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Of course she is entitled to wear whatever she wants, and she is a very pretty women, very smart and capable too. I watched about 2 minutes of that speech because I got bored. To me, I thought that dress was a little too tight, couldn’t understand why she would wear that, it just didn’t fit her very well.
Nobody cares what a Male politician wears. The fact that so many people are concerned over what a female wears just goes to show that they are not treated equally. She was appropriately covered and god-forbid her body has a few curves...She delivered a professional message, whether or not people agreed with it.
This should not be an issue.
Trump wears some of the cheapest-looking and most ill-fitting suits I've ever seen on a major politician. You'd certainly never know he's a wealthy man from the way he dresses.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitSoldier
^^^ Hah! He seems to have a penchant for never-ever buttoning his suit jackets to boot!!
Yes, yes and yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitSoldier
hey Softailrider can we STFU about how women dress please.
Here's some musings on DJT:
POTUS scotch tapes his tie together because he's too corpulent. Poor Melanie prolly uses scotch tape on her eyes to get through her wifely duties during 'executive time'
http://time.com/4588846/donald-trump-clothing-hack-tie/
"Dog bites man; that's not news. Man bite dog; now that's news."
Old quip.^
Gov. wears blue dress; that's not news. If the state of the state was boring that's probably good news.
Her dress was probably fine in person; certain fabrics photograph poorly; just watch the local news some days and see what some of those women wear.
And, as said above, if this was a male Governor, no one would say a word. Does no one remember John Engler?
This is just a way to make her look "weak and womanly" even though her speech was fine and she did what was required: she talked about the state the State is in. I find it more than sad that a lot of the people denigrating her were women.
"Boys have teased me about my curves since 5th grade. My mom said “hold your head high and don’t let it bother you.”
That @Fox2News story was way out of line.
I’m tough, I can take it."
Absolutely agree. The weekend weather person on channel 2 wears clothing like she going to a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
This is so incredibly sexist. Stop scrutinizing women for their appearances. Please, take it somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
She truly is a Pig and she is going to eat your lunch!
Posts like this are why I hope Lowell introduces a block function on this site at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
The only reason I know this is an important[[!) issue is because the various websites [[e.g. ClickOnDetroit) were talking about it.
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Originally Posted by casscorridor
So which is it? Should we treat male and female politicians equally or is the physical appearance of Governor Whitmer off limits because she is a woman? [[I thought her dress looked fine by the way)There are probably dozens of comments on this forum about President Trump's hair, weight, ill fitting suits or his scotch taped tie [[There are already a few in this thread). So if Whitmer is not being treated equally, it's not exactly in the way that many here are suggesting.
I'm all for equality, but it's laughable to think that the clothing choice or physical appearance of men and women should, or ever will be treated equally. Most male politicians wear the same basic attire as the next, and rarely does one stand out from the crowd. Also, the simple fact being that once men reach a certain age most simply don't care much about what they wear, and they definitely don't care about what other men wear. A male politician is likely to be wearing the basic thing he's worn for the last 20 years.
I agree - You can be fat and out of shape as he is and look decent in a suit. Jackie Gleason looked great in a suit. Trump always looks awful. And that hair......Uhg.
When Governor Whitmer goes off on twitter demeaning the look of men or tosses out kindergarten insults at all of her opponents while having the thinnest skin imaginable about any criticism towards herself we can start treating her as we treat Trump. Fair?
A comparison towards Trump is ridiculous and downplays the sexism that has existed in politics.
The fact that FOX2 thought it would be worth compiling a bunch of tweets from slimeballs living in their parents basement and tweeting about the Gov's appearance says a lot about the state of media.
Men's appearances aren't heavily scrutinized. Obviously the genders should be treated equally, meaning the focus shouldn't be on her appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
Has there been a male politician in history where his outfits are the primary topic of discussion?
WHO CARES!
I'm more interested in where she is going to find the money to "Fix the damn roads."
I think it was John Kennedy that said he was surprised to find out upon taking office that things were as bad as he had been saying they were during his campaign. I think Whitmer is finding out the same thing. You can't fix the damn roads without the damn money.
Here's a link to the discussion about Whitmer's speech [[Minus commentary about her dress). It only has 10 posts, so I guess the dress must interest forumers more than the speech. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bham1982
https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...e-address-2019
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitSoldier
Give it time and we'll be bitching about her great pair of politics instead. To be honest I'm partial to this topic.
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Originally Posted by softailrider
I didn't think those shoes went well with that dress either. She should learn how to accessorize.
I would be willing to bet that Trumps suits are custom made $2000.00 and up per copy. I would doubt he wears off the rack stuff from Joseph A. Bank or any other place.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsideAl
Didn’t see her shoes. I guess I missed my opportunity to critique the entire thing - I’ll watch more carefully next time and report back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
I figured that this issue would come up because she is a good looking woman and looked it at the state of the state.
People will often use physical looks as a attack point on anyone with different political views as there own. On women especially unfortunately. Pathetic sexist or racist irrelevant arguments are the only thing some have the mental capacity to present.
Stupid shallow people with low self esteem can’t really be changed so we will have to move on regardless.
Trump always looks awful, because he is awful and despicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by carolcb
That prude could wear a burlap sack, and I'd still think the same of him. He's a embarrassment, just the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
I have no idea what John Engler, Jennifer Granholm, Bill Milliken or Rick Snyder’s bellybutton looks like.
I prefer not to know.
I wish such an intimate personal detail was denied me in the recent State of the State.
So who sat and watched the WHOLE thing , just because of the dress.....
Bellybutton? do you people hear yourselves? You're so easily distracted, that's why the rich keep easily destroying the standard of living in this country.
They are the Parasitic Saboteurs in Power™ and their flying monkeys are trying to incite a riot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
Have they taught you hyperbole and sarcasm in your high school yet? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
There are people that claim to have been able to see the outline of her bellybutton through her dress but it would’ve been very difficult through that tall wooden desk she was behind.
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Originally Posted by Gistok
There were the comments about Snyder's scuba outfit, but I'm not sure that's the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit
All of the criticism about her dress is just plain rude and uncalled for though.
I did a thread when her name first popped up because I saw a couple of decent pictures. Most of the ones I've seen since are nothing special.
As long as she doesn't screw up like so many of the others, does it really matter what she wears or how she does her hair?
As far as DonDon, can you put a suit on a pumpkin and make it look better?
^ double standard much?
Mob guys do not think twice with a $3000 suit where Warren Buffet would never even think of paying that for one while others will pay $300 for a pair of sneakers before paying the rent.
But to me the op was more about double standards or it could have just been about a blue dress.
Have to agree with you on that, Richard. Buffett surely didn't get rich buying and wearing $3,000 suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
I have no idea what "Snyder's Scuba Outfit" is code forQuote:
Originally Posted by archfan
Yes, it's visible as she was walking in or out of the auditorium. At least that's what I thought it was. Go back to my previous post.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
Yes, she is a very good looking woman, and commenting on her dress is normal if said dress distracts from her message given that it is not well adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
But beyond that, it is ruder to disparage her looks like you seem to imply than her dress. I believe that criticizing her fashion sense is fair. I think this BS that people are not also interested in what a person has to say on account of their looks or whatever else on the same page is more an insult to their humanity. Most people can distinguish between a person's message and their demeanor and comment in both without being labeled racist or sexist and whatnot. The dress is ill fitting but at the end of the day, it doesn't take away from her ability to govern. It may be that in the future, she will get help from someone on her wardrobe choices, and this goes for Chump too, God love him.
Melania Trump’s Most Controversial Fashion Choices
OCTOBER 10, 2018 5:55 Vaniety Fair
By now, Melania Trump should be used to criticism of her wardrobe. And yet, when her decision to wear a pith helmet during a trip to Africa earned another round of media attention, Trump told reporters, “I wish people would focus on what I do, not what I wear.”
That’s right, Warren Buffet wears cheap suits, drives a 15 year old Cadillac, has been living in the same modest house for decades but flys around in his own private jet. I think all the talk about his frugality is a bunch of bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
I didn't say anything negative about her looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
And nothing is acceptable about the criticism of her dress, unless you're implying it's acceptable for people to be petty.
Don't be so coy, your comment implied you didn't find her to be good looking. Fair enough, that is your assessment. If you find your comment offensive, just retract yourself, ask for forgiveness and focus on her dress.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
It is your constipational right to freeze peach to comment on what you deem fair game or not.
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Originally Posted by softailrider
Dead on, dead on.
That's some cold plugged up pits right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
I do not know,is a jet cheaper then maintaining multiple staffed offices and massive towers,a house one pretty much spends most of the time sleeping in so size in that case proably does not matter,it is unlikely a national salesman would be tooling around to meetings on a Vespa,so in his case it could be more economical to jet around.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
As much money as he has made investors in the past he could proably show up in a 20 year old blue dress and nobody would care.
Disclaimer,I use his company for commercial insurance,because it was cheaper then private car insurance.
That may be true. But that doesn't mean I think negatively of her looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
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Originally Posted by 313WX
I respect your expression. I also think if you had refrained from a sidewinding comment on her physical appearance and chosen to comment on her choice of garment as a no go, it might have looked better.
What is worse, really? To comment on someone's choice of a dress, or her physical appearance?
As participants in a social forum, we are all now doing what caricaturists or political commenters, or fashion editorialists have been doing for millenia, em... I mean Melania.
If a politician can't take the comment on her dress, than she won't be handling the other, denser stuff that comes her way.
I woudln't tell someone, anyone really that their choice of dress is poor, unless I knew the person well, and surmised that the comment wouldn't hurt the person in question.
But a politician has to be groomed or helped along to understand that their presentation is important in delivering a message. Likewise, the target of caricature, and other commentary is fair game unless really insulting. I don't think less of your Governor, in spite of this minor glitch, which I assign to inexperience. Besides, she is a looker. I can say that.
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Originally Posted by Richard
I tend to be more environmentally conscious these days, so I use my private jet less and less.
I don't see a post you made that refers to her bellybutton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
And again, I can say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
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Originally Posted by 313WX
You can say that again, which you did. lol
click on the free press article i posted and scroll down. there should be a picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
OK, I saw it now, but I honestly believe that this is because of the way that dress photographs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
Whatever he flys in,whether his or not,the same amount of fuel is being burned and if people were really that invironmentally conscious they would take the train and not fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
He actually owns NetJets,which is a shared ownship company so he does not really have a personal private jet.
So was the blue dress made with invironmental friendly materials?
Big Moustaffa clearly expressed she looked fine in the dress before & after she ate the 5# burrito.....
If a governor's wardrobe is Michigan's worst problem, we must be doing very well indeed.
Yea, Michigan! <sigh>
Yep, shadow is visible. She's not a model-thin woman, no. But certainly not obese! Cameras add 10 or 15 joyful lbs to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
Since women continue to judged by different standards than men [[and no, I'm not a third-wave feminist --:cool:--) a fitted, short black tailored jacket, buttoned mid-drift over the dress would have concealed this. Dresses that cling showcase alot. Short black jacket, buttoned = no b-b shadow.
PS. Nice dress IMO - wouldn't mind having in my wardrobe...
https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ch/2873299002/
At least she did dress like a lady,it seems like usually women are more critical of what other women wear.
With most men some nice stockings and a little cleavage and she could be wearing a burlap bag and it would not matter.
I agree with her sediment of out of shape men judging women but on the other hand one sees a lot of women with out of shape men.
Her curves message is a good one though,some do not perfer Twix sticks on legs and like they say,for every drop dead gorgeous woman there is somebody out there tired of her crap.Where the heart is lasts longer then ones subjective views.
I wasn't around much back then .... did people get all flustered over Granny Jenny's frocks?
^^^ I remember hearing that. No pleasing anyone. Just wear a blazer pants suit and be done with it. Hah!
People here saying she has a "pot belly" are creeping me out, keep that body shaming to yourself.
I met her at that State of Michigan Building on the Blvd. Cadillac something or other, she was surprisingly tall. Didn’t look like there was an ounce of fat on that lady.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
Governor Granholm generally wore a blouse and black blazer, so instead of picking at her wardrobe, they concentrated on shaming her for having a mole on her face.
I think that her blue dress looked nice on her. She is just a full figured woman who is and also dresses down to earth with no fanfare. Those are the qualities that I want in a Governor. It shows that he is all about business and not trying to win a fashion show or be on some type of glamour magazine.
At least she didn't wear a codpiece. Imagine the outrage! ;)
Lol, no code, just a goofy campaign ad.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
It wasn't the comments on her dress that she objected to; it was Fox2 doing a story on the comments and reposting them all, even anonymous ones, that were very insulting, including some about "nice cans" and then trying to pass it off as an anti-bullying story.
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Originally Posted by canuck
Don't know how I missed that one. Thanks
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Originally Posted by archfan
This might be the grossest thread in DetroitYes history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldsgreatest
People let’s pay attention to what she could do for Michigan and not to whether or not that she has a pot belly or her blue dress is not fitting her properly. Governor Snyder rarely worn a tie and Mayor Dugan has to be the worse dressed Mayor that we had in over 60 years but who cares as long as Dugan take care of the business of helping bringing the city back