Hi!
Of all the classic beauties built on Windmill Pointe Drive, I have a question regarding two modern homes built next to each other.
15650 Windmill Pointe Dr
Grosse Pointe Park.
Anyone have any information on them? Interior or exterior photos?
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Hi!
Of all the classic beauties built on Windmill Pointe Drive, I have a question regarding two modern homes built next to each other.
15650 Windmill Pointe Dr
Grosse Pointe Park.
Anyone have any information on them? Interior or exterior photos?
Google is your friend
15650 Windmill Pointe is hardly a modern home. It is 69 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by pskorupskas
I do believe you're confusing modernism with age. Many modern masterpieces are likewise 70ish years old - Mies' Farnsworth House for example. Here in Detroit, his Lafayette Park is 63 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
What you are saying may be correct if the original poster had used the words "mid century modern" and not "modern".Quote:
Originally Posted by gpp1004
So, is anybody going to answer the question[[s)?
"Anyone have any information on them? Interior or exterior photos? "
No, I’m correct as stated. By all means, Sy. Do some research as to what modernism is.
As to the history of these two properties, hopefully p69rrh51 will chime in. He is the resident historical architecture expert. You can also reach out to Grosse pointe historical. Izzy is very helpful there.
I'm sure he'll reply and @ least have some historical info for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by gpp1004
Wow, is it the 70s again and is this a Bell Telephone commercial?Quote:
Originally Posted by gpp1004
'Reach out and punch someone'? Or it went something like that anyways. Where did this phrase come from again .... and why?
I am quite familiar with the definition of modernism, thank you very much. Had the original poster used the word "modernist" rather than "modern" you would be correct. By all means gpp1004, do some research into the definitions of the words "modern" and "modernist" and endeavor to understand the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by gpp1004
See, now I would argue that modern architecture is any design that is rooted in the principles of modernism. One can build a modern home today [[well, if it was possible to build a home in a day). Likewise, one could also build a contemporary neoclassical home today that is decidedly un-modern. My point being - 69 years ago, both modern and classical design was happening. These two homes could very well be modern. They might not be. From what I can see from my lazy assessment on google maps, the one with the pool looks more moderny [[it's a technical term) than the one with the circle driveway. Given the context of the original post, with many styles on Windmill Pointe ranging from Hogwarts to Mini-Versailles, the two homes in question are at least more modern than the 'classical beauties' referenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
Spent a lot of time in that house. On 3 levels, 1 to the left and 2 to the right. Has a basement as well under the main level to the left.
Ooh we're getting somewhere with house info. What more do you have Charles? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GPCharles
There is a Facebook page called "Grosse Pointe Architecture" that you can join and the admin can answer questions about pretty much any place in the Pointes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pskorupskas
^^ Why not help people on THIS board instead of directing them offsite?
Because I, personally, don't know anything about those houses; how do you expect me to "help"him? And I am helping him by telling him of a place where he can find his info. If you know about those houses, why don't you tell him about it? Apparently nobody on here has a clue about them.
Not a big deal. The time it took you to type this, you could have looked it up yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
15650 Windmill Pointe Drive is what is now referred to as Mid Century Modern. Unfortunately I have not been able to find the architect or builder of the house.
15630 Windmill Pointe Drive is also a MCM house. The house was designed by Ray Bradley Storer and built in 1961.
Why not send people to a group that is dedicated to Grosse Pointe's Architecture? On the other hand all jcole was doing was sending people to a DYes member. Grosse Pointe Architecture is my Facebook group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
I wasn't sure it was you who runs GPA, but I thought it might have been. Glad you saw this thread and answered about one of the houses. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by p69rrh51
A clear question.
A nonsensical argument.
A call for reason.
more nonsense.
Pleas for sanity.
sniping.
Rescue.
You're welcome jcole!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
First, I had no idea GPA even existed or I would've suggested it. Second, when it comes to historical structures, uda man! As it turns out, you did have the right answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by p69rrh51
I'm late to this, and I'm sorry it's long, but I found some drama associated with 15650 Windmill Pointe Dr. The article is from the Grosse Pointe News' March 16, 1961 edition. It describes a court case between the owner of the house, Grosse Pointe Realtors, and property associations. It was important enough to be the lead story for the day. I'll quote the article directly:
Circumstances which led to the court suit began in 1956 when Maxwell informed the Grosse Pointe Property Owners' Association that he had received offers to purchase his home at 15650 Windmill Pointe Drive, which was two-thirds completed, from Negro families.
Maxwell indicated that he might accept such an offer because of personal financial difficulties. Maxwell said he needed $10,000 to retain the title of the house under construction.
Upon learning of Maxwell's difficulties, property owners in the Windmill Pointe area formed an association called Grosse Pointe Properties, Inc., which loaned Maxwell $40,000 to help him out of his difficulties. Maxwell has since repaid $15,000 of this amount.
In return for the aid offered by Properties Inc., Maxwell agreed that sale of the house would be approved by him and the association which had loaned him the money... Maxwell said that the house had cost him roughly $170,000 to build.
Maxwell wanted to break the agreement.
Paul Mason, acting as secretary of the Grosse Pointe Brokers Association, notified the local realtors by post card that Maxwell might be willing to entertain offers for [$70,000].
Maxwell then decided that the realtors were conspiring to lessen the value of his property and had defamed the house. He instigated the damage suit which contained two aspects, 1) charges against realtors for lessening the value of his house and 2) an attempt to break his agreement with Grosse Pointe Properties.
In the end, the Judge decided the property association couldn't tell Maxwell who to sell to; the loan was actually a mortgage which meant he owed interest; and the Realtors were cleared of defaming the house.
This was interesting to me as a snapshot of how things worked [[very openly) in GP back in the day. It would be interesting to see a 1960s GP resident visit the Pointes today.
pskorupskas, I've been in that house, if I get you right with the address. ANd what I saw - perfect modern interior style, and every single appliance they have is top-notch, like they even have touchless faucets [[like these: https://cozyhousetoday.com/best-touc...aucet-reviews/). So they made it like they gonna live in there. No doubt about it...
Here it is, I think ...
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Hideously sterile.
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Originally Posted by briann8
Extremely beautiful. No pasted on ugly historical bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rb336
Oh I don't know... nothing says "kitchen" quite like a pair of oversized teak fork and spoon on the wall... and an assortment of copper bundt cake and Jello molds in assorted shapes and sizes... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by ndavies
lest we forget a fake rooster and faux ivy above the 'artisan' medium tone oak cabinets with crown molding. also a sign saying 'count your blessings' or 'bless this house' somewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
My condolences, who died?Quote:
Originally Posted by hybridy
Actually, it did in the 60's and that's when this was designed.
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Originally Posted by Gistok
Ah... but there must have been some remodeling since.... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by jcole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0s-w_mPu4
If the cabinet doors were painted red or black it would be an example of the current rage of a European kitchen,they have also always been into the no appliances protrude past the cabinets.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I have some paperwork from the 1950s when the US Department of Kitchens existed,a government agency that was formed to actually design ergonomic kitchens,the galley kitchen was considered the most efficient.
I also agree it looks sterile,the other one,outside of the popcorn ceiling to me looks nice but overdone to the point of dark and dreary,maybe the choice of wall tile.
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Originally Posted by Richard
Now there's a great use for my tax dollars. I like the kitchen in the first photo. It looks clean, roomy, bright, and looks like you can get in there and whip something up. hybridy's photo looks exactly those complementary kitchens that come with the viewing room @ a funeral home. The only thing missing is the plastic container from Kroger's, with the three month shelf life sandwich rolls. The wax fruit is also a nice touch.
First one is too sterile; second too dark. I like an old country kitchen
I typed in detroityes and ended up on houzz :confused:
^ Multi tasking,neighborhood history and kitchen ideas,all rolled up in one friendly site,what more could one ask for?
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Originally Posted by Richard
You won't get that on a FL forum....
Bringing in logs for the stove will keep you in shape too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
Houzz that going for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by gpp1004
No,because all the mean Yankees come down here with thier love of sprawl and anti transit views and trying to mimic the place they left,then they get mad when the alligators eat thier little dogs because they walk them on the waters edge,even after being told it is not a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Most likely if the house in question was down here it would have been demolished so a new one could be built.
We have to look to Detroit for the beauty in architecture,Florida was not much until the 1950s,some of the past has been preserved,most gets eaten by termites,hurricanes and bulldozers.
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Originally Posted by Richard
It's not the alligators that bother me so much as those damn armadillos. I don't trust them. Once they roll up into a ball, who knows what they're capable of?
ba-dum-chingQuote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Some kitchens beg for a 'Trading Spaces' response.... [[beauty is in the eye of the beholder).... :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8myin_ZMIo
I was thinking the same...lol:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gpp1004
pumping the water helps, too.https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...57959125501076http://project21.club/data/homes-kit...en-designs.jpg
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
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Originally Posted by jcole
Not too bad jcole, I could live with that. Reminiscent of friend's historic home in Romeo. Same style of cabinetry.
Thanks everyone for all the help? I only meant "modern" as a comparison to some of the "grand estates" you see along that road. I personally think both are amazing from the outside and am surprised there isn't more floating around google.
Love this forum.
Thanks everyone for all the help***!****