Detroit is NO LONGER the motor city - accept it - it's over
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/artic...n#.WypzoKdKiUl
................the best is at the end of the article
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Detroit is NO LONGER the motor city - accept it - it's over
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/artic...n#.WypzoKdKiUl
................the best is at the end of the article
I wouldn't say the Motor City moniker is dead, but Keith Crain's article is him whining and throwing a tantrum that he no longer can do 60 mph on Jefferson in his Cadillac CTS.
Angry old man yells at bicycle cloud.
Detroit MUST - move past his mindset and those like him - to evolve.
We are no longer number one in the world, face it, swallow it, move on.
Or here's an idea. Instead of ignoring those who don't think like you, consider respecting their opinions and ideas. Maybe they'll come around to your point of view. Or maybe you'll even come to understand theirs!Quote:
Originally Posted by O3H
It became no longer the buggy manufacturing city with the advent of the motor car and now may evolve into something else.
It does not erase its past contributions to this country and the rest of the world,that should always be respected and honored.
Who cares if somebody wants to ride a bike to work or pleasure,thier taxes are paying for the use,so they retain the right.
It becomes a dangerous endeavor mixing with drivers not paying attention,if it takes bike lanes to save lives then lay them out,seat belts are required to save lives why should bike safety measures be less relevant.
Detroit will always be known as the "Motor City" even if it's no longer true.
I think the difference is world wide Detroit=The American automobile where as New York = New York,at best Ellis island for generations past.
I guess the ability to actually attach an object to the name that one can touch and feel,verses just a name.
I have no idea what this thread is discussing.
What does an article discussing Keith Crain's reaction to a bike lane on Jefferson Ave. have to do with the relative viability of the primary economic base of Metro Detroit?
Re. the lane, Crain is right that there will be few bikes, and it's probably a waste and symbolic gesture trying to copy cities with actual demand for bike lanes [[Detroit tends to follow other cities, just five years later, and with, ahem, differing results). The Lower East Side of Detroit is largely empty and dangerous, and you kinda need people to have bikers.
That said, who gives a crap? Doesn't really harm drivers. Jefferson is never congested and DPD doesn't monitor speed limits. So it takes 2 more minutes to drive in from GP Farms.
The silliest bike lanes are in Warren. Have yet to see a rider. I'm sure that the sagging bungalow blocks of South Warren are a real hotbed of the urban biker set. The Macomb seniors don't seem to understand how to turn across a bike lane, so potential biker beware.
^ define "cannot see the forest for the trees"
Bham raises a good point; I am pro-bike lane myself, but that doesn't mean we should recklessly turn every street in Metro Detroit into a bike-friendly utopia... Same thing with mass transit; I am for it, but that doesn't mean I automatically support every mass transit bill that sees the light of day.
DETROIT: a place where residents walk down the middle of the street because sidewalks limit visibility of incoming attackers
DETROIT: where you can run every red light on hamilton on up to mcnichols after bar close cause there are no other cars
DETROIT: jefferson avg speed is 55 in a 35 cause its 10 f'ing lanes wide
DETROIT: where ppl complain about gentrification and bike lanes, while foreclosures/evictions/property seizures, crime and violence are still sky high
^ today okay,but a city also needs to look at 5,10,20 years down the road or bike path,7 years ago it was the city was never going to recover but yet here you are little by little,nothing wrong with being proactive.
A so called ""journalist"" definitely can't find the pulse of the city.
A huge ""communications empire"" blinded by the myths of the past.
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/s...ivcapId=866856
How about reporting on the FACTS as they are now, currently, today ;
-- and skip all that nostalgistic jazz of a time long gone by the wayside
Median income in Detroit is something like $25,000
and it's running a 40% poverty rate the last few years.
All 670,000 folks are not rushing out and grabbing a new car note.
Detroit is about 138 square miles large. Everything is spread out wide.
You put in bike lanes for the idiots and they still bike
in the car lanes. You can't win.
Idiots PARK in the bike lanes, just like they PARK in the Q route line.
Tough to win when the coin drops 50/50 on either side
There's no such thing as a "car lane" per Michigan state law. A cyclist can still ride in the street legally, even if a bike lane is present. But please, keep lecturing us idiots.
Its funny I never thought it was the Motor City because we loved our automobiles. For me it was because we put the "world on wheels" with our manufacturing prowess. I can see his grousing about having to drive at more pedestrian speeds on E. Jefferson but its time to suck it up and get used to sharing the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
You may want to check the local ordinances. They vary from city to city.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGrant
In reality, there are simply some ideas and opinion that are so extreme or unrealistic that they don't deserve respect and should be ignored/ridiculed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
DETROIT: a place where residents walk down the middle of the street because sidewalks limit visibility of incoming attackers Really? I thought it was because so few people shovel their sidewalks and/or the condition of the sidewalks is worse than the street. I see this much more frequently in winter than summer.
DETROIT: where you can run every red light on hamilton on up to mcnichols after bar close cause there are no other cars 80% of that stretch is in Highland Park, but point taken. Pet peeve of mine is those who run red lights, roll through stop signs and speed down streets [[and ride their bikes on the sidewalk or the wrong way in the bike lane). It's so disrespectful. I love that road diets and bike lanes slow down surface street traffic. I don't care how wide and desolate they are...they're not your personal freeways.
DETROIT: jefferson avg speed is 55 in a 35 cause its 10 f'ing lanes wide See above
DETROIT: where ppl complain about gentrification and bike lanes, while foreclosures/evictions/property seizures, crime and violence are still sky high Agreed
DETROIT: a place where residents walk down the middle of the street because sidewalks limit visibility of incoming attackers Really? I thought it was because so few people shovel their sidewalks and/or the condition of the sidewalks is worse than the street. I see this much more frequently in winter than summer.
No, people in Detroit pretty much use the streets for walking, even in nice neighborhoods, where the sidewalks have been kept under repair, and ARE shoveled in the Winter.
DETROIT: where you can run every red light on hamilton on up to mcnichols after bar close cause there are no other cars 80% of that stretch is in Highland Park, but point taken. Pet peeve of mine is those who run red lights, roll through stop signs and speed down streets [[and ride their bikes on the sidewalk or the wrong way in the bike lane). It's so disrespectful. I love that road diets and bike lanes slow down surface street traffic. I don't care how wide and desolate they are...they're not your personal freeways.
And they're also not your personal bike paths.
DETROIT: jefferson avg speed is 55 in a 35 cause its 10 f'ing lanes wide See above
Also the terms right-of-way, share the road, STOP, red lights, or "bike lane", don't mean much to kiddies on bikes.
DETROIT: where ppl complain about gentrification and bike lanes, while foreclosures/evictions/property seizures, crime and violence are still sky high Agreed Agreed
They also don't mean much to many drivers in Detroit either. Let's run red lights, weave in and out of traffic usually doing 10 over [[my family calls that the Woodward School of Driving), doing 55 in a 35, parking in bike lanes, use one wide lane as two lanes and come up on you on the right doing 55 in a 35, and the oh so many scents of mary jane I've smelled while driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
That's Pure Detroit.
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Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Agreed ...
No one really focusing on Keith Crain, huh ?
Next time I'll just post another title as Bike Thread number ____
^ So was it your intent to bash Mr Crain as an individual or how his opinion differs on what others opinions are?
#Hijacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by O3H
I don't care how wide and desolate they are...they're not your personal freeways.
And they're also not your personal bike paths. Disagree. As long as riders are obeying the rules of the road [[going the correct way, etc.) bikes have full and legal access to all lanes of a road where they are not explicitly forbidden [[freeways and the like).
Also no one over the age of 12 should ever ride their bike on the sidewalk. It's not against the law in Detroit, but should be, especially in pedestrian-dense areas!!
Not really. I thought that was made pretty clear by some of the first responders. I didn't feel to need to pile on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
The reaction to Crain's editorial here was somewhat predictable, but the fact that the comments on the Crain's site itself were so overwhelmingly not in support of his editorial was heartwarming.
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Originally Posted by middetres
So, if the City has given cyclists explicit paths, and they choose to ride out of the explicit path, or not two abreast, in the right lane, not impeding traffic flow, then they are outside the law, no?
Crain is acting as a virtual spokesman for the internal combustion society that time is inevitably leaving behind. His family have made a very good living off of car culture and the car business that fed it, but he should only need to look at the car buying habits of younger consumers [[and their increasing use of alternative modes of transportation) and the creeping technological and production changes in the global auto industry to see that he is yelling into the wind. The negative reactions to his ridiculously antiquated screed should come as no surprise.
MOST Detroiters DO shovel their sidewalks, MOST sidewalks are in BETTER shape than the streets, and there's MUCH MORE street walking in the SUMMER than winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by middetres
Automobile drivers break the law daily - that's why traffic court exists.
Cycling has it's bad apples as well, and could be given citations.
Some cities even have a Scooter issue, on top of everything else
http://www.govtech.com/fs/transporta...ohibition.html
Will everyone be happy at some point, probably not, but progress happens anyway, regardless, and in some cases, in spite of total bliss.
When I lived in Boston Edison, yes most did, but few ever did their sidewalks along their side frontage if they lived on a corner lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towne Cluber
Where I am in LaSalle Gardens, very few shovel their walks, especially on the cross streets.
And in the 30 years I've lived in Detroit, from Palmer Park to Cass Corridor and in between, I've never seen more people walking in the streets in summer than in winter. But that's just my experience.
Is there a "special reason" the original post
doesn't show up in the Headline anymore ?
dtowncitylover did not start the thread ---
I'm still seeing it, O3H, so perhaps it was a glitch...Quote:
Originally Posted by O3H
It's not "started thread" it's "last post by"
Quote:
Originally Posted by O3H
.........No - it is not '''the last post by" ...........
It would appear someone did not care for my choice of wording
and just chopped it out, in favor of something else.
I guess I don't understand what you mean; the post is still there and it is on the Headline news page. It shows you as OP, but on the "Discuss Detroit" thread, it always shows who made the last post next to the headline next to replies/views.
Did they change the title or something?
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Originally Posted by O3H
I am still trying to figure out what the "gets owned" is about,did somebody purchase him at the flea market?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcole
He/she is looking @ the wrong thread.
Neither Palmer Park nor the Cass Corridor are representative of the average Detroit neighborhood--and naturally, they are also the least likely places to see people walking in the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by middetres
Just for Richard - we'll spell it out for you
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...etting%20owned
I doubt if I typed in """""getting his ass handed to him""""
it would pass the censors of this webpage
#beatdown #crushed #humiliated #spanked
Lol,you have never seen meddles description of his/her infatuation of big butts?
not a censored word,most just choose not to use the language,it is kinda confusing with multiple definitions,with the pound spanked,some people like that,so it could be construed that a nice thing happened.
Does the whole urban urban definition of things apply to suburbanites?
Anyways thanks for the clarification.
Shhhhhhhh - Don't tell Keith Crain
.@CityofDetroit is redesigning Conner Ave & E Warren
on the Eastside & adding protected bike lanes.
Construction to start after E Jefferson is completed on July 4th
Screw Keith Crain - Detroit needs to diversify away from automobiles
and the military industrial complex of its past. We don't need Selfridge.
We need NEW STUFF to survive and should stop patting ourselves on the back
'diversify away from'Quote:
Originally Posted by O3H
that's an interesting turn of phrase.
so diversity here doesn't mean 'many different things', but 'less of what I don't like'.
ha.
Many journalists, media types, etc. have mentioned Diversity
--not just me.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/...t-most/517194/
It's not a matter of like or dislike, it's the reality of the times.
Nothing lasts forever, and Detroit is no longer a powerhouse.
Chinese joint ventures and leading manufacturers like Volkswagen were among the leading passenger car manufacturers in China. It is expected that automakers will undertake unprecedented investment programs to grow their businesses not only in China and India, but also in other emerging markets.
Well, you can read whatever strange significance you want into it, but "diversify away from" is a completely normal idiom. Look it up. If you put it into Google you get 35 million hits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch