbor hate the riff raffs shooting off fireworks. So this mad neighbor gets a gun and started shooting its fireworks at a girl and woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seven&wyo
There... we're talking about it. I noticed you made a mistake in your thread title... none of the shootings was in downtown [[the main post office is not downtown).Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
I bet that some of these were people shooting off their guns into the air in lieu of fireworks/fire crackers... People shooting guns into the air don't realize that it can be just as deadly as taking aim at people.
Also the SCS shooting was 1 block from the border to Roseville... if it makes any difference. SCS did have a murder/suicide... but that was 2018... when an elderly couple [[those damn elderly!) had a spat. :eek:
I would ask you the same question... what the hell is wrong with Atlanta?Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/poli...-off-fireworks
What happened at the Post Office? I drove by there yesterday late evening and there was quite a crowd with part of Fort blocked... but I could not find anything about it??
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Originally Posted by Gistok
Today 5 million law-abiding NRA members didn't shoot anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
One incident is hardly comparable to 9 seperate incidents, never mind the numerous "standoffs" [[as if it's the Wild Wild West) another person posted about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Exactly. I’m stump to recall if ever an NRA member was involved in a reckless shooting. Plenty shoot the bad guys but we rarely hear about those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat001
And another 300 million non-NRA members didn't shoot anyone either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat001
For all you NRA lovin' folks, the NRA is the money rich scum lobby that allowed this to happen....
On the night of October 1, 2017, Stephen Paddock opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada. He killed 58 people and wounded 422, and the ensuing panic brought the injury total to 851.
In the 10 minutes it took to slaughter all those people... he used ammunition that included fourteen AR-15 rifles [[all of which were equipped with bump stocks and twelve of which had 100-round magazines), eight AR-10 rifles, a bolt-action rifle, and a revolver. A bump stock modifies a semi-automatic weapon so that it can shoot in rapid succession, mimicking automatic fire.
The NRA is all powerful lobby that allowed this type of slaughter to happen and here it is 2 years later and the politicians that the NRA has in their pockets... have done next to nothing [[it took 2 years to even ban bump stocks).
So when I hear dipshits saying "The NRA ain't killed nobody".... I just shake my head in disbelief at some of their comments.
FYI... my late father was a hunter for over 40 years, and he was an NRA member. He always used to say what sport do you use semi-automatic weapons in? Certainly not in bagging deer, rabbits, wild boars, bears, or other game that he went hunting for.
No the only game semi-automatic weapons are for is slaughtering the innocents. And you don't even have to worry about bagging the limit.... :mad:
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Originally Posted by Gistok
Semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are commonly used for hunting and have been for more than half a century. Waterfowl, wild pigs, doves, crows, coyotes and even deer. All species that I myself have harvested using a semi-automatic shotgun, rifle or handgun in the last 30 years. If you were to visit a state game area such as Michigan's Harsen's Island or Fish Pointe you would see 50% or more of the hunters there carrying a semi-auto shotgun.
Well my father passed away 20 years ago, and he was the head of a hunters group. Didn't see a single semi-automatic weapon among any of his group photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
So now hunters prefer the easy way... where it doesn't require as much skill. And just look at the side effects of this on the greater population.
I don't blame the NRA members... just the fact that schools have to have safety drills other preparations... and children are really frightened. But it seems that the NRA is against every precaution that politicians propose. :[[
I'm not against hunting... just the methodology today. My father was a sportsman all his life, and the hallway of my house I decorated as a memorial to his passion for hunting. I just don't care for toll it's taking these last 25 years....
The NRA was founded in 1871,the worst school shooting in history or bombing was in 1927 in Bath Michigan,useing the NRA as a scapegoat instead of ones personal responsibility is typical of today’s society where blame is placed on everywhere but the individual.
Kids went from watching Father Knows Best to playing call of duty 24/7 where the more kills you get the more popular you are.We allow kids to be conditioned and numb to violence then ask why,easier to blame the NRA.
The NRA is not a inate object it is comprised of 5 million plus members,so when you blame the NRA you are blaming its members but doing zero but instilling a everybody is a winner concept into kids minds and providing safe spaces and millions of reasons for them to get offended.
Then when they get pissed off and grab a gun and shoot people instead of self reflection it is find somebody else to blame,because that is what we instill and find exceptable.
People have been doing whacked out crap for years,in the past only the worst made the nightly news and most of the rest stayed local,with the Internet every single act of violence is recorded countrywide in real time.
Detroit or any other city you could proably go back 100 years and find daily and weekly shootings.
In 1966, an ex-Marine and engineering student named Charles Whitman ascended to the observation deck of the Austin campus’ 30-floor clock tower. Whitman began shooting at random, hitting 43 people and killing 13 of them.
https://timeline.com/during-the-nati...k-43bc18a3ddc3
And in 1966 in Texas students were allowed to carry firearms.
You can ban all the weapons in the country and pass a million laws to prevent shootings,but guess what murder is illegal and against the law,good thing those laws worked so well that we no longer have murders.
Unless you kill everybody at childbirth that has a bad DNA gene you are going to have people that snap or are just plain crazy or are raised with zero conscience and as long as we continue the whole concept of zero consequences for ones actions it will continue as it has for 1000s of years,people are going to do bad things and there is nothing we can do to stop it,no matter who we find to place the blame on.
As usual politics raises its ugly head in an ugly situation. Way too simple a solution for the simple.
What are the NRA bashers gonna do about Hollywood gun fantasy/violence in every action movie. Gangster life, peer pressure, video gaming, the need for the military for young folk immersed in the technology used in combat.
The list goes on. But, go after a powerful lobby that has every right to lobby and demonize that lobby. That is another game altogether.
Control and spoon feed the narrative, it's pure political theater and will not solve the base violent tendencies playing out in the cities. Hatred comes from every corner and politics has a place in fomenting that as well as religion, the injustice of the day or whatever divisive social construct you can think of.
You are being manipulated. Yes, yes you are. It's a big industry and a lot of really big money and smart people are involved in it.
All it takes is for a small minority to spoil it for the majority. Politically leverage up the issue, make it bigger and sell it to the masses. Hey,you want to solve all this? Do it at the ballot box!!
Yeah, sure.
This is not just about the reaction to the NRA. The same can be applied to a host of issues one can find offensive, to be politicized, demonized, weaponized, and monetized for the Cause celebre.
Oh yeah, one more thing.
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Nothing... they [[the hollywood elite) love to glorify gun violence in their movies, yet dictate who should be ALLOWED to own a firearm. Hypocritical BUNK!!
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Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
I don't watch those kinds of movies. Never really did, but I don't watch TV or movies at all any more.
While the NRA of the past may have been different, currently they have reduce themselves to political lobbyists hellbent on eliminating all laws on weaponry and are rife with infighting.
Oh yeh. Their personal security likely carry guns. They live in gated white communities whilst forcing diversity and shoving open borders down our throats. Always looking for tax breaks yet push socialism [[higher taxes) on everyone else. MF’s are always on the wrong side of the right thing to do. I’m happy to see Hollywood’s era is burning out. Let’s hope they don’t capture the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Um, yeah...:rolleyes:...They are our new priests pushing their morality from all high, quite exclusively; presenting a most progressive orthodoxy. My fav is the open border stuff. So long as they're very FAR from any repercussions!
They also send their children to private schools away from the diversity!
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Originally Posted by SammyS
Let’s not forget their ruthless attempts to break up families through atheism, emasculation of men and promotion of radical feminism. If Hollywood’s prime objective was to corrupt society, then I’ve got to credit them for giving it a good shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
^^^ You mean, treating all people as equal, regardless of background, belief or lifestyle?
Ok, so without reading the title of this thread. It literally has me asking what shooting happened downtown, lol. Can someone...you know what back to the regularly scheduled programming.
^^^ Hah! Yes, well I do still wonder what that huge crowd with police sirens-a-blazing was by the post office 'downtown' on Fort street....?
Yeah, but even you know there are some folks it's best not to meddle with!
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Originally Posted by Gistok
Sigh,...
The NRA has nothing to do with this. Nutballs do.
The guy in Vegas was on Psycotropic drugs,.. which say right on the labels that they cause suicidal thoughs, halucinations, etc. [[Prozac, Luvox, Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro, etc)
This has been true for decades,. and nearly every mass shooter has been on them.
The Columbine shooter was on Luvox
The Virginia tech shooter was on them [[Officials never released the actual name of the drug)
Colorado theater shooter was on Zoloft
Vegas shooter was on Diazepam
Navy Yard shooter who killed 12 plus himself was on Trazodone.
These shootings are a mental health and prescription drug issue,.. not a gun issue.
We need to start going after big pharma and re-opening our mental health facilities.
And hood rats shooting each-other over sneakers is an entirely different subject.
Does anyone like eagles? And also belong to the NRA, and
attend meetings, and keep in contact with NRA lobbyists?
Will the NRA listen to enough of you if you contact them
asking to lobby for a ban on lead bullets and lead shot?
Thanking you in advance on behalf of eagles, other wildlife,
and persons who survived gunshot wounds where the
ammo consisted of lead.
https://www.gowildlife.org/martin-tyner/
Mr. Tyner has rehabbed eagles that had lead poisoning. He
is a firm believer in raising awareness of lead poisoning
in wildlife through inviting the general public to his eagle
releases. He is certain that this awareness saves more
raptors than however many he could rehabilitate at his
wildlife center.
Just a bit off topic...Happy Fourth of July...For God and
Country and the National Bird...
The NRA has been very active in opposing bans of lead ammo. Why? Because a previous President they openly hated tried to enact one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumpling
The NRA is NOT your friend in any way.
The NRA is the only organization that is constantly blamed for things its members didn't do.
The NRA is a well-funded politically active organization that
a bloc of voters endorses.
As an organization promoting firearm safety, it could advocate for
removing lead from ammunition as a way to enhance firearm
safety. If enough individual NRA members agree on this point
then it will come to pass.
Wow. Besides hi jacking your own thread. Which suggests a certain ingenuous sincerity about the Original Post. It appears your true intention was to bash the NRA. Your extremism is showing. Give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
It's been near bankruptcy for a few years. It's run by a bunch of screw-ups using donations to enrich themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumpling
I’m not buying that semi - auto is just for slaughtering people notion. Lots of people use semi’s for lots of different stuff. I guy I know hunts deer with a S&W Ar15 chambered in 7.62x39. He likes it, the ammo is inexpensive. The .223- 5.56 round is a great flat shooting cartridge used for all types of small game. Bird hunters and Trap shooter may very well use semi - auto shotguns. If you don’t use a double barrel or an over and under it’s got to be a pump or a semi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
I’m about as anti gun control as a person can be but I don’t think 30 round and higher magazines are necessary, but there is the slippery slope idea - I understand that too.
It’s amazing that sense thier inception in the 1800s so many still do not know what a semi automatic actually is verses fully automatic.
Trying to ban semi automatics brings you back to the black powder days but even with a non semi automatic six shooter there were some that could fire off multiple rounds pretty quick.
If you are wild boar hunting and a 300# boar starts charging you,a 30 round magazine is nice.
Years ago California banned the .22 squirrel hunting rifle,that was the sears $59 Christmas present for a child’s first gun for generations.
How bad a shot are your friends?Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.
We only seem to make the slippery slope argument on gun regulations, and never on traffic laws or banking regulations or dentist licensing.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
^ Maybe because dentists,banking laws and traffic laws are not constitutionally protected,you know that silly little piece of paper that some only want to apply when it suits them.
Or applied to people not interested in the organization [[I seriously doubt most law abiding, registered gun owners in Detroit are NRA members or seeking their approval).
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The "slippery slope" analogy may not be the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by archfan
Most Laws are "chipped away at".
With whatever strategy works.
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Originally Posted by Zacha341
You'd be surprised, Zach341, even Black gun owners. [[am I allowed to say that?)
^^^^ You're allowed! Hah!
Yes, I'm sure some black people are members just as there are some black republicans. To allow no variance [[even variance you disagree with) from our community is to continue racial stereotypes -- something the far left needs to be remember!!
I just don't like the whole cloth narrative of the NRA applied to Detroiter's, that's not our story per se.
The guy I referred to who uses the AR15 chambered in 7.62 x39 to hunt deer is a former Detroit cop who was with U.S Marshall service for a while. I would venture to say he knows his way around a rifle, shotgun and handgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by archfan
Back on topic... I agree with the OP that not nearly enough people are talking about the issue at hand in southeast MI
Detroit Michigan’s reputation for abundant homicide is beyond bad on the national level. We are the ruler that others use as the measure for the very worst. Ignoring it or using the extremely out dated “all cities have it” is total ignorance because many cities have had success at lowering their homicide rates significantly.
The reality is that the reputation alone for violent gun crime in Detroit has cost the entire metro area Billions of dollars in growth, capital investment and economic diversification for decades now. It is long past time in realizing that simple fact and to put more resources into the problem.
Community policing has shown promise in other cities. Bring it here with scale. Tougher enforcement of all illegal gun crimes will also have to be part of the solution. More educated highly trained better paid law enforcement is necessary. We need to invest in solutions that work.
Currently Detroit is thought of nationally as a city that is rising off of absolute rock bottom. A serious reduction in the homicide rate would be a major signal that things are actually changing for the better exponentially and would bring badly needed economic diversification and better paying jobs to the entire metro area.
For once this state needs to aggressively address a major drawback to the region. Wealth does not gravitate to fear. It never will. That is simple common sense.
Former Utah Jazz star Carl Malone is an NRA Board of Directors member, right up there with "Uncle" Ted Nugent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Btw a "semi-automatic" only discharges one shot per trigger pull. Most people are confusing semi and full automatic. But don't let that get in the way of a gun ban.
Thanx, but I am aware of the differences. I came from the "Saturday Nights Special" era, [[never owned one) and a firm believer in "when guns get outlawed, outlaws will have guns". Very few legitimate weapon owners buy and register them with the intent of robbing people in parking lots.Quote:
Originally Posted by pjbear05
Oh yes, I am aware of the distinction. Funny how some want to disband one form of killing yet oblivious to others...:rolleyes:...
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